Modesty in Sermons

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My three homeschooled daughters asked what was going on on CAF today. Just had a half hour talk with them about modesty, the sixth commandment, and the difference between hot and cute. All in all, a pretty good day!
 
I’m personally glad that my priests do not talk about it. There was a time when a visiting priest tried to, but it just sounded so bad that even the nun there pulled a disapproving face. Imo, I think it’s hard for most men (and even women sometimes) to talk about modesty, even seasoned speakers like Jason evert (no hate, he is good on chastity, but he could have done it better). They tend to place too much blame on women/phrase it wrongly or sugarcoat it to the point where it’s not even effective.

Priests in my parish are not really experienced with topics like this, they are good with sticking to the gospel. Which is why I’m cool with it.
 
M-Dent said:
I’ve heard homilies that have touched on modesty – not only in dress but also touching on tempering emotions and all being tied in with Humility.
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Yes, this is how I have heard it mentioned as well. Our pastor likes to give several examples when talking about a topic to show how it applies to more than one age group. He tries to explain how whatever he is talking about touches everyone, not just one group of people.
 
Our parish pastor has dress guidelines in the bulletin as a regular thing…modest sunday best is outlined.

In a society where pjs are widely accepted as outdoor clothes, this is necessary.
 
mommy_k said:
Our parish pastor has dress guidelines in the bulletin as a regular thing…modest sunday best is outlined.

In a society where pjs are widely accepted as outdoor clothes, this is necessary.
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And that is where people need to learn the difference between modesty and formality.

Modesty, as I have heard it described in the field of clothing, involves how much of one’s skin is covered. Since “PJs” cover the whole body, they are not a modesty issue.

If one believes that everybody should dress more **formally **in certain contexts, that is a. valid position to hold, but don’t confuse it with modesty.

ICXC NIKA
 
GEddie said:
And that is where people need to learn the difference between modesty and formality.

Modesty, as I have heard it described in the field of clothing, involves how much of one’s skin is covered. Since “PJs” cover the whole body, they are not a modesty issue.

If one believes that everybody should dress more **formally **in certain contexts, that is a. valid position to hold, but don’t confuse it with modesty.

ICXC NIKA
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I would agree that modesty and formality are somewhat different things. However, modesty is not directly related to skin covering, per se, but to HOW it is covered, or what is emphasized or not. One can have most skin covered, yet be immodest.

Blessings,
Stephie
 
StephieNorthCo said:
I would agree that modesty and formality are somewhat different things. However, modesty is not directly related to skin covering, per se, but to HOW it is covered, or what is emphasized or not. **One can have most skin covered, yet be immodest.
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Blessings,
Stephie
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Yes. See my post #8.
 
mommy_k said:
In a society where pjs are widely accepted as outdoor clothes, this is necessary.
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Sad, but true. Presumably anyone who doesn’t own any clothing better than their pjs has been invited to tell the pastor why they won’t be following the parish dress code.
 
GEddie said:
And that is where people need to learn the difference between modesty and formality.

Modesty, as I have heard it described in the field of clothing, involves how much of one’s skin is covered. Since “PJs” cover the whole body, they are not a modesty issue.

If one believes that everybody should dress more **formally **in certain contexts, that is a. valid position to hold, but don’t confuse it with modesty.

ICXC NIKA
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Well…sort of. To be modest is to avoid showing off. If there is an expected level of formality and someone in the group decides they are above such rules, that is not a humble attitude. Even if they choose to dress in a way that is less expensive than everyone else or even less of an offense against purity than someone else, their choice of clothing may still be a show of pride, not humility. That makes it immodest.

Poverty–can bear on things like our opinion, our “style,” anything that tends to affirm us as distinct from others, as superior to others is such as way that we take satisfaction in these peculiarities and treat them as “possessions.” “Poverty” should not make us peculiar. The eccentric man is not poor in spirit. –Thomas Merton, Thoughts in Solitude
 
Walking_Home said:
Looking kinda burka-ish. Might as well get a large cardboard box – cut a hole for the head – and for each arm - and have women wear that.
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Autres temps, autres moeurs, as the French say. 🙂

I’m not saying we necessarily have to go back to that, but the transition from that code to what is currently seen around the world - even in an Asian country like mine - is quite staggering. :eek:
 
RPRPsych said:
Tubby? I wasn’t aware that was such a shocker. Heaven knows I need to go on a diet. Anyway, my apologies. :o
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Just joking about your “I leave the adjectives to the wiser”, comment, God Bless, Memaw
 
Thinking about this it’s important to remember that churches are hospitals for sinners not museums of saints and I think its important that our churches are places where you can come as you are. Going to church in pajamas isn’t ideal but if a person was very depressed and struggling to get out of bed surely we would just be grateful they had made it to mass.
 
ConfusedLucy said:
Thinking about this it’s important to remember that churches are hospitals for sinners not museums of saints and I think its important that our churches are places where you can come as you are. Going to church in pajamas isn’t ideal but if a person was very depressed and struggling to get out of bed surely we would just be grateful they had made it to mass.
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Is there no line for you? Is there a scenario where you would say"no that is not ok"?
Is the Vatican out of line with its requirements?
Are other faiths?
 
We have the dress code in the bulletin during the summer, and the priest reiterates it occasionally, along with emphasizing that we are not to correct anyone on their choice of attire and let the priests handle it. The dress code is everything from shoulder to knee covered for both men and women. Our parish is very traditional so it’s not usually an issue. If someone wears a sleeveless top or something they are probably just new and unaware.
 
LisaB said:
We have the dress code in the bulletin during the summer, and the priest reiterates it occasionally, along with emphasizing that we are not to correct anyone on their choice of attire and let the priests handle it. The dress code is everything from shoulder to knee covered for both men and women. Our parish is very traditional so it’s not usually an issue. If someone wears a sleeveless top or something they are probably just new and unaware.
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That is awesome!
 
EasterJoy said:
The priests we have had as pastors do not touch telling their parishioners, male or female, how to dress.
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What is indecent differs from opinion to opinion. What one thinks is too indecent, another can think is perfectly fine. I’ve never thought overly on dress. In the winter, I’m wearing my skinnyjeans and ballet flats to church, and I always wear long minidress tops because I think it’s pretty and flattering. In summer, I wear dresses, no nylons, and I feel perfectly comfortable bare-legged. My dresses are a decent length, so I don’t see an issue. I know some are squeamish over a woman not wearing nylons, but if she has pretty legs and her skirts/ dresses are a decent length, what’s the difference?
 
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