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on another thread, Evan posted a list of things from another site that he believes proves the Catholic Church lost its way. It was not on topic, so I moved it here to discuss…
The Jews also have a similar claim. This is what Jesus said about it:
“Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Jewish people can also trace their Priestly Aaronic lineage! They can also trace their genealogy back to Abraham! They were proud of it! Look what Christ said about it:
“And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.”
Catholics do not have prophets…look what the scriptures say about it:
For “surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.” (Amos 3:7)
The Catholic Church does not have the foundation, which is apostles and prophets!
“built upon the foundation of the Apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone.” (Ephesians 2:20)
The Catholic Church does not resemble the Church Christ founded! It is a much different organization!
“And he gave some, Apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: that we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive.” (Ephesians 4:11-14)
Catholic Church is a product of the apostasy of the Church Christ established.
“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.” II Tess 2:3
The Lord allowed the Saints (members of the Church of Christ) be defeated!
"As I watched, this horn was waging war against the saints and defeating them Dan 7:21
The Church falls into an apostasy for a period of time:
“The woman (Church) fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.” Rev 12:6
Christ and the Apostles talk about a restoration of everything before the second coming of Christ:
"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. " Acts 3:19-21
“Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.” (Matthew 17:3-13)
What did Jesus mean when He said that John the Baptist was Elias, even though Elijah and Moses had just appeared? The angel Gabriel told John’s father that he would “go before him [Christ] in the spirit and power of Elias . . . .” (Luke 1:17) Therefore, it must be that certain people who are called of God to be forerunners of the Kingdom, as John was, act in the “spirit and power of Elias.”
This principle must apply to other prophets as well as John, for Jesus not only said that “Elias has come already,” but also that “Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.” Thus, a restoration would still be needed in the future, just as Latter-day Saints have proclaimed. Noting the many persons the revelations of Joseph Smith identify as “Elias,” modern Apostle Bruce R. McConkie summarized the LDS doctrine: "Elias is a composite personage. The expression must be understood to be a name and a title for those whose mission it was to commit keys and powers to men in this final dispensation."124 And as with the Lord’s first advent, Latter-day Saints believe that Elijah himself was one of the heavenly visitors who appeared to Joseph Smith (as well as Oliver Cowdery) to restore the original “keys and powers.” (See D&C 110
The scriptures are clear about a restoration of everything…How can there be a restoration if there is no apostasy? Restoration is a consequence of a total apostasy!
The Jews also have a similar claim. This is what Jesus said about it:
“Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Jewish people can also trace their Priestly Aaronic lineage! They can also trace their genealogy back to Abraham! They were proud of it! Look what Christ said about it:
“And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.”
Catholics do not have prophets…look what the scriptures say about it:
For “surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.” (Amos 3:7)
The Catholic Church does not have the foundation, which is apostles and prophets!
“built upon the foundation of the Apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone.” (Ephesians 2:20)
The Catholic Church does not resemble the Church Christ founded! It is a much different organization!
“And he gave some, Apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: that we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive.” (Ephesians 4:11-14)
Catholic Church is a product of the apostasy of the Church Christ established.
“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.” II Tess 2:3
The Lord allowed the Saints (members of the Church of Christ) be defeated!
"As I watched, this horn was waging war against the saints and defeating them Dan 7:21
The Church falls into an apostasy for a period of time:
“The woman (Church) fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.” Rev 12:6
Christ and the Apostles talk about a restoration of everything before the second coming of Christ:
"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. " Acts 3:19-21
“Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.” (Matthew 17:3-13)
What did Jesus mean when He said that John the Baptist was Elias, even though Elijah and Moses had just appeared? The angel Gabriel told John’s father that he would “go before him [Christ] in the spirit and power of Elias . . . .” (Luke 1:17) Therefore, it must be that certain people who are called of God to be forerunners of the Kingdom, as John was, act in the “spirit and power of Elias.”
This principle must apply to other prophets as well as John, for Jesus not only said that “Elias has come already,” but also that “Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.” Thus, a restoration would still be needed in the future, just as Latter-day Saints have proclaimed. Noting the many persons the revelations of Joseph Smith identify as “Elias,” modern Apostle Bruce R. McConkie summarized the LDS doctrine: "Elias is a composite personage. The expression must be understood to be a name and a title for those whose mission it was to commit keys and powers to men in this final dispensation."124 And as with the Lord’s first advent, Latter-day Saints believe that Elijah himself was one of the heavenly visitors who appeared to Joseph Smith (as well as Oliver Cowdery) to restore the original “keys and powers.” (See D&C 110
The scriptures are clear about a restoration of everything…How can there be a restoration if there is no apostasy? Restoration is a consequence of a total apostasy!