Moratorium on discussions about same-sex marriage yes or no?

[Exalt]

No more excuses or exceptions. Catholics have got to realize that some people here are not telling the truth. Period. They want free advertising for gay sex and will say anything to keep it. They might even call themselves Catholics. There are people who are paid money to post messages on internet forums like this one. They pretend to be an average person. In fact, they are called astroturf - fake grass roots.

Church teaching on this topic is well known and should be provided here but that’s it.

Peace,
Ed

So, in your opinion, people can post on this board, and they can share their experiences, and put up arguments - but only if it’s in service of the Church’s message, right?

Also, I challenge you to come up with one shred of the tiniest bit of evidence that liberal agents are paid to post on these forums.

 

[Exalt]

In response to: Speaking as a gay person, it’s quite clear that conservative Christians talk way more about gay sex than actual out-of-the-closet, comfortable gay people. There’s waaaaaay more to gay relationships than sex.

That’s not true. I’ve been to gay web sites. I’ve seen the ads.

Peace,
Ed

Really? That’s your scientific analysis? You went to a few gay sites once and they had dirty advertisements? And because of that, you now believe that all gay people are obsessed with sex?

I mean, I understand where you’re coming from. I know that this is the way you were taught, and I know you believe your eternal life rests partly on how you answer the question of homosexuality. But still, you have to admit that your methods for judging gay people are slightly ridiculous.

I mean, if you *really *want to gauge what *real *gay people are like, why don’t you just ask me? I’m *really *gay, in the real world. I go on dates. I even got sent a membership card to the Gay Agenda (just kidding). Send me a private message if you *actually *want to get to know a real live gay person.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Exalt,
I pray for you.

 

[sauce]

There should be a moratorium on the “discussions.” Because they don’t really seem to be “discussions.” Mostly, they are expressions of anger. Why would anyone want to post one thing right after the other, which adds up to a nondiscussion? Isn’t it more like spewing?

If people want to redefine marriage to encompass many other things, then it probably should be called something else. In any case, it “ain’t” matrimony.

 

[Exalt]

Exalt,
I pray for you.

Thanks!

And I hold positive thoughts for you. (Though I don’t really think they will magically make your life better, it is nice to know someone else is wishing well of you!)

Back to the discussion at hand…

There should be a moratorium on the “discussions.” Because they don’t really seem to be “discussions.” Mostly, they are expressions of anger. Why would anyone want to post one thing right after the other, which adds up to a nondiscussion? Isn’t it more like spewing?

If people want to redefine marriage to encompass many other things, then it probably should be called something else. In any case, it “ain’t” matrimony.

Well, in regards to the expressions of anger, it’s easy to understand how that happens. I mean, these are extremely important issues for a lot of people. These are people’s livelihoods. You’re talking about people’s family and their well-being, and the well being of their spouse and children. That, combined with people accusing others of being paid liberal agents, being accused of unchecked homosexual promiscuity, and being accused of “wearing my sexuality on my sleeve” (when all I did was mention I was gay *in a thread about gay marriage *for Pete’s sake), sometimes tempers can flare a little.

But, sometimes that can be a good thing.

 

[jean8]

Maybe the activity is an abomination but the orientation is not.

Orientation? Are you blaming God for your choice of Orientation?
All christians should know what God has said in his word about sin. Any sin. he said , repent, and sin no more.

This passage will give you something to think about. I think on it very often.
Heb.10:26-27 “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27. but only a fearful expectation of judgement and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God”

What do you think?
jean

 

[JuneBug72]

Orientation? Are you blaming God for your choice of Orientation?
All christians should know what God has said in his word about sin. Any sin. he said , repent, and sin no more.

This passage will give you something to think about. I think on it very often.
Heb.10:26-27 “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27. but only a fearful expectation of judgement and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God”

What do you think?
jean

I think Jesus Christ presents the best Christian response

Matthew 7

**3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite,** first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.****

Why don’t we take care of our own sins first before pointing at others. Doing this is much more difficult and a full time job in and of itself.

 

[sauce]

Jean8,

Heavy.

The bible also tells us to work out our salvation in fear and trembling. It’s a day to day thing. We need to be aware.

Anyone seen “The Exorcism of Emily Rose”? It’s a great film. It addresses the reality of evil and how people have grown complacent as to how to be on guard for the salvation of our souls.

Are there any genuinely happy people? Or does our interior baggage weigh us down?
We all need healing. In fact, it’s a real job opening ourselves up to it. Jesus is the healer.
By His stripes we are healed. Yet, we stumble in our reality. We need understanding.

 

[ladybri77]

There’s waaaaaay more to gay relationships than sex.

And it’s still wrong!

 

[aspawloski4th]

No there shouldn’t be. For the simple reason that I don’t think there should any moratoriam on discussing anything. Those who believe in thi9ngs like that are intellectual whimps.

 

[Elizabeth502]

No there shouldn’t be. For the simple reason that I don’t think there should any moratoriam on discussing anything. Those who believe in thi9ngs like that are intellectual whimps.

Believe in things like what? Lack of redundancy? Refraining from propaganda? Fatigue from fielding the same old attempts at reconstructing society in the image of a minority of people? Guarding against the clever manipulation of language to suit their ends? As a vigorous defender of the rights of children to have parents of actually different genders, the last thing I can be called is an intellectual wimp (no “h”).

Proponents of gay “marriage” do not share the same premises or are operating from the same language definitions as their opponents do. That’s why the arguments are endless and fruitless. Personally, I strongly believe that there are at least 2 other broad issues (maybe 3) that should also be banned from discussion, because similarly proponents and opponents do not share an intellectual foundation, but they are popular topics for flaming and condemning, so I doubt they will ever be banned.

 

[aspawloski4th]

Believe in things like what? Lack of redundancy? Refraining from propaganda? Fatigue from fielding the same old attempts at reconstructing society in the image of a minority of people? Guarding against the clever manipulation of language to suit their ends? As a vigorous defender of the rights of children to have parents of actually different genders, the last thing I can be called is an intellectual wimp (no “h”).

Proponents of gay “marriage” do not share the same premises or are operating from the same language definitions as their opponents do. That’s why the arguments are endless and fruitless. Personally, I strongly believe that there are at least 2 other broad issues (maybe 3) that should also be banned from discussion, because similarly proponents and opponents do not share an intellectual foundation, but they are popular topics for flaming and condemning, so I doubt they will ever be banned.

If you don’t like a certain thread , don’t read and or post in it, and don’t deny me my right to. You don’t see me participating in everythread, yet I’m not saying ban certain threads no don’t you. I’m a free spirit who likes to allow others to be free spirits themselves. There are some threads here that do drive me up a wall, but I remind myself those people deserve their say too.

 

[edwest2]

To aspawlowski4th -

The end of the matter is that man has a duty to God. To love Him and to serve Him. Christ came to serve and to show God’s love by dying for all men so that sins would be forgiven.

The man who can control his tongue is called a perfect man in the Bible. A man who cannot control his tongue and who calls himself religious is only fooling himself and his religion is in vain.

True Catholic teaching is eternal. Man has changed little in the past 2,000 years. Take away his technology and he is still the sinner Christ talked about and that we meet throughout the Bible.

Internet opinion culture seems to promise some sort of vague enlightenment. It whispers to people, Hey. We’ve got other, supposedly better, ideas/opinions out here. For the most part, that is not true. Opinions are not truth. Opinions are changable like the wind. Build your life on the rock – the solid foundation of Jesus Christ. He is your guide, the way, the truth and the life.

If you only accept ideas that reaffirm your personal beliefs and use that as an excuse to reject Church teaching, why are you Catholic?

Legalizing gay sex is wrong. It violates natural and Divine law and it should not get free advertising here by being brought up again and again and again.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Elizabeth502]

If you don’t like a certain thread , don’t read and or post in it, and don’t deny me my right to. You don’t see me participating in everythread, yet I’m not saying ban certain threads no don’t you. I’m a free spirit who likes to allow others to be free spirits themselves. There are some threads here that do drive me up a wall, but I remind myself those people deserve their say too.

I haven’t “denied” you anything, nor am I in a position to “deny” you. The OP asks whether the forum admins should disallow the topic. I answered the question.

 

[ladybri77]

To aspawlowski4th -

The end of the matter is that man has a duty to God. To love Him and to serve Him. Christ came to serve and to show God’s love by dying for all men so that sins would be forgiven.

The man who can control his tongue is called a perfect man in the Bible. A man who cannot control his tongue and who calls himself religious is only fooling himself and his religion is in vain.

True Catholic teaching is eternal. Man has changed little in the past 2,000 years. Take away his technology and he is still the sinner Christ talked about and that we meet throughout the Bible.

Internet opinion culture seems to promise some sort of vague enlightenment. It whispers to people, Hey. We’ve got other, supposedly better, ideas/opinions out here. For the most part, that is not true. Opinions are not truth. Opinions are changable like the wind. Build your life on the rock – the solid foundation of Jesus Christ. He is your guide, the way, the truth and the life.

If you only accept ideas that reaffirm your personal beliefs and use that as an excuse to reject Church teaching, why are you Catholic?

Legalizing gay sex is wrong. It violates natural and Divine law and it should not get free advertising here by being brought up again and again and again.

Peace,
Ed

I believe there should be no moratorium because there are real Truths that need to be stated to enlighten the unenlightened. Even though some may not accept them, others who are unenlightened may welcome them as has been my experience. In so doing, we have the hope and prayer that the ones who do not accept God’s truth may someday accept the Truth, and the Truth shall set them free!

 

[sauce]

Believe in things like what? Lack of redundancy? Refraining from propaganda? Fatigue from fielding the same old attempts at reconstructing society in the image of a minority of people? Guarding against the clever manipulation of language to suit their ends? As a vigorous defender of the rights of children to have parents of actually different genders, the last thing I can be called is an intellectual wimp (no “h”).

Proponents of gay “marriage” do not share the same premises or are operating from the same language definitions as their opponents do. That’s why the arguments are endless and fruitless. Personally, I strongly believe that there are at least 2 other broad issues (maybe 3) that should also be banned from discussion, because similarly proponents and opponents do not share an intellectual foundation, but they are popular topics for flaming and condemning, so I doubt they will ever be banned.

This is a great post.

When definitions clash, there can be no true dialog. Where is holy matrimony in all this?
If God’s idea of marriage is between members of the opposite sex, who are capable of producing children, why does that make them the bad guys?
Even if the couple fails miserably at the relationship, it doesn’t mean that God should change the definition of marriage as a whole. He has blessed this type of union for His own reasons.

 

[edwest2]

The moratorium is necessary. What should be here is only a stickie that describes clear Church teaching for those looking for answers. The ‘discussions’ are mostly just excuses to keep bringing up the subject for free advertising/promotion purposes.

Peace,
Ed

 

[ladybri77]

This is a great post.

When definitions clash, there can be no true dialog. Where is holy matrimony in all this?
If God’s idea of marriage is between members of the opposite sex, who are capable of producing children, why does that make them the bad guys?
Even if the couple fails miserably at the relationship, it doesn’t mean that God should change the definition of marriage as a whole. He has blessed this type of union for His own reasons.

Amen! Another great post.

 

[ladybri77]

The moratorium is necessary. What should be here is only a stickie that describes clear Church teaching for those looking for answers. The ‘discussions’ are mostly just excuses to keep bringing up the subject for free advertising/promotion purposes.

Peace,
Ed

Even if the discussion brought up is of your own point of view, Ed?

I think uneducated people need to be educated, then maybe they may see their own error and possibly be converted. It is frustrating when they don’t accept the Truth, however, maybe we’ve planted a seed by giving them Truth, and then praying for them that they accept it. It’s a good opportunity to pray for them.

 

[ladybri77]

Even if the discussion brought up is of your own point of view, Ed?

I think uneducated people need to be educated, then maybe they may see their own error and possibly be converted. It is frustrating when they don’t accept the Truth, however, maybe we’ve planted a seed by giving them Truth, and then praying for them that they accept it. It’s a good opportunity to pray for them.

…and share our own experiences with them.