How many times do I have to say this? I have also been respectful of the faith of the Catholics participating on this board. That is a lot more then I can say for a particular Catholic poster here. It appears to me that you are to quick to find fault with anything that I say or view my motives in a bad light. Why is that?
Yes you are right Zerinus. I thought for a brief moment that I could have a proper dialogue with them but I appear to have been mistaken as evidenced by some of their recent posts to me. You challenge a statement by one poster and all of of a sudden my character is attacked and I have a hidden agenda. Besides for the most part all they can answer is by saying that Joseph Smith is a false prophet. It seems that is their stock answer for every question. You can see for yourself Zerinus the convoluted logic that they use.
That is a very interesting tactic to take to keep from answering my question.
So I guess that you won and Joseph Smith is a fraud?
The ever growing evidence that supports our claim of the Book of Mormon being an ancient document makes it difficult to explain away as Joseph Smith making things up as he went along. BYU Anthropology Professor John Clark in his speech ‘Archaeology, Relics and Book of Mormon Belief’, said that “Practices, instruments of war and history in the Book of Mormon are in accordance with Meso-American ways,” If you are looking for direct evidence for the Book of Mormon there is none. I view direct evidence as evidence beyond any dispute that can be directly linked to the Book of Mormon. For me there does not have to be any such direct evidence as there is enough parallel evidence to support the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. This evidence does not prove that these artifacts were left by the Book of Mormon people. However Joseph Smith got so many evidences and events correct about the MesoAmerican culture such as metal plates in stone boxes,warfare, cities, cement that statistically it goes beyond any possibility of chance. For me I came to a point where I said how many lucky guesses can someone make before what he claims is true?Many of Joseph Smith’s ‘lucky guesses’ have been proven false but rather than speak in generalities I would like to hear your answers to certain particular questions I have.
I wasn’t asking for proof of what I said. I was asking for you to discount Melanie Anne’s claim by showing proof.
Zerinus,
I think zerinus has finally realized that in this battle of wits he is an unarmed participant.Zerinus,
Does this mean that you are going to take down your blog and go away? Say it isn’t so.
She is beyond naivite: her proof is a BYU !] professor’s assertion (she doesn’t provide his evidence, if any) that archeology of meso-america fits the accounts in the BoM.So I guess that you won and Joseph Smith is a fraud?
That’s her ironclad proof!
Mercy me, let us pray for our mormon brothers and sisters!
Robert
Here is the challenge: can you accept it?So I guess that you won and Joseph Smith is a fraud?
what questions do you have, maybe I can answer them, without insulting your intelligence, or offending your religion or belief system, even though i have done so in the past, to others. I do not know the history of the Mormons that well, so I will not answer those, but on their beliefs maybe I can, as long as it is a question on believing what is the truth. The problem we have as a people, is that we can’t really say what the pope did or Luther or Joseph, because we weren’t there, that is including the life of the Savior, we all follow the bible or records in hopes that they are correct, or translated correctly. We are at the mercy of the past historians and we have to agree that the one who writes history is going to write what he thinks is right or if you have a poor translator you are at his mercy and understanding of the language. That is why there are so many religions, all coming from one bible each claiming we are right in our thinking and you are wrong, or this is the truth or this is the truth and then we establish a name to the church to classify us, as a group. And yet many of us have questions, that our superiors cannot answer, because it is not written, therefore it does not exist, or it is the mystery we cannot tell. The real challenge is to except truth where ever it can be found, and be opened minded enough to embrace it. If you have a open mind and are logical in thinking, we can have a conversation that may lead to something worthy of life. I have read many questions on this forum, some I have answered, but those in question are not really looking for truth, but trying to secure their own belief in what they have, even if their faith is on shaky ground. I have read the Mormon blog because it is the only one besides the catholics, just for interest sake, because people want answers. If you are a seeker of truth and want answers that you can’t find, I would like you to share your thoughts with me and see where it goes. I am not interested in debate. You who want to debate are as the Jews who were only interested in hearing their own voices. For when they are learned they think they are wise but council not with their God, whom they know not of. The Jews were so harden in their hearts, that they did not see who the Messiah was in front of them. So let us reason together, and ponder the thoughts that may come between us. I will never take away from you, what you now believe, I will only add to it. But I will warn you the bible does not teach what others do not believe. I had a minister once tear out two pages of James from his bible, because it didn’t agree with his philosophy. REMEMBER philosophy is only what one thinks, or has reasoned to be true, because he cannot answer the reasoning it is not true. We all what to be the Savior of men, or convert men to our way of thinking, because by doing so we are comforted in thinking we must be right because look at all those million that believe me and are following me. But during the days of Noah only 8 were saved by water, the world was wrong Noah was right. And the eight that followed him. God bless
You are quite right of course; but one thing you should bear in mind is that the majority of the people who act in this way, and give the Catholic Church a bad name, are not true Catholics at all. They are Mormon apostates who have chosen Catholicism as a platform from which to launch attacks against Mormonism. But in reality they no more believe in Catholicism than they believe in Mormonism. They are a disgrace to Catholicism, and a blot on the character and good name of the Catholic Church. True Catholics are pretty decent and dignified individuals like yourself, and they are outraged by their kind of behavior. So bear in mind that they are not true representatives of Catholicism at all. One shouldn’t judge Catholics by their actions.
If you came here expecting to find saints, you won’t. But you are right that you are not seeing the whole picture. zerinus - and his alter ego mesenja - has levied the worst kind of insults, has talked against the Pope, and refused to have any kind of discussion unless he has set the groud rules and that includes reading ‘lectures’ at his blog. There are a few threads that he has been on - one got closed - check them out before you pass judgement on us.
Can you name one Catholic on this board who you think has behaved as you see fit? Can you name one who has asked you a pointed question who you have answered?
Yes! Excellent post.
