Moratorium on discussions about same-sex marriage yes or no?

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Why should you label persons as heterosexual or homosexual? Should human beings be classified according to their sexual inclinations? What for should we have to classify them that way? And who is the person here you found praising God for not being homosexual? I guess you are simply imagining.

Lest we overlook this fact, homosexuality itself is not a sin. It is the practice of homosexuality with its deviant and perverted lifestyle that is a sin. We love the sinner, but hate the sin.

 

[agangbern]

Why would my answer not be sufficient? Is there some specific definition of “gay” that you’re using other than ‘attracted to the same sex’?

You assume that the people you talk to are completely opposite-sex-oriented. Because of this, you make more assumptions, many of which are wrong. For example, you obviously are assuming that I am completely opposite-sex-oriented, perhaps because I’ve made it clear that I’m in a heterosexual relationship. Bad assumption.

“Respect given to them as human beings”? Where? Here in Canada, I’d say that that is the case, and AS I SAID, the classification of people by orientation has mostly become a non-issue here, specifically because it is illegal to discriminate based on sex or sexual orientation - and that includes marriage and adoption.

Just calm down and talk objectively. I never made an assumption here. So, don’t attack a supposed assumption which I did not make. Avoid guessing.

 

[agangbern]

Lest we overlook this fact, homosexuality itself is not a sin. It is the practice of homosexuality with its deviant and perverted lifestyle that is a sin. We love the sinner, but hate the sin.

Those are beautiful words to say. Yes, we love the sinner but hate the sin. For the sinner is a person, and only persons could be subject of love.

Why do you think the self-proclaimed gays feel it necessary for themselves to proclaim to everyone that they are gays? What for are they doing it?

 

[Sina]

Let’s just pretend that homosexuality does not exist, and then maybe it will go away

 

[MarieCB]

Just calm down and talk objectively. I never made an assumption here. So, don’t attack a supposed assumption which I did not make. Avoid guessing.

I’m not guessing. I gave you an answer, both an analogy and a straight answer, and you indicated that it wasn’t sufficient because you “just need a direct answer from a self-proclaimed gay out there”.

Why do those attracted to the same sex make it clear?

• They are not given the “respect as human beings” you say they are.
• They don’t want to be assumed to be hetero, which they’re not.

AND in places where they are given that respect, the labels become much less important.

 

[agangbern]

Why do those attracted to the same sex make it clear?

• They are not given the “respect as human beings” you say they are.
• They don’t want to be assumed to be hetero, which they’re not.

In what way are they not given respect as human beings? What do you think are the respects due to a human being?

 

[MarieCB]

In what way are they not given respect as human beings? What do you think are the respects due to a human being?

As I said, it’s not much of an issue in Canada anymore. Our Supreme Court has ruled that it’s illegal to discriminate based on gender or sexual orientation. Denying two consenting, unmarried adults the right to marry, or adopt, based upon their gender is illegal discrimination.

Being allowed to raise your children, or to adopt (assume you meet other requirements), not getting beat up, being able to work in a safe environment, being able to walk down the street holding your partner’s hand, being allowed to form a legal family with your partner, having hospital visitation rights, being allowed to attend church without fear - these things should not be crimes based on the gender of one or another of the people. That’s certainly not definitive, but those are a few things that heterosexual people take for granted.

To the best of my knowledge, no clergy in Canada can be forced to perform any marriage if it is against their faith.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Those are beautiful words to say. Yes, we love the sinner but hate the sin. For the sinner is a person, and only persons could be subject of love.

Why do you think the self-proclaimed gays feel it necessary for themselves to proclaim to everyone that they are gays? What for are they doing it?

I can only guess, but those who do so, are the “in your face” types who have the agenda of trying to make the secular society accept them as being a normal alternative lifestyle. Those who do so, have no grasp of objective morality, nor the consequences thereof.

 

[edwest2]

There is nothing to guess about. Gay marriage is about gay sex. Gays who want to have sex want gay marriage. They don’t want anyone telling them no, gay sex is a sin.

Peace,
Ed

 

[goofyjim]

So, the gays want to let the world know that they want to marry one of their same kind, right?

Not all of them want to call it marriage by the way. That’s the lie out there from the conservative side. But they don’t want their love forbidden legally and want the freedom to show it in responsible ways outside of the bedroom. Let them hold hands. It doesn’t bother me. They found love.

 

[Bennie_P]

Thae last twenty-two post have all been off topic. I cannot beleive there is a possibilty to stay on topic without going throught he same old defacations over and over. This is not a Catholic foum but one big adverstisment for … well myself I requesting to resign from CAF and never use Catholic Answers as referance for good solid Catholic source.

The last twenty-two post just proved my point to the the tee… good night and good by. May God bless you all.

 

[GodLovesTheSpek]

Certainly The Liar must be laughing as people do his bidding causing infighting and arguing about semantics. As Catholics who have the fullness of faith we know the answer, Truth from He who is Truth. The ongoing arguments are for the obstinate and others who reject the truth and look for any reason to support The Lie.

The answer to so-called “same-sex marriage” has been no, is no and will always be no.

 

[Walt_Oliver]

SECOND REQUEST:

Please stay on topic, which is whether the discussion of same-sex marriage should be allowed here.

A number of posts have been removed because they were discussing something else.

Thread will be closed if off topic posts continue.

 

[goofyjim]

Quite simply, yes there should be a moratorium.

 

[jean8]

jean the topic of the thread is: Should we have a moratorium on discussions about same-sex marriage? Sin of homosexuality should be a given concerning Church teaching of the subject, but that is not the topic of the thread. But once again the topic is being diverted (highjacked) and you fell for it by “gay” rights appoligists. Just like I did a few post ago.

bennie,
We don’t need a moratorium on gay marriage. It doesn’t exist.
The Bible is clear, homosexuality is an abombination to the Lord. Rom.1:24-32
Lev.18:22, 1Cor.6::9

jean

 

[jean8]

Speaking as a gay person, it’s quite clear that conservative Christians talk way more about gay sex than actual out-of-the-closet, comfortable gay people. There’s waaaaaay more to gay relationships than sex.

exalt,
How long will you ignore how the Lord views this sin?
It doesn’t matter what I think, it matters what you do.

See Rom.1:24-30. Other sins are listed as well.
God destroyed an entire city because of this sin. Lev.18:22
We, as sinners are all called to repent. I’m not judging you, I’m merely showing you what the Bible reads.

jean

 

[goofyjim]

bennie,
We don’t need a moratorium on gay marriage. It doesn’t exist.
The Bible is clear, homosexuality is an abombination to the Lord. Rom.1:24-32
Lev.18:22, 1Cor.6::9

jean

Maybe the activity is an abomination but the orientation is not.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

The orientation without action is not sinful. Just as in a heterosexual individual the opposite attraction is not sinful, but action outside of marriage is.

 

[Exalt]

exalt,
How long will you ignore how the Lord views this sin?
It doesn’t matter what I think, it matters what you do.

See Rom.1:24-30. Other sins are listed as well.
God destroyed an entire city because of this sin. Lev.18:22
We, as sinners are all called to repent. I’m not judging you, I’m merely showing you what the Bible reads.

jean

Ah. Right. Good ole Leviticus. Just so you know, and - forgive me if this sound a little sarcastic - but pointing out another example of God’s propensity towards committing, condoning, or commanding mass murder may not be the *best *persuasive tactic. Just a thought.

 

[Exalt]

Exactomundo!!

I’ve never understood why some homosexuals seem to have a need to wear their orientation on their sleeves…

You know, it’s funny, I’ve never understood why some heterosexuals seem to have a need to wear their relationships on their sleeves.

I mean, I was walking down the street the other day and I saw this man and woman HOLDING HANDS in PUBLIC. Ugh! Such a flagrant, open display of heterosexuality. I mean, it’s a free country. They can be who they want to be and everything, I just *don’t *need to be reminded of it every single time I walk down the street. They just can’t seem to hold it in! It’s like their relationships are *important *to them or something!

And then, when someone starts a discussion about marriage and what not, some heterosexuals have the audacity to actually *talk *about their heterosexual lifestyle, even though it’s totally relevant to the conversation! They just can’t seem to stop flaunting it all over the place!