Miracles of the Saints - Protestant reaction?

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happygal said:
Well miracle happened not only the the Catholic community but also to the protestant as well. As long as God is there his power will follows. That is why even God can give miracle to non believer when comes to healing, the lamb walk, the blind can see…So praise the Lord about that.
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This is a GREAT point, thank you for mentioning this - there was a post too not far back in response to me about some Protestants considering themselves catholic while not papists, and I did make mention in one of my earlier posts I believe that this wasn’t reallly a question posed to Protestants only (although after I typed the thread topic I couldn’t figure out if there was a way to go back and reword it, that was a fault on my part 🙂 , because I agree, these miracles are not solely Catholic or belong to us - if they are from God, they are for all Christians. My concern is more about how Christian groups outside of Catholicism (or Protestantism that still hold respect for the Saints for that matter) interpret these miracles, since the typical response from Fundamental groups for example seems to be, if it wasn’t from Jesus and documented in the Bible, than its not Christian and more along the lines of heresy. I’m sure the thoughts and opinions vary from Christian group to Christian group, and it was a thought that made me question the response.

So far I have enjoyed what I have read. Thanks again for this overlooked point!

Peace
 
Sabda said:
It’s very simple ALLFORHIM why you do not see this on the news. They, media, would not believe it. Also, keep in mind that this is something that the Church has known about for centuries. It’s not something new to the Church. Another thing to keep in mind it takes faith to believe. As we have already seen on this board there are some who do not believe. All the information in the world will not make them believe unless they have the faith to do so.
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In addition, remember there is no shortage of Catholic books out there about the Saints, or is there any kind of shortage about the miracles in their lives circulating around… Infact there is one partilcular book titled ‘Miracles of the Saints’ for example that documents scores of miracles throughout the centuries about some of the events in their lives…

Peace
 
Texan_in_DC said:
As a Former Protestant I was unaware of any Miracles of the Saints and any Miracles of the Eucharist actually turning into felsh and blood in a physical reality. When I 1st found out about these rare occurences in history of the Eucharsit I still questioned the truth of the story because I did not believe.
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I agree, as a non-Catholic in my ‘former life’, the miracles of the Saints was something unheard of to me… its not uncommon to hear a skeptic say something along the lines of ‘how come all the miracles done by God were centuries ago, and now today we never see any proof of God’s existence.’… and I could never figure out an answer to that question - it wasn’t until after I became Catholic and started digging into the lives of the Saints that I saw God was acting more recently, and even here and now in our times - and although they were Catholic, I do not believe these were strictly Catholic miracles, it just so happens that typically outside of Catholicism other Christian denominations seem afraid to touch anything even relatively Catholicized for fear that they might start to get too close to our beliefs or something - its very strange, its like a form of cenorship of God within Christianity. I may be wrong, others can feel free to comment on this idea, but thats a basic summary of how I have seen it…

Peace
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Hi,

I wonder why this mircle is not being shouted from the roof tops to the whole world. Wouldnt you think the CC would want everyone to know the truth. I had the opportunity to talk to 5 catholics after I read this today and not one of them has ever heard of this. I would think that if this was true(not convinced) at minimal all catholics would know.👍

I would especially think this wo:confused:uld be a great tool for teaching atheists about GOD. IMHO I think it may not be being shouted from the roof tops because the Vatican is not completely convinced–otherwise they should be telling the WORLD. With the communication network we have-- all you need is the WWW and ABC<CBS<NBC<CNN<FOXNEWS you get the point.😉
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Does the Catholic Church attempt to keep these many miracles a secret? No! Does she advertise the miracles? No. The faith is not based on miracles, no matter how prodigious they may seem. The information is available for all who are interested. There are books and magazine articles galore about all of these events. There were 70,000 witnesses to the miracle at Fatima.

I have two books about Eucharistic Miracles, one about the dead saints whose bodies have not deteriorated (The Incorruptibles), and another about many people who have had the stigmata (They Bore the Wounds of Christ).

The story of Saint Padre Pio and the stigmata was on 60 minutes. Was everybody who saw it converted? Hardly!

Christianity is more than the miracles. The miracles are kisses from God to reassure us and help us keep the Faith.
 
theguidedheart said:
In addition, remember there is no shortage of Catholic books out there about the Saints, or is there any kind of shortage about the miracles in their lives circulating around… Infact there is one partilcular book titled ‘Miracles of the Saints’ for example that documents scores of miracles throughout the centuries about some of the events in their lives…

Peace
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You are so correct about this.

The main problem is a shortage of interest.

Another contributing factor is a shortage of time.

I’ve had both.
 
theguidedheart said:
This is a GREAT point, thank you for mentioning this - there was a post too not far back in response to me about some Protestants considering themselves catholic while not papists, and I did make mention in one of my earlier posts I believe that this wasn’t reallly a question posed to Protestants only (although after I typed the thread topic I couldn’t figure out if there was a way to go back and reword it, that was a fault on my part 🙂 , because I agree, these miracles are not solely Catholic or belong to us - if they are from God, they are for all Christians. My concern is more about how Christian groups outside of Catholicism (or Protestantism that still hold respect for the Saints for that matter) interpret these miracles, since the typical response from Fundamental groups for example seems to be, if it wasn’t from Jesus and documented in the Bible, than its not Christian and more along the lines of heresy. I’m sure the thoughts and opinions vary from Christian group to Christian group, and it was a thought that made me question the response.

So far I have enjoyed what I have read. Thanks again for this overlooked point!

Peace
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Hi There

Not to worry i understand you say seeking understanding from some protestant 😃 😃 😃 , well i don’t speak for the rest of the protestant, however i do understand that there are too group of Christian. One is Abraham’s faith group of believers, the other are Thomas’s faith group of believers. So it is not too difficult to explain those who does not believe in Saint’s miracle/Eucharist’s miracle falls under the Thomas’s faith believers. It is not easy to convince some protestant about miracle happened outside their practise which goes same when we try to tell non believers about God’s miracle!!! However it all bolt down on individual whether they have an open heart to believe that God can perform miracle on anything and everybody!!
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Hi,
Yes I believe all that you say, but still why keep it under wraps for 8 centuries. They should not want to keep it a secret. They should let the world know and let people make up their own minds. It is suspicious when they do not want to share something with the world.:confused:
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This miracle occurred 13 centuries ago, and yet those Catholics have been hiding it for all this time,……unbelievable!!! Thank goodness that it is the only event they can talk about! Er ,….dosdog,…….you think there is a hearing problem?

And what about those other fake incorrupt bodies,……is this the only miracle? Did someone say Fatima? Of course the Muslims have many examples as does certain Evangelical groups.

As Alchemist relates,……this really is not human tissue, it is all made up! What would one expect from an Italian scientist?? It is a forgery, just like ALL the other made up events of certain holy people that some people want us to believe were really good and maybe our Lord is trying to tell us something connected with their life,……non sense!!

Allah continues to guide us through the Imans and hadiths produced for our benefit, ……….can someone help me here?

This thread is for Protestant’s reactions so back to the topic. Yet if there is ever a question on Transubstantiation, please explain this event to me. The best I have heard is that they froze a human heart, and since type AB blood is so common in the world and of course Italy, they merely sliced off a piece of tissue and got lucky.

Those Catholics will try anything!!
 
I have broached this subject with my protestant contemporaries.

They usually have one of two responses.
  1. They clam up and don’t want to discuss it.
  2. They say that all these miracles are acts of Satan and his angels to steer Catholics toward paganism and away from Christ.
 
Interestingly enough, read John 6:66

Do you think the number of the chapter and verse are merely coincidental?
 
az_4_faith said:
Interestingly enough, read John 6:66

Do you think the number of the chapter and verse are merely coincidental?
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Protestants would say so. Actually I used that myself on a couple of threads here. Nothing is coincidental with God!:amen: :gopray2: :amen:
 
Wildkit said:
This miracle occurred 13 centuries ago, and yet those Catholics have been hiding it for all this time,……unbelievable!!! Thank goodness that it is the only event they can talk about! Er ,….dosdog,…….you think there is a hearing problem?

And what about those other fake incorrupt bodies,……is this the only miracle? Did someone say Fatima? Of course the Muslims have many examples as does certain Evangelical groups.

As Alchemist relates,……this really is not human tissue, it is all made up! What would one expect from an Italian scientist?? It is a forgery, just like ALL the other made up events of certain holy people that some people want us to believe were really good and maybe our Lord is trying to tell us something connected with their life,……non sense!!

Allah continues to guide us through the Imans and hadiths produced for our benefit, ……….can someone help me here?

This thread is for Protestant’s reactions so back to the topic. Yet if there is ever a question on Transubstantiation, please explain this event to me. The best I have heard is that they froze a human heart, and since type AB blood is so common in the world and of course Italy, they merely sliced off a piece of tissue and got lucky.

Those Catholics will try anything!!
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Ummm…yeah, I am going to pretend you know why that is stupid and move on.

Have you ever heard of someone faking a miracle, and not being the one to benefit from it.

The priest at Orvieto was doubting, he did not believe, and then it changed. He was a visiting priest, having the miracle happen at Orvieto would do nothing for him.
The first questions for any conspiracy theory is who benefits, and is it plausible. In this case, it is that no one connected really benefitted, the Church at Orvieto was already famous for the relics housed there, they did not benefit. The priest was a visitor, who soon left again for his home parish, he did not benefit. So who benefits?

As far as the piece of a Human Heart, is it plausible to remove a heart, cut a perfect circle out of it, slight of hand it at the moment of concecration, and then keep it is a non-frozen container for hundreds of years.

Seems implausible to me

A lone Raven
 
jmcrae said:
It has the same blood type and DNA as the Shroud of Turin.

That’s good enough for me. 🙂
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And has DNA testing proved that either one has the DNA of Jesus Christ on them?

forever Baptist
allischalmere
 
allischalmers said:
And has DNA testing proved that either one has the DNA of Jesus Christ on them?

forever Baptist
allischalmere
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Where are we going to get the DNA from Christ from, remember, He rose.
We don’t have a body to compare it to.

A lone Raven
 
Wildkit said:
This thread is for Protestant’s reactions so back to the topic. Yet if there is ever a question on Transubstantiation, please explain this event to me. The best I have heard is that they froze a human heart, and since type AB blood is so common in the world and of course Italy, they merely sliced off a piece of tissue and got lucky.

Those Catholics will try anything!!
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Well you are certaintly entitled to your opinion, thats why I posted the thread, but I think the burden of proof would be on you to show that what you claim is true. I haven’t heard anything in the little bit of research I have done on the incident to suggest your theory - on the other hand multiple tests had been done on the flesh to determine if it was real - and so far the answer has been yes. So until proven otherwise, or unless you have a resource on the web that confirms it is not true, I think trying to pass over an opinion as truth may be an uphill battle for you.

Peace
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Hi,
Yes I believe all that you say, but still why keep it under wraps for 8 centuries. They should not want to keep it a secret. They should let the world know and let people make up their own minds. It is suspicious when they do not want to share something with the world.:confused:
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What are you talking about? It’s not a secret.

There have been books about this miracle, and pamphlets in every language on earth, and all kinds of stuff. It’s even a tourist destination with tour guides and everything.

What more are they supposed to do? If people don’t read the books and pamphlets, or don’t go on tours there, whose fault is that? We can’t bop people over the head and drag them there by the hair - can we?
 
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