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AlNg
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Would their wives be happy about it? Many wives I know would be not be too happy if they see their husbands sleeping with other men.
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BoomBoomMancini
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Presumably they wouldn’t tell their wives.
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o_mlly
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The Church, all God’s people, cannot be blamed because to blame everyone is to blame no one.
The guilty are those who knew, especially those in powerful positions, and did not act to stop the evil.
Sometimes our bishops make the fool’s mistake of confusing instrument and end. One may never protect or perfect the instrument at the expense of the end. The Church is not the end; she is Christ’s sacrament, His instrument here on earth. The end is the salvation of God’s children. One should never give up the children.
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DominusEmpyreus
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Oh yes, whataboutism; the who operating ethos of Fox news and many of its contributor flunkies.
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JanetF
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Most wives aren’t aware when their husbands are committing adultery.
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AlNg
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The situation was with a person sleeping at night with other men at his house. The wife would know if this was happening at night in her house.
If they are sleeping in their house with other men, and the wife was there, she would know. And if her husband was away at night sleeping with someone else, she would be suspicious.
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Gorgias
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And that will solve the problem of the sexual abuse of children and adolescents how, exactly?
(NB: if you think that married men don’t sexually abuse minors, you haven’t been reading the statistics.)
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Gorgias
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“Hi, honey. Yeah… I got called out to the hospital again, for an emergency. Don’t wait up for me – I’ll be here for quite a while tonight.”
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Joe_5859
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I think it’s short-sighted and a tad disrespectful to the married state of life to presume that a man who would do such things would no longer do them simply because he was married. Why not? Because he has an appropriate “outlet” for his sexual impulses? Because he has someone keeping a closer eye on him?
This whole story is certainly very shocking and sad. I have seen multiple articles where even many journalists admit that they have heard these rumors for years but never could substantiate something sufficiently to run the story. It’s amazing to me that in this digital, social media age that there can still be these “open secrets” that fly under most people’s radar for so many years.
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JanetF
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Exactly…some wives leave town without their husbands, work jobs that take them away at night, etc. Having a wife, is not going to stop a sexually abusive person from abusing people.
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laylow
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Actually, providing an environment where celibate under-sexed adult males are provided easy access to possible pre-existing temptations in the form of young kids, could quite rightfully be argued as problematic.
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laylow
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No, but having a wife may have stopped people from becoming one in the first place.
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AlNg
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You might ask Bill Donohue of the Catholic League who has a different take on it.
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Pup7
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Celibacy has been proven to NOT be the problem. Go do some research. Offenders will offend regardless.Pup7:
Actually, providing an environment where celibate under-sexed adult males are provided easy access to possible pre-existing temptations in the form of young kids, could quite rightfully be argued as problematic.
So it’s quite rightfully not argued at all.
I’m sure all the victims of incest would totally agree with that. (Yes, that’s sarcasm.)
No, that’s not the issue. Have you read anything on this topic, or are you just throwing out opinions?
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AlNg
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Where is the proof?
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Pup7
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Wives have been known to not acknowledge fathers and stepfathers abusing their children.
The issue isn’t just adultery.
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Pup7
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Oh please. Just stop.
As is yours.
I don’t blame all of Congress for the ignorant antics of a few. I don’t cast off the office of POTUS just because I don’t like an incumbent. I don’t blame preposterous decisions made by the Pentagon on my commander or my fellow airmen. I don’t blame the entire US population for our problems. And I don’t blame an entire corporation for the acts of its CEOs.
The Church is absolutely in no way any different. My fellow parishioners didn’t do this - the people I sit in Mass with every Sunday didn’t do this. Every Catholic priest and every bishop didn’t do this - and the ones who DID try to whistleblow were often “dealt with”. The whole of Christ’s Church did not do this. The system did this.
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laylow
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I’ve read enough to know it’s a complicated subject and that many of the “studies” are biased. Of course I’m not arguing that celibacy is the whole problem, far from it. But for someone who already likes little boys, it is easier to hide being a priest and then get relatively easy access to your fantasies. Especially if your employer is going out of their way to cover up said transgressions.
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Pup7
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It’s not “studies”, quote-end quote.
It’s genuine psychological research, so I can’t understand the reason for quotes.
A lot of research has been conducted by institutions other than the RCC, in case you weren’t aware of that. The whole situation has sparked interest by the greater community.
The RCC actually has made sweeping changes to prevent this sort of thing from continuing.
It’s genuine psychological research, so I can’t understand the reason for quotes.
A lot of research has been conducted by institutions other than the RCC, in case you weren’t aware of that. The whole situation has sparked interest by the greater community.
Thank you for making my point. Celibacy has nothing to do with the phenomenon in the least. The RCC - or any other church - has not created child molesters. They were molesters (or at least possessed the proclivity to becoming one) before they arrived in the priesthood.
The RCC actually has made sweeping changes to prevent this sort of thing from continuing.
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CelticWarlord
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Wherever there are people there is going to be scandal, corruption, and abuse. I see it where I work, in the church I attend, in the schools my kids went to, in the athletic clubs they joined, and everywhere else for that matter.
But however heinous these people are, the perps and those who covered it up, however many it may be, this does not define the world I live in, the church I choose, or the things I must participate in. If we let them, these things can and will crush us and our will to carry on. As an individual all I can do is shake my head with sorrow over the filth people tend to get mired in, the horrendous decisions they tend to make, and resolve to make amends where I can and am able.
But however heinous these people are, the perps and those who covered it up, however many it may be, this does not define the world I live in, the church I choose, or the things I must participate in. If we let them, these things can and will crush us and our will to carry on. As an individual all I can do is shake my head with sorrow over the filth people tend to get mired in, the horrendous decisions they tend to make, and resolve to make amends where I can and am able.
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