Mister De says "Muslims worship who they believe is God, but is none other than the Devil himself."

[Steven_John]

May The One who is above all things seen and unseen,
The One who none can truly descried in words or actions so all understand,
The One that is the deep yearning in all creation calling return, bring peace to all who believe and submit unto That One.

The receiver of that peace will be the worthy of contribution to the bringing of understanding truth.

Hi, please don’t anyone get angered and contribute to this thread, I have asked Mister De to share His information / mis information so we can all benefit.

The quotation is from another thread the 99names of Allah / God.

The 99 names did not represent to me the devils attributes but were of My God and were very much to me the attributes of the image of a great Father. Given this I did not think it fair to use that thread to explore Mister De’s claim.

To get the ball rolling so to speak to follow is the invitation I have made to Mister De in a message.

RE: “I’m going to be blunt. I was saying that Muslims worship who they believe is God, but is none other than the Devil himself.”

Hi, I am not well educated, was raised in a Catholic family with an Uncle a Christian brother, and Aunty a Good Samaritan Nun. I consider myself to be blessed by God to be a part of the local parish, go to mass around 5 days per week.

I have in the past pondered if people of the Islamic religion were worshiping Satan but do not now and am keen to look into the source of your claim if you would like to share with me.

I am new to this forum thing so dont know how to do it propa and have started a topic thing for us to chat on so all can be blessed and benefit.

May you and yours follow the way of Jesus (PBWH) or any true Prophet (PBWTA) and be not led astray.

I who need no name for I will be who I will be, offer this opportunity so the truth will be seen by those guided to it, and they may see those guided away.

 

[Christy_Beth]

In my opinion, the Islamic faith is off center. The beievers think they are worshipping God, but not exactly. Many of them are devout believers. Then there are those who use it to support their agenda.

 

[dolphinlove]

Jesus himself said, there are no other prophets after John the baptist and also the devil can appear as an angel of light.
The ‘angel’ Mohammed saw could possibly be, well, you know who…

 

[TemplarKnight]

I have had many discussions with those that believe that Islam is a religion of satan under the guise of the messiah. The pro’s to this theory are very convincing. In satan’s quest to replace God, or be just like God, wouldn’t it make sense that he would create a religion that parallels Christianity, yet lacks the positive virtues such as peace, forgiveness, temperance, etc.?

 

[ProdigalSun]

Do they not worship the God of Abraham? Has not the Vatican agreed that they do. This religion may have been created by Evil men or Evil intentions but we know that God uses the Evil of men to accomplish good.

I would have to say they certainly believe in the same Father we do, but there worship and understanding is deficient.

Peace!

 

[wisdomseeker]

I would not say that they worship the devil though.
apparently they are sons of Abraham from the line of Ishmael the first son of Abraham. they do believe in the God of Heavens and Earth our God. somehow mohammad got in the way. just like J Smith of the mormons.

only God knows all things why this is happening. I just trust in Him. some day all will be clear to us.

we must pray ourselves that this wont happen to us, that our faith should remain true according to Our Lord’s way.

we need to be careful about this. remember what Jesus said to the pharisees when they said that Jesus was with the devil. Jesus said: "any sin would be forgiven, but sin against the HS would not. therefore we must watch when saying someone is with the devil.

 

[Nickkname]

(Bold = My emphasis)

Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126); But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. **In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.(128) Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.(19) Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is looked upon by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel.(20) She knows that it is given by Him who enlightens all men so that they may finally have life. But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator.(129) Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, “Preach the Gospel to every creature”,(130) the Church fosters the missions with care and attention.

• Dogmatic Constitution on the Church - Lumen Gentium, 16

Source: vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html

 

[inJESUS]

Muhammad, Bahaullah, Mirza Ahmad, Joseph Smith and the list goes on…do they confess to worship God? yes. Were the inspired by God? no. So yes they worship God but through the teachings of humans who were not sent by God. Who sent these people telling them they are prophets yet opposing all previous scriptures and contradicting each others is another topic…

 

[Sister_Amy]

dolphinlove–your post said that Jesus said there were no prophets after John the Baptist. I wonder then, why was John asked if he was (a) the Messiah, (b) Elijah, or (c) the prophet, and to all three the ansewr was no?

Clearly the Jews exepcted three things, Messiah, Elijah, and a prophet…

Here is a good question to all the people who say Muslims worship the devil…

Who are Muslims seeking refuge from, when they say “I seek refuge with God from Satan, the accursed?”

 

[Steven_John]

In my opinion, the Islamic faith is off center. The beievers think they are worshipping God, but not exactly. Many of them are devout believers. Then there are those who use it to support their agenda.

I Give thanks to God for your willingness to share your opinion. I am seeking source of Mister De belief.
May you and yours be blessed for your effort.

In my opinion some Catholics can be way of center some even say Mary (BBHN) pre existed God claiming she is His mother.

It took me lots of time and prayer to have understanding of the words they spoke and i still challenge them to be very careful of the words they use.
Most admit a Man told it to them in the very first instance.
(sorry I asked for source not opinion and now i am spouting my own)

 

[Steven_John]

Jesus himself said, there are no other prophets after John the baptist and also the devil can appear as an angel of light.
The ‘angel’ Mohammed saw could possibly be, well, you know who…

May God bless you and yours for pointing out one of the many possibilities. This has occurred to me in time past, but i am seeking the source of Mister Des claim

 

[Steven_John]

I have had many discussions with those that believe that Islam is a religion of satan under the guise of the messiah. The pro’s to this theory are very convincing. In satan’s quest to replace God, or be just like God, wouldn’t it make sense that he would create a religion that parallels Christianity, yet lacks the positive virtues such as peace, forgiveness, temperance, etc.?

I think I follow your post, because the Quran promotes positive virtues such as peace, forgiveness, temperance, etc you know it cant be of the Devil.
If I hear you right the you Brother are close to the kingdom of Heaven.
May God continue to bless you and yours and increase us in promoting such virtues.

 

[Steven_John]

Do they not worship the God of Abraham? Has not the Vatican agreed that they do. This religion may have been created by Evil men or Evil intentions but we know that God uses the Evil of men to accomplish good.

I would have to say they certainly believe in the same Father we do, but there worship and understanding is deficient.

Peace!

I give thanks for your post, the source of the Vatican is a bit difficult for me, in the past some real sad stuff has come from that. Suggesting the Devil can be in any religion.
What you have offered form them truly is to me of the truth.
I am not scholarly and guess the word (deficient) is in interpretation to me (different) and thats what i thought but when you worship with them dont you find it to be very much the same?

May God bless you and yours for generations to come for the time you have spent worshiping with them and sharing their understanding so you can contribute honestly to this thread.

 

[Steven_John]

I would not say that they worship the devil though.
apparently they are sons of Abraham from the line of Ishmael the first son of Abraham. they do believe in the God of Heavens and Earth our God. somehow mohammad got in the way. just like J Smith of the mormons.

only God knows all things why this is happening. I just trust in Him. some day all will be clear to us.

we must pray ourselves that this wont happen to us, that our faith should remain true according to Our Lord’s way.

we need to be careful about this. remember what Jesus said to the pharisees when they said that Jesus was with the devil. Jesus said: "any sin would be forgiven, but sin against the HS would not. therefore we must watch when saying someone is with the devil.

YI am a little confused what do i not want to happen to me? that i sell all I have and follow Jesus (PBWH) or that Mahomed (PBWH) suggests i worship God 5 times a day.

Your warning at the end shows wisdom may God bless and guide you always

 

[Steven_John]

Muhammad, Bahaullah, Mirza Ahmad, Joseph Smith and the list goes on…do they confess to worship God? yes. Were the inspired by God? no. So yes they worship God but through the teachings of humans who were not sent by God. Who sent these people telling them they are prophets yet opposing all previous scriptures and contradicting each others is another topic…

When you read the Quran you found it to be opposing the books God gave in the for time?

This is your source?

for what it is worth i reckon your trying to help me but i may not have started the thread clearly i should read what i wrote slowly and pray about it.

may God Bless you and yours for His goodness you share.

 

[Steven_John]

dolphinlove–your post said that Jesus said there were no prophets after John the Baptist. I wonder then, why was John asked if he was (a) the Messiah, (b) Elijah, or (c) the prophet, and to all three the ansewr was no?

Clearly the Jews exepcted three things, Messiah, Elijah, and a prophet…

Here is a good question to all the people who say Muslims worship the devil…

Who are Muslims seeking refuge from, when they say “I seek refuge with God from Satan, the accursed?”

Dear Sister I too ask God to give me refuge from the Satan.

may God forgive me for any time I have not for He is most merciful.

May He bless and guide you and yours as so He wills and you submit unto Him.

Worship only Allah and let no flesh or prophet (PBWTA) be your master.

 

[Steven_John]

(Bold = My emphasis)

Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126); But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. **In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.(128) Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.(19) Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is looked upon by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel.(20) She knows that it is given by Him who enlightens all men so that they may finally have life. But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator.(129) Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, “Preach the Gospel to every creature”,(130) the Church fosters the missions with care and attention.

• Dogmatic Constitution on the Church - Lumen Gentium, 16

Source: vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html

Your post is long and deep, not being well educated i would need to spend much time reading and praying about it.
From my first read it seams to me to refute Mister De s claim.

May God bless you effort your sincere effort in seeking source to the claim of Mister De.

 

[Steven_John]

Mister De,
many are posting and it would seem most don’t agree with your claim. Also only a few have more than opinion. Your source will be above such, for some Jews in Jesus (PBWH) time had only opinion may Allah forgive them that would not follow guidance if He so wills, I ask this in humility knowing all His judgments are just.

When you do post please help me further by sighting your original source and those you have gathered after your claim.

I have learned some form all the other posts please read the opening post with real care.

PS, it has nothing to do with your TV.

Love you all and may you be blessed

 

[ronyodish]

In my opinion some Catholics can be way of center some even say Mary (BBHN) pre existed God claiming she is His mother.

Steven John,

Catholics do not believe that Sayadatana Mariam al’Athra’ preexisted God.

The title Mother of God simply means that the Son of the Father, our God and our Savior, became Man at conception in her womb, and was born. It does not mean that she is the source of His Divinity.

You can ask me questions if it is unclear for you what I have just said.

Jesus loves you

Rony

 

[wisdomseeker]

YI am a little confused what do i not want to happen to me? that i sell all I have and follow Jesus (PBWH) or that Mahomed (PBWH) suggests i worship God 5 times a day.

Your warning at the end shows wisdom may God bless and guide you always

yes that is what i am say that we never loose our faith on our Lord and in His Body which is the Church instituted by Him like so many has done.

Peace be unto you.