Militia group heading to Texas border

[Tomdstone]

I think drone strikes on Mexican drug cartels would make alot more sense than going after people in Yeman, Afghanistan, etc.

Why not enforce the law and lock up those Americans who have used illegal drugs such as cocaine or heroine? After all, are not they the ones who are ultimately responsible for the drug cartels? There would not be any drug cartels in Mexico if Americans would stop buying these illegal substances.

 

[Church_Militant]

YEEEE-HAW!

And people out there think the country should be more

like Texas?Not me. Texas is all kinda messed up…and that’s not the fault of the immigrants.

Take away “Gun toting” and you have Obama.

Ishii

Yeah…right.That’s gross non sequitur…

And what are citizens to do when the authorities do not secure the border? What are their options at that point?

Ishii

Not allowing a bunch of belligerent pseudo militiamen to roam around threatening to shoot at people. What if one of these dorks shoots someone’s Texan kid because he’s out in the area?

Angry armed men pouring into the area from out of town.

The “cure” is far worse than the problem.

ICXC NIKA

Agreed!

Ahhhh yes, the crowd of soldier wannabees.

Awful big of them, pointing guns at poor people and screaming. I’m sure they get quite the rush from it.

Could be. Sad that the supposedly greatest nation on the planet has so little charity and compassion for its poor neighbors.

If the Federal Government refuses to do their job, then it is the duty of the citizens to do it for them. These aren’t “wannabees” - this is the militia explicitly referred to by the 2nd Amendment. Check 10 U.S. Code § 311 - These are able-bodied males at least 17 years of age, therefore part of the Militia of the United States. Such a thing isn’t unprecedented in Texas - today’s Texas Rangers started out the same way: Defending their home against a Mexican invasion.

The United States is our home. We have both the right and the duty to protect it. If someone wishes to immigrate here, we have legal means available, and they cost far less than what the coyotes charge to smuggle people in illegally.

US citizens are being threatened on their own land, and the government is only making the situation worse. What other choice do these people have?

Hogwash…the Rangers are a law enforcement agency. No so-called militia has that legal standing…not even remotely under the 2nd Amendment. There is no such invasion…that would require a military style incursion and no such thing is occurring here.

Self defense would involve home invasion and/or theft of goods…again by armed persons and this is not the case.

What you have here are very poor, desperate people seeking to find the same level of living wages that we enjoy and willing to bust their butts to earn it. Do we really feel justified and even proud that we now want to allow armed aggressors to confront them with weapons?

Let our country be invaded. So what!

It’s not being invaded. There are far worse threats that are far more likely to hit us than immigrant wannabees.

If these clowns want to “defend the country” let them take their guns over to Afghanistan or Iraq and go up against the guys who hate us and will happily shoot back. I don’t think they have the stones.

When the militia fought the British, they were breaking the law. When the French resistance fought the Germans they were breaking the law. The law can be a *** sometimes. And blindly following it can lead to certain doom.

That “militia” was the Continental Army opposing a foreign military, so your comparison fails there.

The French Resistance was fighting against a foreign army of occupation after their own military had been defeated. No such circumstance exists here by any stretch of the imagination, so again…your comparison fails.

The authentic militia in the U.S. is the National Guard. If Texans want them they can call their governor.

 

[Tomdstone]

What you have here are very poor, desperate people seeking to find the same level of living wages that we enjoy and willing to bust their butts to earn it. Do we really feel justified and even proud that we now want to allow armed aggressors to confront them with weapons?

The time is here to obey the commandment: “Love thy neighbor”.
Matthew 25:
" [34] Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. [35] For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:

[36] Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. [37] Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? [38] And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? [39] Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? [40] And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me."

 

[Path_Finder]

Things were relatively peaceful on the border but just like in Scarface, greed got hold of one of the major cartels and they invaded the area of another, this is what happened across from El Paso by the former public enemy number one of Chicago, Chapo Guzman.

So yes, American demand helps fuel the problem. Before the problem was in Colombia with Pablo Escobar. Ultimately, though, Colombia has what is called the 100 year war.

American demand is part of the problem but certainly not all of the problem.

A big part of the problem is age-old corruption of government in Mexico.

I’ve met persons from Mexico, they tell me candidly, that to do something like here in the USA, find a decent job, become upwardly mobile is often not that easy in Mexico. Still, saying that, the Mexican Middle Class has grown in recent decades.

 

[pnewton]

“Batches? We don’t need no stinkin’ batches”

“Due process? We don’t…”

You get the picture.

 

[Monkey1976]

Hogwash…the Rangers are a law enforcement agency. No so-called militia has that legal standing…not even remotely under the 2nd Amendment. There is no such invasion…that would require a military style incursion and no such thing is occurring here.

They’re a law enforcement agency today, but they started out just like these “belligerent pseudo militiamen” and “dorks” - ordinary citizens defending their homes against a foreign invasion as part of the Militia of the United States.

Self defense would involve home invasion and/or theft of goods…again by armed persons and this is not the case.

So you have no problem with someone coming onto your property and telling you to look the other way “or else”? How about your sister looking out her kitchen window late at night to see a stranger staring in at her?

What you have here are very poor, desperate people seeking to find the same level of living wages that we enjoy and willing to bust their butts to earn it. Do we really feel justified and even proud that we now want to allow armed aggressors to confront them with weapons?

Justified? Absolutely. Proud? Perhaps, but also ashamed at the failure of the government who has chosen to not just abdicate their duty, but to actively cause this crisis. There’s nothing stopping these people from entering the country through legal channels, so why is it so cruel to ask them to respect the laws of the country to which they’ve chosen to emigrate? Entering as illegal aliens doesn’t give them a “living wage” - it gives a labor force that can be had for pennies an hour because of their illegal status.

It’s not being invaded. There are far worse threats that are far more likely to hit us than immigrant wannabees.

And those threats are coming along with these individuals: Cartel members, gang members, a new tuberculosis epidemic… What’s happening now is right out of the La Raza/Reconquista playbook: Overwhelm the border with tens of thousands of people, preferably children to arouse sympathy. With Mexico creating a new class of visa specifically for Central Americans whose goal is to enter the United States illegally, this is nothing less than an invasion, aided and abetted by our own government.

 

[GEddie]

There’s nothing stopping these people from entering the country through legal channels, so why is it so cruel to ask them to respect the laws of the country to which they’ve chosen to emigrate?

Not cruel, but not knowing what they are talking about.

It is not that straightforward for Latin-Americans to obtain a US visa, and hasn’t been for decades.

With Mexico creating a new class of visa specifically for Central Americans whose goal is to enter the United States illegally

Source?

ICXC NIKA

 

[GEddie]

So you have no problem with someone coming onto your property and telling you to look the other way “or else”? How about your sister looking out her kitchen window late at night to see a stranger staring in at her?

I would rather see a child walking by, of whatever nationality, than a strange adult with a weapon staring me down.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Monkey1976]

Not cruel, but not knowing what they are talking about.

It is not that straightforward for Latin-Americans to obtain a US visa, and hasn’t been for decades.

Is the solution then to simply ignore the process and those who are going through it instead of trying to fix it?

Source?

ICXC NIKA

Source

 

[gamewell45]

Just what we need. Gun toting idiots taking the law into their own hands.
Professionalism and security? I think not.How’s that even legal? He has no legal standing to make or encourage others to make such a statement/threat from behind a gun.

If I was a local and they showed up at my property, I’d be telling them to be off before I called the real cops.

Agreed. Time for them to stop playing policeman and let those trained to handle these types of situations deal with it. They’ll probably end up getting arrested if they do kill/injure someone.

 

[pnewton]

Why not enforce the law and lock up those Americans who have used illegal drugs such as cocaine or heroine? After all, are not they the ones who are ultimately responsible for the drug cartels? There would not be any drug cartels in Mexico if Americans would stop buying these illegal substances.

That too is not without its drawbacks. We already are incarcerate more of our population than anyone else. The war on drugs has not been a benefit to this country. This says nothing of morality of long term incarceration for those addicted to drugs.

 

[mikekle]

I think drone strikes on Mexican drug cartels would make alot more sense than going after people in Yeman, Afghanistan, etc.

I think alot of people agree and it seems simple, take out the source and that will solve the entire problem, after all, I imagine with all the US intel, they have to know where the cartels are, where their factories are, etc. but they dont take any action…I think there is a reason for this, we also have to look at how strict they are at the border crossings with searching and spotting contraband, but the cartels still are managing to get enormous loads of product in every single day, almost every city in the US has a MAJOR heroin problem now…how is the cartels getting all this in to meet demands…I mean, this equates to 100s if not 1000s of semi trucks loaded full… every single day!!! WOW

There has to be some kind of cooperation imo. We all know it was proven the CIA was involved in the drug trade in the 70s, have to wonder if they arent now too. border agents like to claim they make alot of busts, but when you look at the state of the nations drug problem, with every city having SOOO much product at all times, they are getting enough in to meet the increasing demands, so that tells me something in itself!

 

[Path_Finder]

Possibly one hothead said something that appears inappropriate, it could have been out of context and I don’t always trust the press as well.

Still, the issue remains, not if these people want to defend the border, send them to Iraq and Afghanistan but rather the issue would be, if the US government does not defend our border, yes, citizens may well decide to defend it for themselves.

 

[HappyCatholic01]

gamewell45:

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Originally Posted by Church Militant

Just what we need. Gun toting idiots taking the law into their own hands.
Professionalism and security? I think not.How’s that even legal? He has no legal standing to make or encourage others to make such a statement/threat from behind a gun.

If I was a local and they showed up at my property, I’d be telling them to be off before I called the real cops.

Agreed. Time for them to stop playing policeman and let those trained to handle these types of situations deal with it. They’ll probably end up getting arrested if they do kill/injure someone.

The reason many of them are there is because there is clearly no one capable of dealing with it. The federal government has certainly shown that it is unwilling or unable to handle the situation, in the president has a track record of selectively doing what he chooses to do under the law. And since there been numerous occasions on this board when people defend the president for choosing when to obey the law and when not to like when they went after Arizona on the immigration issue 3 years ago, when Arizona chose to take the law into their hands because the federal government would not, it seems to me that the the general attitude is people can enforce or obey laws whenever they want.

This is what the last 6 years has brought this country to; how sad for a once proud nation.

I don’t blame the immigrants for fleeing here because their government has abandoned them. I get that. I also understand when people in this country do what they have to do to protect themselves or their country because the government has abandoned them. I see and sympathize with both groups.

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[Jeanne_S]

The reason many of them are there is because there is clearly no one capable of dealing with it. The federal government has certainly shown that it is unwilling or unable to handle the situation, in the president has a track record of selectively doing what he chooses to do under the law. And since there been numerous occasions on this board when people defend the president for choosing when to obey the law and when not to like when they went after Arizona on the immigration issue 3 years ago, when Arizona chose to take the law into their hands because the federal government would not, it seems to me that the the general attitude is people can enforce or obey laws whenever they want.

This is what the last 6 years has brought this country to; how sad for a once proud nation.

I don’t blame the immigrants for fleeing here because their government has abandoned them. I get that. I also understand when people in this country do what they have to do to protect themselves or their country because the government has abandoned them. I see and sympathize with both groups.

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Spot on!

 

[sallybutler]

The reason many of them are there is because there is clearly no one capable of dealing with it. The federal government has certainly shown that it is unwilling or unable to handle the situation, in the president has a track record of selectively doing what he chooses to do under the law. And since there been numerous occasions on this board when people defend the president for choosing when to obey the law and when not to like when they went after Arizona on the immigration issue 3 years ago, when Arizona chose to take the law into their hands because the federal government would not, it seems to me that the the general attitude is people can enforce or obey laws whenever they want.

This is what the last 6 years has brought this country to; how sad for a once proud nation.

I don’t blame the immigrants for fleeing here because their government has abandoned them. I get that. I also understand when people in this country do what they have to do to protect themselves or their country because the government has abandoned them. I see and sympathize with both groups.

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The Minuteman Project started patrolling the borders in April 2005.

 

[Tomdstone]

That too is not without its drawbacks. We already are incarcerate more of our population than anyone else. The war on drugs has not been a benefit to this country. This says nothing of morality of long term incarceration for those addicted to drugs.

If Americans are going to do nothing about the use and glorification of illegal drugs in the USA, then the drug cartels will continue to exist, and desperate people will continue to flee the violence, kidnappings and crime associated with the drug cartels catering to America’s addiction to cocaine and heroine.

 

[Hobbes42]

If Americans are going to do nothing about the use and glorification of illegal drugs in the USA, then the drug cartels will continue to exist, and desperate people will continue to flee the violence, kidnappings and crime associated with the drug cartels catering to America’s addiction to cocaine and heroine.

America is responsible for much of the corruption and death in many countries because of the firehose of drug money it provides to these countries. Violence will continue as long as America continues to fail to eliminate the supply of drugs. (Afghanistan, US forces refuse to destroy poppy fields.)

 

[mikekle]

Possibly one hothead said something that appears inappropriate, it could have been out of context and I don’t always trust the press as well.

Still, the issue remains, not if these people want to defend the border, send them to Iraq and Afghanistan but rather the issue would be, if the US government does not defend our border, yes, citizens may well decide to defend it for themselves.

Have to wonder why the national guard has not been dispatched yet, when they should have been long ago?

I have a sneaky feeling there is collusion between the major cartels and our Govt.

 

[mikekle]

America is responsible for much of the corruption and death in many countries because of the firehose of drug money it provides to these countries. Violence will continue as long as America continues to fail to eliminate the supply of drugs. (Afghanistan, US forces refuse to destroy poppy fields.)

Of course, they wont destroy those fields, they know how much money they are worth, but I guarantee, once the US forces find these fields, it will NOT be the Afghans reaping the profits from the end product! LOL

I have to wonder how the cartels keep managing to get MASSIVE amounts of Heroin and other drugs into the US on a daily basis? Our Govt says border crossings go to great lengths to find contraband, but every city in the US is starting to have problems with Heroin use, so this means, there is just a huge amount coming across consistently…how is this happening? To supply almost every city in the US on a daily/weekly basis, they need to be sending 100s if not 1000s of full semi truck loads, plus demand is always going up, with more and more people using, using more, so that is just more that needs to get thru.

More I think about it, I have to believe our Govt is involved somehow, maybe they guarantee the cartels so much will be allowed thru in return for safety of the border agents, or others?