Mormon missionaries vandalize and desecrate Catholic Shrine

[twopekinguys]

Dude, as people here have told you before, that’s sacrilege; in fact it’s the same thing as what those missionary guys did. If you can’t understand what’s wrong there, you need to have a serious conversation with the Parish Priest and honestly explain your testimony and defense of the Book of Mormon and your encouragement of Catholics to have discussions with Mormon missionaries.

I couldn’t agree with you more.

Although, I have to question the validity of Why Me’s statement about doing the reading. Most people who would have done a reading would refer to themselves as being a “Lector”. In our diocese, lectors are commissioned to do so.

But, if it is true, it just validates one of my previous posts where I said he doesn’t know which side of the fence he is on.

Unfortunately either way, I have noticed his posts rarely offer anything constructive, but merely attempt to get people riled up.

 

[majick275]

it has been brought to my attention that a second missionary involved in this has now apologized and with a more sincere apology than the first. I would like to read it if anyone has a link. If true then I forgive him. Still waiting on the third…

 

[twopekinguys]

it has been brought to my attention that a second missionary involved in this has now apologized and with a more sincere apology than the first. I would like to read it if anyone has a link. If true then I forgive him. Still waiting on the third…

Here is a link to the apology. You have to scroll down to the very bottom of the page to read it. It is definitely more apologetic than the first one.

sltrib.com/ci_8569202

 

[majick275]

based on that link only one missionary has apologized. (R thompson)
I believe he is the one that was still on his mission. what about the one that posted these to the web?

 

[twopekinguys]

My apologies. Both of them are by R. Thompson.

The apology in the link I supplied is either “revised”, or they “omitted” the section that turned it into Mormon’s being picked on. “I realize that my companions and I have made a mockery of that which is most sacred to many of the residents of San Luis and the rest of the world. I should have known better because I have seen many of the same types of blasphemies made against my own church and I have been appalled,”

Gotta love the media!!!

 

[Jerusha]

What about the blasphemies in the Book of Mormon against the Catholic Church and against Native American traditions? Don’t we have the right to speak out, or write about them?

 

[ibkc]

Although, I have to question the validity of Why Me’s statement about doing the reading. Most people who would have done a reading would refer to themselves as being a “Lector”. In our diocese, lectors are commissioned to do so.

Yes, several of us have commented on the fact that for someone who claims to be involved enough in his parish that he has trained to be a lector, he knows surprisingly little about Catholic terminology and tradition. This, and te fact that he posts elsewhere with big happy avatars of Joseph Smith, makes me doubt he is telling the truth.

 

[xulu]

I couldn’t agree with you more.

Although, I have to question the validity of Why Me’s statement about doing the reading. Most people who would have done a reading would refer to themselves as being a “Lector”. In our diocese, lectors are commissioned to do so.

But, if it is true, it just validates one of my previous posts where I said he doesn’t know which side of the fence he is on.

Unfortunately either way, I have noticed his posts rarely offer anything constructive, but merely attempt to get people riled up.

Maybe if we ignore, then it will go away?

 

[xulu]

The only thing I can sympathize with here is the anger the people in Colorado feel, as well as anybody on here.

Anybody who even tries to defend the actions of these 3 former missionaries is just as guilty of a supremacist attitude.I have no feelings except for anger against them, and I hope it haunts them for a long time to come.​

 

[why_me]

Dude, as people here have told you before, that’s sacrilege; in fact it’s the same thing as what those missionary guys did. If you can’t understand what’s wrong there, you need to have a serious conversation with the Parish Priest and honestly explain your testimony and defense of the Book of Mormon and your encouragement of Catholics to have discussions with Mormon missionaries.

I don’t have the same hatred as some of the ‘catholics’ on this forum toward mormonism. That doesn’t make me any less a catholic. Sorry to disappoint but I do believe that I follow christ when he claimed: love your neighbor.

As one nun said to me yesterday: The Gospel is about love. I agree with her. Seek love and understanding and the christian door opens wide.

 

[why_me]

yes people do have agendas. you have made yours apparent. anyone who goes to the mormon missionary forums that you keep advertising can see your devotion to joseph smith. that you continue to pretend to be catholic indicates deception on your part as well as an anticatholic bigotry in your attempts to win converts (or at least sympathizers) to mormonism. we do love all people that’s why we work so hard to keep them out of mormonism. it imperils their souls. we must warn them. catholic parents have an obligation to raise their children catholic. catholic people have an obligation to promote and defend the catholic faith for the good of ALL people. (not just the white and delightsome ones)

I try to keep an open mind. That doesn’t make me any less a catholic. I have no hatred toward any religion that works for the good of the human being. And mormonism does do that. I believe that mormons and catholics can work together to make this world a better place and I know that my view is acceptable by most catholics. I see the human being first and then the religion. I believe that mother teresa would agree.

 

[ibkc]

why me -

I asked you a while back what order your nuns you’re always referring to belong to. You ignored me. Can you answer? I am curious.

Who is your favorite saint and why?

 

[why_me]

The only thing I can sympathize with here is the anger the people in Colorado feel, as well as anybody on here.

Anybody who even tries to defend the actions of these 3 former missionaries is just as guilty of a supremacist attitude.I have no feelings except for anger against them, and I hope it haunts them for a long time to come.​

Nobody has defended the action but I do try to keep it all in perspective. It is no crime to preach from a catholic alter. It is a studid act but it is not a crime. Second, it is not a crime to offer a fake human sacrifice on a catholic alter. It is a stupid and insensitive act however. Third, it has not been determined to my knowledge if the head was broken by the missionary or if it were already broken. More will come out in the future.

How many years in prison should someone get for what the missionaries did?

 

[why_me]

why me -

I asked you a while back what order your nuns you’re always referring to belong to. You ignored me. Can you answer? I am curious.

Who is your favorite saint and why?

I do like Saint Faustina and I have read her diary. Also, when I was in Vilnius, I visited the shrine when the painting of Christ is located. Jesus, I trust in You is a good sentence to remember. But I also like Blessed Mother Teresa for her compassion and ecumenicalism.

 

[ibkc]

Second, it is not a crime to offer a fake human sacrifice on a catholic alter. It is a stupid and insensitive act however.

I’d go so far as to say it’s borderline evil.

 

[why_me]

why me -

I asked you a while back what order your nuns you’re always referring to belong to. You ignored me. Can you answer? I am curious.

Who is your favorite saint and why?

I do not want to say the convent that I am involved with but you can guess rather well from my answers.

 

[majick275]

I try to keep an open mind. That doesn’t make me any less a catholic. I have no hatred toward any religion that works for the good of the human being. And mormonism does do that. I believe that mormons and catholics can work together to make this world a better place and I know that my view is acceptable by most catholics. I see the human being first and then the religion. I believe that mother teresa would agree.

according to the catholic church it DOES make you less catholic. there is ONE church that christ founded. if you don’t believe in the creedal pronouncements on this then you are by definition not catholic by your own choice. no false doctrine or false prophet can be good for human beings. regardless of what earthly achievements they may boast of God has said it profits us nothing to gain the whole world if we lose our soul. there is only ONE way to assure salvation according the infallible teachings of the catholic church. mother teresa, great as she was has no doctrinal authority. in any case I would disagree that she thought yuo didn’t need the catholic church to go to heaven. your view is at odds with the binding doctrine of the church regardless what anyone thinks. what is also relevant is that your position is contradictory to the binding doctrine of the mormon church as well.

THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND!!!

if you don’t believe that then your beliefs aren’t catholic OR mormon and you might find what you believe amongst the universalists or such. in any case, defense of that faith requires that I point out that your position is NOT what the catholic church teaches.

 

[twopekinguys]

Nobody has defended the action but I do try to keep it all in perspective. It is no crime to preach from a catholic alter. It is a studid act but it is not a crime. Second, it is not a crime to offer a fake human sacrifice on a catholic alter. It is a stupid and insensitive act however. Third, it has not been determined to my knowledge if the head was broken by the missionary or if it were already broken. More will come out in the future.

How many years in prison should someone get for what the missionaries did?

According to the news reports I have seen, in Colorado (where this occurred), desecrating a holy, venerated or sacred object is a punishable crime. If you are as “catholic” as you try to make everyone believe, you would know that the altar (correct spelling by the way) is a holy and sacred object.

Also, newsflash for you here buddy…The parish has chosen not to pursue charges for these actions. (deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695263769,00.html)

Oh and by the way, nice sidestepping on the whole doing a reading at Easter thing, not to mention sidestepping the “what order are the nuns?” question. By the way, what was the first reading?

I’m thinking you’re talents of dancing around the issues should be on “Dancing with The Stars”.

 

[LaMar]

THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND!!!

Why Me,

When you compare the two philosophies, you have to admit that Majick is correct.

Mormonism and Catholicism are, at least as I understand the two, very similar psychologically. They require an adherent to subjugate his ego to the group and leader, and both provide some narcissistic rewards in return. (I’m paraphrasing Freud here, because I can’t put it more succinctly than he). In plain language, they are “all-or-nothing” philosophies.

I could understand your position if you were an adherent of one philosophy and an observer of the meetings of another. It seems as though you “hold callings” in both a Mormon ward and a Catholic congregation though. This does not seem rational.

The only way to have an authentic experience in both (at least from my perspective) would be to disengage from one tradition, at least so far as it put you back into observer status.

If you like Catholicism and want to “take the sacrament” in a more traditional Christian church, you can try the Episcopalians. They let other Christians and Mormons take the eucharist, and will let you volunteer without requiring confirmation. That means you can participate at nearly the level of a “member” while still being (technically) an observer.

The other option is to go inactive in your LDS ward, so that you can remain an active participant in the Catholic rites without sacrificing your own integrity. Inform your bishop that you’d like to be released from your callings and you won’t be accepting any assignments to speak. If he’s a jerk, he might decide to hold a disciplinary action, but that’s the risk you run. My bishop knows very well about my own interpretations of spirituality, and he’s fine with it, but he’s probably the exception in Mormondom. I’m sure I would be excommunicated in many wards.

In any event, it has been interesting to read your posts. It’s quite a fence you’re straddling, but ultimately it’s about what makes you happy rather than what someone else thinks you should do…

 

[majick275]

Why Me,

but ultimately it’s about what makes you happy rather than what someone else thinks you should do…

I am going to disagree with this part. If you are open and honest and join with a group that is okay with you doing what you want then that’s one thing. but to claim membership and exercise the “privileges” of membership in a group that you do not agree with seems dishonest. especially if you are actively promoting a different group with an explicitly opposed belief system.