Moral issue of going to a VERY wiccan house and a VERY wiccan "family" friend

[Sailor_Kenshin]

in regards to pilates, from the research ive done to get a straight answer as to if its dangerous like yoga, the gist that i’ve gotten is that because it has elements from the same origins as yoga (hinduism, etc) and other areas to be avoided (i.e. eastern influences)

Hinduism??? It was invented by some Swiss guy. Although the ‘hundreds’ are pretty satanic.

 

[RainbowGirl82]

Why not just visit and be friendly with her? I mean, what is it going to hurt? Just because she has a belief in witchcraft does not mean that she is evil or even that her house is evil. Also, it’s not like she’s going to cast a curse on you. Wiccans are pretty much prohibited from doing that by the Wiccan Rede which states “And it harm no one, do what you will.”

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Why not just visit and be friendly with her? I mean, what is it going to hurt? Just because she has a belief in witchcraft does not mean that she is evil or even that her house is evil. Also, it’s not like she’s going to cast a curse on you. Wiccans are pretty much prohibited from doing that by the Wiccan Rede which states “And it harm no one, do what you will.”

Yeah, that’s their PR. In practice this is not always so. And if I’m not mistaken the OP felt uncomfortable in that atmosphere.

I’m not saying to shun this person. Maybe meeting on neutral ground like a coffee shop would be the answer; we are after all to be light and salt to this world.

 

[medallionsnijme]

Hinduism??? It was invented by some Swiss guy. Although the ‘hundreds’ are pretty satanic.

lol yes, they are quite cruel! yes, he was european, but what im saying is that he took his ideas from other places. he studied other cultures. thats how pilates came about. i KNOW hes not hindu lol joseph pilates doesnt sound like a very indian name anyways.

 

[medallionsnijme]

Why not just visit and be friendly with her? I mean, what is it going to hurt? Just because she has a belief in witchcraft does not mean that she is evil or even that her house is evil. Also, it’s not like she’s going to cast a curse on you. Wiccans are pretty much prohibited from doing that by the Wiccan Rede which states “And it harm no one, do what you will.”

…have you read any of the other previous posts?? i think youd find your answer there…it basically boils down to this:

1. we, as Catholic Christians, are to have nothing to do with witchcraft/ occult anything. it goes against God’s commandments and our faith.
2. its dangerous even if it has a facade of being ‘innocent’ and ‘good’ - thats a lie and deception very common with occult stuff.
3. there is no knowing what is being meddled with, hence, more untold danger (or potential danger. nothing happens without God’s will.). there could be issues within her house because of her activity, of which id rather stay away from.
4. i never said she was an evil person or that she intentionally does things to be evil, however, what she does IS evil in actuality, even if she is ignorant of it being evil and means to do good. its rather a misguided and ignorant perception of what is truly good (God, specifically Jesus, Who is the Truth). As a human being and as a very lost (and in a way searching, i reckon) and broken person at that, i DO love her and have compassion for her and want whats best and most healthy for her spiritually and in all good things. this leads to #5 being:
5. the best way to deal with the situation is to pray for her and let Christ use me as He will in the given circumstances.

make sense?

 

[essempiem]

What I read in these posts saddens me. The Catholics I surrounded myself with as a child taught me to love EVERYONE, and to pray for those who we considered had strayed off the path of good. They did not teach me to fear them and stay away from them. If someone truly was evil, wouldn’t it serve their wishes for us to leave them, rather than stay near them and offer, even in silence, a healthy spiritual alternative?

 

[Musician]

“Flee from evil”…you know what it means when there is a still, small voice in you that rejects being near something unclean. This woman needs our prayers, surely, and you should pray for her, but you should not subject yourself to her house’s demonic influences. My sister, who is a Christian convert from Wicca, would be the first to tell you to RUN! But do continue to pray for her and even be her friend…just not in her house. And if her friendship makes you uncomfortable, flee from it as well. The Bible also tells us not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers.
Take no chances with your soul!

 

[Mike_Dye]

Hi guys! firstly, im new to the website, i absolutely LOVE IT! that being short and sweet, im hoping for some advice on a particular dilemma from my fellow Catholic brothers and sisters…
so, my husband’s best friends mother (who is the “family” friend) is VERY wiccan. shes now about 50 yrs old and has been a witch for i would guess a good 90% of her life. now, i have mixed feelings about this because as a person i love her and respect her, however(!) there are times when i cannot go to her house. its like i feel this incredible urge to jump up and RUN out of the house because it gives me a weird “i-need-to-leave” feeling. besides that, i’ve had some weird experiences in my own past that to this day freak me out: i.e. when i was converting back to Catholicism from being (or trying to be) muslim, i was extremely distraught (understatement!!) and it felt like a true fight for my soul between heaven and hell, tracing the edge of the precipice of despair, and *in my minds eye *i saw all these demons swirling and writhing around me trying to keep me from going back to the Truth and then Our Lady stood above them all and was reaching out Her hand to lift me out. (really, i am not crazy!) i prayed the whole Rosary 4 times that night and finally fell asleep in peace. (and this is connected to what i was originally posting lol i promise!) so anyways, obviously im VERY Catholic now lol and havent had any such experiences since then, however, i have seen in this woman’s eyes something strange, that reminds me of those demons i saw. she sometimes goes into “witch-mode” for lack of a better explanation, its almost like a weird momentary trance, and i remember vividly that when she looked at me in the midst of this strange moment that it wasnt her, it didnt seem human. it was EXTREMELY freaky. like there wasnt the glow a person should have in her eyes or the sparkle that she gets when shes happy. theres a few times ive seen her in this mode, the first being the first time i met her, about a month after my husband and i got married and we were home for the holidays. we thought i was pregnant and so when she offered us wine i politely declined. my husband went into the kitchen to talk with her (he told me this part later) and she said, shes pregnant isnt she? he said we werent sure. so i was heading into the kitchen, she met me on the way, put her hand on my stomach and gave me this horrible intense look (kinda like the one i mentioned above, only this gave me shivers up my spine!) and said, “you are. its a boy.”. FREAKY. she was SOOOOO convinced that she was right. she said you dont need to go to the store to get a test. my hubbie was right there agreeing with what she was saying (mind you, she has this weird way with her “sons” (being her actual biological sons and her “adopted” sons who are her biological sons friends if you get what i mean) and theyd wait on her hand and foot if she asked them to, more so than their OWN biological parents… ) we did end up getting a test and i wasnt pregnant (haha). she also gave us a basket of “gathered things” thats not just an ordinary basket which also had a satchel of wiccan protective stuff that my husband brought with him to iraq (we were just friends back then) and i was extremely uneasy with it being in my (VERY) Catholic house. luckily, i found a Catholic way to destroy occult items and i did it when my husband was away on military training (i know it was sneaky, but i put the basket in the rubbish and he took it out and i put it back and he didnt say anything, so better forgotten (and nonexistant), right?). she also told me that i am “under the protection” now because i am part of the family. i was smiling with one of those moments inside saying i dont need YOUR “protection” because i have Jesus and Mary! i never go to her house without my Rosary or blessing myself with holy water. now i pray for Christ to destroy anything that is evil and occult that has been placed upon my husband, me, us, our families and friends. im more at peace when i dont have to be there…

my question to all of you is, what do i do? visit? dont visit? what is the RIGHT thing to do?? the Christian thing to do?
thanks for your help and i hope i made enough sense!
Love and peace in Christ!
becks

Avoid that place period. And forbid your husband to go. I am old school and believe that the husband has the final say but am not so old school as to not be receptive to my wife when she is completely morally against something. If you felt the evil there it was probably really there.

 

[Matrix_Refugee]

I have a number of friends who happen to be Wiccan/Pagan, and I find their religion to be very beautiful and reverential toward nature and creation, something which we Christians seem to have sadly lost sight of. Granted, it’s a case of putting the creatures toward the creator, but I sometimes get this maddening vibe that Christians are so hyper-focused on the here-after that they forget to value the here, which is right in front of us.

And here’s a case I call a living modern version of the parable of the Good Samaritan: I suffer from occasional bouts of suicidal thoughts. One time, when I was really spinning out, I was trying to talk to some Catholic friends about what was bothering me; said Catholic friends minimized what I was dealing with, “Oh, it’s not that bad, is it?” etc. However, my Pagan friends were much more responsive: one of them just listened with concern to me till I managed to talk myself through this bad moment, and another offered to cast a protective spell to ward off whatever negativity was plaguing me. I felt funny about the offer, so I thanked her for the kind offer and told her to just keep me in her thoughts.

 

[Matrix_Refugee]

Okay, let me get this straight. You are saying that the Roman Catholic Church says that astrology (which is fortune telling) is alright? You are saying that the people who came to adore Jesus as a baby…who were NOT Hebrews and had no recourse to the Law…are what you are using as an example of what is alright for us to follow, and that the Church stands behind this?

I am not accusing, just asking for clarification.

I’m minded of something which Flannery O’Connor once wrote: “God often draws people to Him through means that the Church does not approve of.”

 

[Matrix_Refugee]

“God forbids us to fool with in anyway witchcraft, sorcery, divination, astrology. He doesn’t give exeptions…He has no need. Prayer is more than enough. Whatever we cannot attain through prayers to Heaven, we are forbidden.”

Where does he do this? Where the OT says “suffer not a witch to live?”

If I remember correctly from something that a priest said, the word for “witch” in the Septuagint actually equates to “poisoner” or “a practitioner of black magic”; the “witch” translation wasn’t introduced until around the 1500s, when a lot of the witch hunts began, and ironically, about the time that the movable type printing press was invented in Germany.

 

[essempiem]

Avoid that place period. And forbid your husband to go. I am old school and believe that the husband has the final say but am not so old school as to not be receptive to my wife when she is completely morally against something. If you felt the evil there it was probably really there.

 Would you listen to yourself? Have you seen the bracelets and bumper stickers, etc... which feature the initials WWJD? Granted a marketing technique which has been exploited by shop owners to simply make money rather than spread the word, but the message remains true. If you are not familiar with these initials, they stand for: What Would Jesus Do? So let me ask you this; would Jesus forbid someone from acting on their will? What about God? Would God forbid it? Are you asking this person to put themselves above the Almighty? 
 My wife has free will because God has given that to her. If she chooses to do anything that I disagree with, I offer my advice and guidance, but it is NOT within my right to take that free will away from her which God has given.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

“Flee from evil”…you know what it means when there is a still, small voice in you that rejects being near something unclean. This woman needs our prayers, surely, and you should pray for her, but you should not subject yourself to her house’s demonic influences. My sister, who is a Christian convert from Wicca, would be the first to tell you to RUN! But do continue to pray for her and even be her friend…just not in her house. And if her friendship makes you uncomfortable, flee from it as well. The Bible also tells us not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers.
Take no chances with your soul!

Amen! Prayers work at any distance.

Some of you also need to remember also that we are called upon to rebuke sinners, not to help them embrace their sin. There is no wiggle room here. Even Christ commanded the adulterous woman to go and ‘sin no more.’

 

[AcademyGirl]

My short answer: run, don’t walk to your nearest Adoration Chapel. Get cleaned off. Have a talk with The Blessed Mother, St. Michael, and St. Benedict. Don’t go back. Ever. Refer this woman to them in your prayers, but steer clear.

Do some reading on the revival of wicca by Gerald Gardner, publisher of ‘witchcraft today’ [1954]. Check out some of his associates to get an appreciation of how dark this stuff truly is. The reverence for nature [reverence actually due, in fact, to its Creator] is sugar-coated bait for those who wander spiritually.

 

[AndyF]

medallionsnijme:

I have two questions to such similar scenerios where we are drawn to improper occasions: 1/Foremost, is there children involved? 2/ what is the state of the Faith of those faced with such occasions?

For the former, this is why children need to be taught the Catholic faith early so that when faced with potentially influential situations such has these the Holy Spirit will inspire and guard them to remain skeptics. They will learn to draw on the teaching of the Church of what is permissible, and they will know to identify situations that are not normal, not necessarily understandable, but to know there is something wrong. They will have been armed with the graces received on Sunday at mass, and have cultivated a comfortable relation with God to the point He is personal to them. The guardian angel of such children find their strength through such friendships.

A young man I know found it amusing that his young daughter of 7-8 has a friend who lives in a same sex household. She plays there often and is now coming home with ideas on how she can’t wait to have a girlfriend too to love and marry. The girl of course unconsciously watches for signs of disapproval from her father, and finding none because of his amusement will have an influence on how she will reject or accept such behavior later in maturity. The message she receives is that it is trivial. What is occurring in the same sex household is compounding of sin in that the child has probably been totally indoctrinated into accepting the norm of her situation. Now this child compounds to her friends and so it goes. The tears will come later in life.

For the latter, people who are faced with such situations has you present should be able to understand the situation has to what they are and how much it can influence their lives. None of it should be allowed to rub off on them. They should be able to formulate a detached opinion of the situation based on God’s laws and depending on how firm and mature they are in their Faith, should have no trouble fending off influence. This is why the concern is for children who should be kept away from these situations.

Remember also that satan sometimes will not disturb those who have allied themselves with him, prefering they live a comfortable life in deceptive peace, deciding to wait until the day he claims them as his own. You have noted a certain “something” about the place which could be an aura of negativity that you are sensing, and no wonder. Usually the deceived have no indication of this.

Scripture teaches us to avoid such people if possible and formulate friendships with virtuous people.

Your scene is typical of this Godless age, where nothing is sacred and few wish to return to the Mother Church. It will get worse and this is only the beginning of a rough ride for humanity because it chooses to go it alone.

Andy

 

[prettylarge]

You know those evil eyes she has given you? That is probably all in your head.

 

[karoleck]

From my own personal experiences with these evil forces,is to run the other way as fast as you can!I know that even though I have all the spiritual helps that the Catholic Church has at my disposal,an encounter with the "evil one"in all the many forms and manifestations is always risky.We are dealing with the devil who is far superior in intelligence and guile than we could ever be and knows our weaknesses! I know that Jesus gives us all the strength that we need and is with us whenever we call to him;also we have Our Lady,The Immaculate Conception who crushes his head,the archangels,Angels and the saints;the sacramentals such as holy water,miraculeous medal,the brown and green scapular,St.Benedict medal and the great strenghts of The Rosary.If you feel an evil or encounter a situation where clearly a delibrate evil lifestyle exists, unless you have a very good reason to be there,then stay away as if they had the plague!!I know St.Mary John Vianney called satan "the rake"as a rake sort of scrapes and disturbs everything,remember that even with all his holiness he was not able to stop satan bashing him up at night!! Remember that we are not as holy as he is,though a few reading this maybe!Presumption is a sin against pride and as the saying goes “pride goes before a fall”
P.S.believe it or not as I started this post a few times there was a banging sound outside my room in the dark and a sort of slight fear came over me.
St.Michael The Archangel,defend us—.Amen

 

[kenofken]

As a man who is “VERY” wiccan myself, I have to say I’m somewhat dissapointed by the caliber of today’s Christian. You’ve grown soft since co-opting the Roman emperors and western civilization. Back in the day, Christians were called to live among the worst sorts of sinners and associate with them on a daily basis. They faced down the very real possiblity of torture and execution for their beliefs. Now you run in terror from an eccentric grandma! I will grant you that many Wiccans have an appalling sense of decor, too many books and a sitting room that smells vaguely of cat urine and Nag Champa incense, but that hardly constitutes a threat to your soul! None of us wants your soul, and we don’t work for anybody who does, either. If Christ’s sacrifice purchased even half of what you say it did, satan wouldn’t have the power to ensnare you through legions of middle-aged women. You’d have to reach out to him. I leave you with a bit of free metaphysical advice: though we do not believe in satan as an entity, we do know that feeding fear and deference and awe to any such “thought form” feeds enormous power to it and “entrains” it’s existence with your own. If you don’t want these “demons” in your life, stop feeding them and calling them to yourself.

 

[karoleck]

Posted by: kenofken
On: Jan 14, '10 6:46 pm

“As a man who is “VERY” wiccan myself, I have to say I’m somewhat dissapointed by the caliber of today’s Christian. You’ve grown soft since co-opting the Roman emperors and western civilization. Back in the day, Christians were called to live among the worst sorts of sinners and associate with them on a daily basis. They faced down the very real possiblity of torture and execution for their beliefs”
Thank you for your posting you almost remind me something from The Screwtape advise which satan gives to his new “apprentice”!!! You are wrong in your facts but also right in your observations especially as regarding the western world.Where you are wrong is that there have been millions of people this centuary who have died or being persecuted because they follow Jesus,who is the Saviour of The World.Catholic Bishops and Priests and religeous are being put in prison in China;as are catholics and christians in general.In a lot of militant Mulsim nations they are being killed say in Dafore,Sudan,Lebanon etc.Go to any western city especially in the slums you will see Mother Theresa of Culcutta Missionary Sisters living in and with the poor.There are many protesting outside Abortion Killing factories praying and witnessing for life.But thank you for reminding a lot of us to stop living tepid spiritual lives,our Lord Jesus warns us about neither being hot nor cold-so I will try to become holy,which is what being a follower of Jesus demand!! I remember my dad asking a polish priest who was in prison by the Nazi soldiers and was tortured often,in fact he sould not use his thumbs as he was hung from them!! Anyway dad said "what was easier living in the prison or now! He said in a way then as it kept him fervent,prayer filled because he could be killid any moment!! So in a sense the challenge for Christians is to rise from our stupor,perhaps that is why God allows sufferings such as Haiti to remind us how transient life can be.This also applies to you who describes your self as “very wican”,you may not believe in the devil or satan but if you do not repent and believe in the Gospel before you die,you will certainly believe it after you die!! But then it will be too late? St.Michael the ArchAngel defend us on the hour of battle,be our safeguard against the malice and snare of the devil,who roamd through out the world,seeking to the ruin of souls.Amen.My Jesus have mercy on me,a sinner.My guardian Angel,pray for me.O Mary,conceived without original sin,pray for us who have recourse to thee and for those who do not,the churchless millions and “kenoflex”

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

As a man who is “VERY” wiccan myself, I have to say I’m somewhat dissapointed by the caliber of today’s Christian. You’ve grown soft since co-opting the Roman emperors and western civilization. Back in the day, Christians were called to live among the worst sorts of sinners and associate with them on a daily basis. They faced down the very real possiblity of torture and execution for their beliefs. Now you run in terror from an eccentric grandma! I will grant you that many Wiccans have an appalling sense of decor, too many books and a sitting room that smells vaguely of cat urine and Nag Champa incense, but that hardly constitutes a threat to your soul! None of us wants your soul, and we don’t work for anybody who does, either. If Christ’s sacrifice purchased even half of what you say it did, satan wouldn’t have the power to ensnare you through legions of middle-aged women. You’d have to reach out to him. I leave you with a bit of free metaphysical advice: though we do not believe in satan as an entity, we do know that feeding fear and deference and awe to any such “thought form” feeds enormous power to it and “entrains” it’s existence with your own. If you don’t want these “demons” in your life, stop feeding them and calling them to yourself.

An ancient thread rises from the dead. Why?

Although I must say that your PR firm is almost as good as the current president’s.