Mohammad and Zainab

[swariffin]

Hi

Sure he could. The sameway a human must sometimes make mistakes, in my opinion. Did Jesus also make some mistakes? This is a litmus test.

I love Jesus

Thanks

Nope, no mistakes. You are welcome to show me a mistake made by Jesus. If you are sure based on perception, then you are biased. You must be sure by evidence not assumption.

If I lost my mobile while I was having lunch with you, does it mean that you stole my mobile? just because you are nearby?

 

[planten]

I may be sterotyping the Islam religion or maybe it is because I have been without a husband, since 1993, but truethfully if I spend too much time studying Islam, I come to the decision, it is a sensual religion.

**Then you need a guide, a teacher. And you cannot fathom the goodness of Islam (even though it is evident) just by reading something. Please read the Quran (Translations).

I am sorry to hear that you are without a husband for such a long time. That is not good. May i ask what happened (to your husband)? Are there any children?

Now I end with the following remark: Islam is all spiritual. It is only sensual in as much as the sense (feelings, controlled desires) are needed and useful. Otherwise Islam is only Spiritual. Islam is spiritul as well worldly. It does not ignore the permissible worldly matters. It is also non-political.

If any one is waiting for any bloody Mahdi then it is all wrong. There are muslims who have hadith on such subjects of lust and bloodshed. But that is not from the prophet Muhammad.**

 

[planten]

Nope, no mistakes. You are welcome to show me a mistake made by Jesus. If you are sure based on perception, then you are biased. You must be sure by evidence not assumption.

If I lost my mobile while I was having lunch with you, does it mean that you stole my mobile? just because you are nearby?

**You people say that Jesus was a perfect man and a Perfect God, both at the same time. I do not agree. I read that Jesus was hungry and went to a fig tree not knowing that there are no figs on that tree. Being a god, he did not know that there are no figs there and it was not the season for the figs.

The god did not know about the seasons. Jesus also cursed the poor fig tree. What for?

The most I can believe is that Jesus was a half man and half god. No more.**

 

[paarsurrey]

**You people say that Jesus was a perfect man and a Perfect God, both at the same time. I do not agree. I read that Jesus was hungry and went to a fig tree not knowing that there are no figs on that tree. Being a god, he did not know that there are no figs there and it was not the season for the figs.

The god did not know about the seasons. Jesus also cursed the poor fig tree. What for?

The most I can believe is that Jesus was a half man and half god. No more.**

Hi

I have to differ with you. Since Jesus made a mistake, as also recorded in the NTBible, so he merits to be a perfect man only, in my opinion.

Let Jesus remain a perfect man at least; and God he never was , in my opinion.

I love Jesus.

Thanks

 

[kellie]

Hi

Sure he could. The sameway a human must sometimes make mistakes, in my opinion. Did Jesus also make some mistakes? This is a litmus test.

I love Jesus

Thanks

paarsurrey, can you please quote a scholar or something official, that says “humans must make mistakes”

 

[Reuben_J]

The reason the Jews and christians attributed the bad things (sins) to the prophets was that they themselve wanted to do bad things. They needed an excuse for that so they invented lies against the wise men of God.

Yes there is a big difference in idealogoy. But the christians are biased. When they blame all prophets with something bad and consider all of them as sinful, they like to keep Jesus out of that group. Why?? That is not fair.

We Muslims are better. WE do not blame any prophet, including Jesus. We do not accuse any prophet and we do not accuse Jesus or his mother of anything bad. Every one can then understand who is on better footing.

I have also given you some ffod for thought. Think over it, please.

The answer I’ve given to Muslim Woman should address this post.

We do NOT follow the wrongs that prophets did. We learn from their mistakes. You are applying Muslims mentality when you said we wanted excuses to commit sins by following the wrongs that prophets did. No, we don’t necessarily follow everything they did. Only the good and the righteous ones we follow.

Muslims follow everything Mohammad did because you think Prophets could not do any wrong.

This thread has proved that Muslims moral sexuality derived from Mohammad’s own sexuality. Therefore you people can marry many wives, can marry children and have sex with them, can have concubines and marry your own daughter-in-laws because Mohammad did all these.

And I haven’t gone into murder and cruelty attributed to Mohammad, which you Muslims must follow as well.

 

[Reuben_J]

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Sorry, I missed out the post of Reuben. Muhammad had many wives. (Jesus did not have any wife.) Muhammad did not have any concubines and he forbade every to have any concubine. He went for marriage. (Jesus did not go for marriage. May be he did not like marriage. Quite impractical, un-natural way of life.)

Muhammad married a divorced lady who was previously the wife of his so called son (Zaid). That was very important lesson for the world to disprove all false doctrines of the christians.

1. No. 1 doctrine was that divorce is illegal. That was wrong belief. So Muhammd’s teaching allowed the divorce.
2. It proved that there is no supposed son such as adopted or begotten son. A son is only a real son. So the world get rid of the notion of adopted and begotten sons.
3. It proved that it okay to marry a divorced person. Theis thing was also troubling the whole world due to the Catholic teaching that no one should marry a divorced person. The Catholics considered that act as adultery. Which was wrong. So the act of Muhammad helped the world to go along on the right lines.

The Catholics also had to admit the divorce when the people revolted agianst their bad teachings.

Example is better than precept, and actions speak louder than words. The die has been cast. The Catholics can see now how many nations in the world accept divorce as an unavoidable act? See the things in the world practically in all countries.

Also see, if there is any adopted son officially admitted as a real son. Nowhere.

Also, see in the world, every one is marrying the divorced persons. So who is right? Muhammad or the church? Be real.

Well, what were the right hand possessions of Mohammad then, which he and Muslims could have sex with?

It does not matter who is right or wrong. I only highlight the difference in our morality and sexuality. I want this thread to be read and understood especially by women, and especially by Christian women so that if ever they want to marry Muslim men they would know what they go into. The fact is you can marry many wives, you can marry children and have sex with them, you can marry your daughter-in-laws and you can have sex with your right hand possessions.

We have testimonies from some of them here who had suffered under the hands of Muslim men. I have seen such cases myself and ministered to them. We cannot really blame the Muslim men because they are merely following Mohammad’s teachings and actions. If anybody is to be blame for their suffering, it must be Islam and Mohammad. But if they agree (which they don’t) that these teaching are good and righteous, then I don’t have much to say and you can sleep triumphantly tonite. But that’s only if … .

 

[swariffin]

**You people say that Jesus was a perfect man and a Perfect God, both at the same time. I do not agree. I read that Jesus was hungry and went to a fig tree not knowing that there are no figs on that tree. Being a god, he did not know that there are no figs there and it was not the season for the figs.

The god did not know about the seasons. Jesus also cursed the poor fig tree. What for?

The most I can believe is that Jesus was a half man and half god. No more.**

That is the teaching of Jesus, that a man may be so flowery said that he is coming from God, bringing the message of God, but out of him, none is useful. Finally, such man was punished. You are welcome not to believe, no compulsion.

 

[swariffin]

Hi

I have to differ with you. Since Jesus made a mistake, as also recorded in the NTBible, so he merits to be a perfect man only, in my opinion.

Let Jesus remain a perfect man at least; and God he never was , in my opinion.

I love Jesus.

Thanks

Since you claim that Jesus made a mistake and recorded in NTBible, please quote the NTBible verse to us. Don’t bother to quote 5 verses prior nor after, we can check them ourselves.

 

[Reuben_J]

**Then you need a guide, a teacher. And you cannot fathom the goodness of Islam (even though it is evident) just by reading something. Please read the Quran (Translations).

I am sorry to hear that you are without a husband for such a long time. That is not good. May i ask what happened (to your husband)? Are there any children?

Now I end with the following remark: Islam is all spiritual. It is only sensual in as much as the sense (feelings, controlled desires) are needed and useful. Otherwise Islam is only Spiritual. Islam is spiritul as well worldly. It does not ignore the permissible worldly matters. It is also non-political.

If any one is waiting for any bloody Mahdi then it is all wrong. There are muslims who have hadith on such subjects of lust and bloodshed. But that is not from the prophet Muhammad.**

She does not need Muslim guides. She had enough of Islam. And I take exception to this post because you are blind to her suffering and as if she was responsible for it somehow.

The statement that Islam is spiritual is half-truth and therefore it is a lie. And you are making poor apologetic. You should learn from Sister Amy, at least she is more poise in this and has better rationales even when I don’t agree with her. You know very well Islam is a way of life and Mohammad is the role model, that whatever he did can be done by all his followers. Of course there are exceptions like he alone could marry more than four wives, which shows the insincerity of his teachings.

 

[swariffin]

This thread has proved that Muslims moral sexuality derived from Mohammad’s own sexuality. Therefore you people can marry many wives, can marry children and have sex with them, can have concubines and marry your own daughter-in-laws because Mohammad did all these.

The only thing I am willing to learn from Muhammad is the Kamasutra a la Muhammad. No need for that many wives, just the techniques I am looking from him. I said this in another thread.

 

[Reuben_J]

**You people say that Jesus was a perfect man and a Perfect God, both at the same time. I do not agree. I read that Jesus was hungry and went to a fig tree not knowing that there are no figs on that tree. Being a god, he did not know that there are no figs there and it was not the season for the figs.

The god did not know about the seasons. Jesus also cursed the poor fig tree. What for?

The most I can believe is that Jesus was a half man and half god. No more.**

Maybe you need to know this (Christian Doctrine):

Jesus is true man except that he is without sin.

 

[Reuben_J]

The only thing I am willing to learn from Muhammad is the Kamasutra a la Muhammad. No need for that many wives, just the techniques I am looking from him. I said this in another thread.

But you better be careful, bro. Just don’t go into the part about little children. …

BTW as an aside:

Jesus called little children to him and he blessed them.

Mohammad called little children to him and he molested them.

 

[swariffin]

**Then you need a guide, a teacher. And you cannot fathom the goodness of Islam (even though it is evident) just by reading something. Please read the Quran (Translations).

I am sorry to hear that you are without a husband for such a long time. That is not good. May i ask what happened (to your husband)? Are there any children?

Now I end with the following remark: Islam is all spiritual. It is only sensual in as much as the sense (feelings, controlled desires) are needed and useful. Otherwise Islam is only Spiritual. Islam is spiritul as well worldly. It does not ignore the permissible worldly matters. It is also non-political.

If any one is waiting for any bloody Mahdi then it is all wrong. There are muslims who have hadith on such subjects of lust and bloodshed. But that is not from the prophet Muhammad.**

Indeed she needs a teacher. And, she has got one. The best teacher that money cannot and can never get. Wait for her. Later she will sing “I love Him, I love Him, and where He goes I’ll follow, I’ll follow”. She will live happily under the guidance of such wonderful teacher. Finally, that teacher will bring her to the Kingdom of God.

 

[swariffin]

But you better be careful, bro. Just don’t go into the part about little children. …

BTW as an aside:

Jesus called little children to him and he blessed them.

Mohammad called little children to him and he molested them.

Oh my God… You are right. I don’t want to know the techniques of Kamasutra applied to a child. Sorry, I forgot that one. If I got the book, surely I will tear away that chapter.

 

[meedo]

But you better be careful, bro. Just don’t go into the part about little children. …

BTW as an aside:

Jesus called little children to him and he blessed them.

Mohammad called little children to him and he molested them.

Your God called a young virgin to him and impregnated her. Not even make it ,look like she was raped or somthing , and risking that she can be stoned for adultry.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

…look like she was raped .

I know , it’s very hard to control temper after reading offensive posts of some Christians here. Still , it’s better if we don’t write like this . We must not compete with others in bad deeds .

 

[inJESUS]

Your God called a young virgin to him and impregnated her. Not even make it ,look like she was raped or somthing , and risking that she can be stoned for adultry.

the risk is in islam, where Mary is not mentioned to have been married but to be a pregnant woman who delivered a baby and endured Jewish attacks until the baby supposedly spoke in the cradle. In fact, Mary was married since the begining for a purpose and the virgin birth was for a purpose, unlike in Islam where it is a meaningless miracle done by either Allah, Gabriel, or Jesus Himself according to Islamic tradition. Virgin birth because it was the Incarnation of the Word, not because Gabriel breathed into Mary’s private parts because Allah felt like it.

I add that Mary was given the choice, she was visited by an angel, am not sure Aisha was asked her opinion about marrying a 53 year old man.

 

[jakasaki]

**Your God **called a young virgin to him and impregnated her. Not even make it ,look like she was raped or somthing , and risking that she can be stoned for adultry.

meedo;4774555]Your God<-------

You all have been telling us that God is allah, allah is God…

What do you mean “your God”??

 

[planten]

the risk is in islam, where Mary is not mentioned to have been married but to be a pregnant woman who delivered a baby and endured Jewish attacks until the baby supposedly spoke in the cradle. In fact, Mary was married since the begining for a purpose and the virgin birth was for a purpose, unlike in Islam where it is a meaningless miracle done by either Allah, Gabriel, or Jesus Himself according to Islamic tradition. Virgin birth because it was the Incarnation of the Word, not because Gabriel breathed into Mary’s private parts because Allah felt like it.

** Reuben and swariffin have started the bad words about our prophet Muhammad. That was a silly thing to do. Allah did not breath into the private parts of Mary. You want every one to believe the unbelievable things:

In fact, Mary was married since the begining for a purpose and the virgin birth was for a purpose,**

but yourself are not ready to believe any decent logical rational thing. How come Mary was married since the beginning when she did not exist? I feel that you people are just joking. You have no religion. You are broken down…

If this is christianity then it is nothing. It appears that you have admitted defeat that is why you are all bent upon foul language. Of course there could be retaliation, in kind…