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Who does have a point?
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SirThomasMore
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The Catholic Church has THE truthful point…Who does have a point?
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I think that the mormons need to have the danites back to defend lds women and children.
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LongJourney
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No, the Danites were instituted to protect the church and its leaders, and terrorize its members into obedience. If the Danites had been organized to protect women (and children), there would have been no polygamy. They should have taken that passage in Jacob seriously.
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Actually this is not true. Eventually the leader of the danites turned on the lds leadership in court. Joseph Smith referred to the danites as a secret combination.
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The Danites were led by Dr. Sampson Avard, and the group appears to have been formally formed about the time that Sidney Rigdon gave his “Salt Sermon” in Far West, in which he gave apostates an ultimatum to get out or suffer consequences.[1] According to Avard, the original purpose of the band was to “drive from the county of Caldwell all that dissented from the Mormon church.”[2] Once the dissenters had left the country, the Danites turned their attention to defending the Saints from mobs. Avard, however, took this purpose one step further by including retaliation against those who persecuted the Saints. Thus, the Danites began operating as a vigilante group outside the law. This, unfortunately, included stealing and plundering from those who stole and plundered from the Saints.[3] The Danites believed that if they consecrated plundered goods to the Church, that they would be protected in battle.[4] The group held secret meetings, with special signs used to identify themselves to one another.
en.fairmormon.org/Danites
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The thing is tom, is that to attack something is easy. It is never difficult to attack something. The catholic church can be attacked and attacked and it would be easy to do so. And it happens quite frequently. But…at the end of day, it does nothing to promote the common good. To be on the catholic forum attacking mormonism is easy. And you will get claps and applause. But to go on the mormon forum with your attacks would be much more difficult. You would be trounced big time.
But at the end of the day…what purpose does it serve? Nothing.
To attack is easy but to love is much harder.
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Thank you for posting this information. They certainly took their license too far, didn’t they? And JS was forced to repudiate them in order to keep his own name clean. However, they renewed themselves in Nauvoo (just like the Gadiantons 
) And re-renewed themselves in Utah. This illustrates some of the problems with secret organizations using other organizations for cover.
) And re-renewed themselves in Utah. This illustrates some of the problems with secret organizations using other organizations for cover.
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Kozlosap,ParkerD and dianiad do use their own words in describing the articles and basis of the LDS Church to the rest of us Catholics and Protestants and it is refreshing. It is quite obvious from reading their many and varied posts that they don’t need to quote long pieces of scripture be it from the NT or the MoM. They both sound (from their writings) like I could use them when trying to explain economic factors to 9th graders!
Just a note to thank you for your kind comment. I really appreciated this kindness and thoughtfulness of you. All the best in your teaching–that is a challenge for youth to understand Economics in today’s world, but a fascinating subject. God bless you in doing so.
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Really?I think that the mormons need to have the danites back to defend lds women and children.
Brigham Young: “I want their cursed heads cut off that they may atone for their sins,”
Parley Pratt: “The Kingdom of God is come, even that Kingdom which will fill the whole earth and shall stand forever. The revolutionary purpose of the Kingdom of God and its millenial plan is to reduce all nations and creeds to one political and religious standard, and thus put an end to the battle of forms and names, and to strife and war. The earth’s rulers must take a lively interest with the saints of the Most High and the covenant people of the Lord, or you will become their inveterate enemy.”
Brigham: “…and he that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but is Antichrist.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 9, p. 312).
Seems the ones who need to be protected are non-Mormons…
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nice whitewashing of history…
A secret police/underground para-military organization formed in 1838. Its two stated purposes: (1) intimidation of Mormon dissenter; (2) warfare against anti-Mormon militia units. They were originally organized as the “Daughters of Zion”; also know as “Destroying Angels.”
The covenant taken by all the Danite band was as follows, to wit: They declared, holding up their right hand, “In the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, I do solemnly obligate myself ever to conceal and never to reveal the secret purposes of this society, called the Daughters of Zion. Should I ever do the same, I hold my life as the forfeiture.”
The prophet Joseph Smith, jr., together with his two counsellors, (Hiram Smith and Sidney Rigdon,) were considered as the supreme head of the church; and the Danite band feel themselves as much bound to obey them as to obey the Supreme God.
1857massacre.com/MMM/danites_index.htm#index
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STM, you give new meaning to “valiant”! 
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LongJourney
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Especially with those who think that people who challenge their belief system are challenging their right to exist.STM, you give new meaning to “valiant”!
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Major Ditto!!STM, you give new meaning to “valiant”!
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why_me
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Ummm…now tom, lets be honest here. If it wasn’t for the mobs burning out mormons and killing them, there would be no danites. The danites were more or less organized after Rigdon’s salt sermon speech that attacked apostates because it was the apostates that were instigating the mobs. Sound familiar?
The danite leader turned against Joseph Smith in court. No whitewash there. But again, if apostates would have left the mormons alone and not instigating mob action, the danites would never have come into existence.
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SirTom is valiant? Lets see…sir tom starts a thread that attacks the mormon church on a catholic forum. Mormons attempt to explain their faith or history. Sir Tom attacks the mormon explanation. Thus, sir tom is valiant.STM, you give new meaning to “valiant”!
Does that make sense?
What does it mean to be valiant and a fighter for the truth?
Sir tom needs to go to the MAD forum and begin his valiant fight to fight for the truth. In other words he needs to take his private war to the mormon boards and convince them that the mormon church is lead by a false prophet. Now that would be valiant!
But sir tom plays it safe knowing that the odds are stacked against the mormons on this site and he would get his applause from posters like yourself.
But that is not valiant.
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Tom, I think that you should lead the charge to the Mormon forums. Why preach the truth about the mormon church on this forum? Catholics have heard it all before. Lead the charge to the mormon forums. You can take Twopekinguys, Melanie, Rebecca, and the others. I look forward to reading the posts. But here…if mormons would boycott the catholic sponsored mormon threads, the threads would die on page 2.
But of course you should leave this forum out of it. There should be no board wars. Good luck with your fight to spead the truth on the MAD forum. I look forward to your success.
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