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You are overlooking post # 34. It seems pretty clear that they were invited and stood in the back.
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Paul_G
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In an honest discussion of event that’s all you can do is present both sides, then one makes up their mind as to what appears more reasonable. Many here have seemed to have made up their mind and that’s fine by me.
I didn’t have a problem with the priest wanting them out the door, I believe he was well within his rights to ask, or even demand it. What I thought was over the top was to petition the government to have the church mission kick out of the country, that smacks of a political agenda.
There is a link else where that shows a Protestant individual ranting around the congregation during a Catholic service, should the officiating priest go to the Governor and ask for this person’s church to be kicked of the state. I would be interested in hearing some opinions about this scenario.
Paul
I didn’t have a problem with the priest wanting them out the door, I believe he was well within his rights to ask, or even demand it. What I thought was over the top was to petition the government to have the church mission kick out of the country, that smacks of a political agenda.
There is a link else where that shows a Protestant individual ranting around the congregation during a Catholic service, should the officiating priest go to the Governor and ask for this person’s church to be kicked of the state. I would be interested in hearing some opinions about this scenario.
Paul
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dosdog
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WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court declined yesterday to hear arguments on whether the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints should be allowed to limit speech it deems offensive in a park it purchased from Salt Lake City.In an honest discussion of event that’s all you can do is present both sides, then one makes up their mind as to what appears more reasonable. Many here have seemed to have made up their mind and that’s fine by me.
I didn’t have a problem with the priest wanting them out the door, I believe he was well within his rights to ask, or even demand it. What I thought was over the top was to petition the government to have the church mission kick out of the country, that smacks of a political agenda.
There is a link else where that shows a Protestant individual ranting around the congregation during a Catholic service, should the officiating priest go to the Governor and ask for this person’s church to be kicked of the state. I would be interested in hearing some opinions about this scenario.
Paul
The Court’s decision lets stand an October ruling by the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that said because the church had guaranteed the city pedestrian access through the park at the time of the purchase, free-speech rights along the sidewalks through the plaza must be retained.
firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=11628
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Paul_G
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I granted that the priest had the right to exercise authority, control, and access to church property. I don’t get your point, no one is asking for people to be thrown out of the city or the park, just asking for a little dignity.WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court declined yesterday to hear arguments on whether the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints should be allowed to limit speech it deems offensive in a park it purchased from Salt Lake City.
The Court’s decision lets stand an October ruling by the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that said because the church had guaranteed the city pedestrian access through the park at the time of the purchase, free-speech rights along the sidewalks through the plaza must be retained.
firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=11628
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dosdog
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RelatedI granted that the priest had the right to exercise authority, control, and access to church property. I don’t get your point, no one is asking for people to be thrown out of the city or the park, just asking for a little dignity.
Paul
Evangelical Christians arrested on Mormon plaza
Meanwhile, federal appeals court considers dispute over church’s efforts to restrict behavior on former city property. 04.09.02
No high court hearing for Salt Lake City park case
But 10th Circuit ruling that free speech must prevail along sidewalks in Mormon-owned plaza now in doubt because of deal made by mayor; Supreme Court also refuses to hear New Jersey eruv case. 06.24.03
firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=11580
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RebeccaJ
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Oh I dunno, seems to be a disingenuous stance by mormons. The only reason a mormon missionary agrees to go to Mass is that they are doing it as part of proselyting. In the spirit of, I’ll go to Mass if you go to a mormon sacrament meeting. They are proselyting and to act like it is just acting on an invitation with no proselyting motive behind it is lying.That kind of fits with what the person was saying on the Sophia mission website that this particular “priest is aligned with the Ataka party and was previously involved in the attempt to remove all “outside” religions and “sects” from Burgas.” So there seems to be a pre-existing intolerance behind what happened.
Paul
The priest is acting within the laws of Bulgaria. That mormons don’t like the laws because it doesn’t suit their purposes is let-me-cry-a-river-for-you.
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RebeccaJ
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As part of their conversion efforts. In effect, making a mockery of what they were observing.You are overlooking post # 34. It seems pretty clear that they were invited and stood in the back.
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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I was ignoring nothing, We still do not know if there had been prior dealing between this Priest and theses LDS members( or others) and we do not know how reliable that Quote was from the “witness”. I for one have experienced first hand the aggressive tactics of LDS missionaries.You are overlooking post # 34. It seems pretty clear that they were invited and stood in the back.
Question I would ask. If they were invited why were they standing in the back and not seated with the lady that invited them?
I do not know what happened there and unless you were there you do not either. What I do know from personal experience is it i entirely possible that the Priest over reacted tho the poor behavior of these people.
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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I am not sure it newness. I think it more that they have a problem with cults that other than the names they use have little to no bases in Scripture.And that priest priest calls himself a christian. In many orthodox societies, ie, Russia, there is an intolerance toward other faiths by the orthodox church, especially toward the lds and JWs. There is a problem among some orthodox priests in accepting newness.
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Jerusha
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And the people these missionaries had been talking to may have been individuals who are particularly vulnerable to cult involvement.
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RebeccaJ
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A particular weakness of secular atheism, which is what this entire country was living under for decades.And the people these missionaries had been talking to may have been individuals who are particularly vulnerable to cult involvement.
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Paul_G
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Isn’t this the same point you are trying to make. So what has changed, and how does it relate to the Bulgarian situation.Related
Evangelical Christians arrested on Mormon plaza
Meanwhile, federal appeals court considers dispute over church’s efforts to restrict behavior on former city property. 04.09.02
No high court hearing for Salt Lake City park case
But 10th Circuit ruling that free speech must prevail along sidewalks in Mormon-owned plaza now in doubt because of deal made by mayor; Supreme Court also refuses to hear New Jersey eruv case. 06.24.03
firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=11580
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dosdog
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There is a link else where that shows a Protestant individual ranting around the congregation during a Catholic service, should the officiating priest go to the Governor and ask for this person’s church to be kicked of the state. I would be interested in hearing some opinions about this scenario.Isn’t this the same point you are trying to make. So what has changed, and how does it relate to the Bulgarian situation.
Paul
Paul
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court declined yesterday to hear arguments on whether the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints should be allowed to limit speech it deems offensive in a park it purchased from Salt Lake City.
The Court’s decision lets stand an October ruling by the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that said because the church had guaranteed the city pedestrian access through the park at the time of the purchase, free-speech rights along the sidewalks through the plaza must be retained.
firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=11628
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Evangelical Christians arrested on Mormon plaza
Meanwhile, federal appeals court considers dispute over church’s efforts to restrict behavior on former city property. 04.09.02
No high court hearing for Salt Lake City park case
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Paul_G
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I know you like to use the words disingenuous and lying almost in the same sentence and what you say may be true, after all that is what they leave home to do, but if there was a “proselyting motive” behind it, it would have been for the person who invited them, not the whole congregation, and certainly not with the intent of disrupting any service.Oh I dunno, seems to be a disingenuous stance by mormons. The only reason a mormon missionary agrees to go to Mass is that they are doing it as part of proselyting. In the spirit of, I’ll go to Mass if you go to a mormon sacrament meeting. They are proselyting and to act like it is just acting on an invitation with no proselyting motive behind it is lying.
I didn’t have a problem with the priest wanting them out the door, I believe he was well within his rights, as you point out, to ask, or even demand it. What I thought was over the top was to petition the government to have the church mission kick out of the country, that smacks of a political agenda.The priest is acting within the laws of Bulgaria. That mormons don’t like the laws because it doesn’t suit their purposes is let-me-cry-a-river-for-you.
There is a link else where that shows a Protestant individual ranting around the congregation during a Catholic service, should the officiating priest go to the Governor and ask for this person’s church to be kicked of the state. I can be completely confident in saying no rational north American priest would do such a thing, as also I am sure that the priest in the video handled the real disruption to his service with Christian dignity.
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Paul_G
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I’m having a hard time trying see the connections, without further comment from you on the point you are trying to make. Are you saying that what the priest and the LDS church did, as far as petitioning of their respective federal governments, amounts to the same thing? - If so, are you suggesting that my statement hypocritical in view of the LDS action? If this is the reasoning behind your links could you explain to us how you came to this conclusion?There is a link else where that shows a Protestant individual ranting around the congregation during a Catholic service, should the officiating priest go to the Governor and ask for this person’s church to be kicked of the state. I would be interested in hearing some opinions about this scenario.
Paul
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court declined yesterday to hear arguments on whether the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints should be allowed to limit speech it deems offensive in a park it purchased from Salt Lake City.
The Court’s decision lets stand an October ruling by the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that said because the church had guaranteed the city pedestrian access through the park at the time of the purchase, free-speech rights along the sidewalks through the plaza must be retained.
firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=11628
Related
Evangelical Christians arrested on Mormon plaza
Meanwhile, federal appeals court considers dispute over church’s efforts to restrict behavior on former city property. 04.09.02
No high court hearing for Salt Lake City park case
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dosdog
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The exact senerio you asked for - 10th circuit read thier opinionI’m having a hard time trying see the connections, without further comment from you on the point you are trying to make. Are you saying that what the priest and the LDS church did, as far as petitioning of their respective federal governments, amounts to the same thing? - If so, are you suggesting that my statement hypocritical in view of the LDS action? If this is the reasoning behind your links could you explain to us how you came to this conclusion?
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rien
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I’d like to see a link to the story about evengelical Chritians being arrested on the Mormon plaza. Like the details. Were they protelytizing on a hollowed ground for Mormons? Like I said, i want to read the full details here.There is a link else where that shows a Protestant individual ranting around the congregation during a Catholic service, should the officiating priest go to the Governor and ask for this person’s church to be kicked of the state. I would be interested in hearing some opinions about this scenario.
Paul
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court declined yesterday to hear arguments on whether the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints should be allowed to limit speech it deems offensive in a park it purchased from Salt Lake City.
The Court’s decision lets stand an October ruling by the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that said because the church had guaranteed the city pedestrian access through the park at the time of the purchase, free-speech rights along the sidewalks through the plaza must be retained.
firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=11628
Related
Evangelical Christians arrested on Mormon plaza
Meanwhile, federal appeals court considers dispute over church’s efforts to restrict behavior on former city property. 04.09.02
No high court hearing for Salt Lake City park case
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dosdog
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Thats what started it -I’d like to see a link to the story about evengelical Chritians being arrested on the Mormon plaza. Like the details. Were they protelytizing on a hollowed ground for Mormons? Like I said, i want to read the full details here.
firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=4038
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Paul_G
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You still need to explain your reasoning.The exact senerio you asked for - 10th circuit read thier opinion
Let’s see. I said that the priest was well with in his rights and the law to ask or demand not talk to any one on church property, and ask or demand the missionaries leave church property, and in additions I’m going to petition the federal government to try and get you kicked out of the country.
LDS position your welcome on church property, we are going to petition the federal government for the right to insist on the respectful use of speech on our property. The church did not initialize bring this to court it was the civil liberties folks - again different.
So how are these scenarios similar again.
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dosdog
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We dont kick people out in the US the LDS church takes them to Court - They do there - read thier ConstitutionYou still need to explain your reasoning.
Let’s see. I said that the priest was well with in his rights and the law to ask or demand not talk to any one on church property, and ask or demand the missionaries leave church property, and in additions I’m going to petition the federal government to try and get you kicked out of the country.
LDS position your welcome on church property, we are going to petition the federal government for the right to insist on the respectful use of speech on our property. The church did not initialize bring this to court it was the civil liberties folks - again different.
So how are these scenarios similar again.
Paul
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