Mormon missionaries vandalize and desecrate Catholic Shrine

  • Thread starter Thread starter Lehl
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
twopekinguys said:
I guess the Catholics are just a little bit more tolerant.
Click to expand...
I think much could be learned from that, but sometimes “the cup runneth over.”
Sometimes it could be mistaken for weakness, which of course is not always the case.😉
 
:yawn: Are we there yet?

I recall the key issue was showing respect for the beliefs of other religions in spite of any doctrinal differences.
I came in late on the discussion, but apparently there was also was a discussion regarding these three in Colorado, whether or not the disrespect was taught in the home or at church.
I hope there aren’t any more cans of cobras to be opened here by those intent on clouding the issue.😃
 
🙂

but anyway… I think the LDS church itself isn’t the issue here. I think the individuals who did this still need to apologize, especially the one who posted the photos. I also think it problematic that we the mormons that are posting on this issue (in the various places i hve seen this done) are so busy defending these guys or in some cases even attacking the catholics for this incident… why aren’t they at least in agreement that these guys were wrong and need to issue a public apology?
 
majick275 said:
🙂

but anyway… I think the LDS church itself isn’t the issue here. I think the individuals who did this still need to apologize, especially the one who posted the photos. I also think it problematic that we the mormons that are posting on this issue (in the various places i hve seen this done) are so busy defending these guys or in some cases even attacking the catholics for this incident… why aren’t they at least in agreement that these guys were wrong and need to issue a public apology?
Click to expand...
I agree. One of the three, and the church heirarchy have apologized, but not the other two.

I am sure there is alot more behind the scenes on this, than what we know now, or ever will know.
 
twopekinguys said:
I agree. One of the three, and the church heirarchy have apologized, but not the other two.

I am sure there is alot more behind the scenes on this, than what we know now, or ever will know.
Click to expand...
It has to do with $. I heard that the two who have not apologized, their families have been BIG donors to the LDS.
 
peary said:
It has to do with $. I heard that the two who have not apologized, their families have been BIG donors to the LDS.
Click to expand...
Nothing beats the Mormon rumor chain of the Wasatch Front.

I still say their biggest “sin” is an offense against the Mormon 11th commandment:
*
Thou shalt not commit bad publicity.*
 
RebeccaJ said:
Nothing beats the Mormon rumor chain of the Wasatch Front.

I still say their biggest “sin” is an offense against the Mormon 11th commandment:
*
Thou shalt not commit bad publicity.*
Click to expand...
Either way, it’s a shame that not all 3 have apologized. I truly hope money isn’t the reason.
 
I think I am bothered more by the response of mormon posters than the lack of apology even. that there is such a supermajority of mormons defending this and trying to turn into a chance to show what victims they are. then there are the few who even go further into using this to attack the catholic church. I don’t understand this refusal to say 3 individuals did a really bad thing and they should apologize. is it really that hard?
 
I have read many comments on the SL Tribune Website, it seemed at first that many comments were of contrition, then the usual internet trolls took over with their vitriol.
I wonder why the other two haven’t come forward. Maybe it’s confirmation of the cluelessness and arrogance involved.
 
majick275 said:
🙂

but anyway… I think the LDS church itself isn’t the issue here. I think the individuals who did this still need to apologize, especially the one who posted the photos. I also think it problematic that we the mormons that are posting on this issue (in the various places i hve seen this done) are so busy defending these guys or in some cases even attacking the catholics for this incident… why aren’t they at least in agreement that these guys were wrong and need to issue a public apology?
Click to expand...
Let me give you an example that happened to me recently. I was on a bus with two nuns. These sisters were not from the convent that I usually visit. We just came from a Trindentine Mass. On the bus were two mormon missionaries. One knew me. He shouted out: Why me, how is it goin? I then excused myself from the sisters and went to talk to them. Well, these two young guys were not exactly busting with maturity. They spoke in a loud voice about some of my personal things that one missionary knew. I felt a little uncomfortable. The whole conversation with them was just a little strange. Be that as it may, the bus passengers certainly knew aspects of my life that I wished they didn’t. :=)

I said goodbye to them and told the sisters that these missionaries lacked maturity (They also observed it) but as one sister said: they are young. True enough. I have noticed that male missionaries from America can lack maturity. I don’t know why but it seems that this is the case to some degree. I can blame the American culture that puts young people into xboxes, playstations and whatever gadgets that may be popular. But maturity can be in short supply for the 19 to 23 age group.

Young people act immaturely and do stupid things. It makes no difference if they are mormon missionaries, catholic missionaries and just young people in school or work. Some do stupid things.
 
Memaw said:
Its funny you should say, “You will find “bad apples” in every group.” According to Media, its mostly the Catholics that fall from grace. We are all born under the effects of “Original Sin.” Thank God for repentance and the Sacrament of Confession.
Click to expand...
Thank you. This is my point all along. We all make mistakes to one degree or another. But there is forgiveness.
 
twopekinguys said:
Either way, it’s a shame that not all 3 have apologized. I truly hope money isn’t the reason.
Click to expand...
If all three face ciminal persecution, it may be advisable to keep quiet. I am sure that lawyers will come into the picture if criminal charges have been or will be filed.
 
zerinus said:
I am with you until here. You made a slip in this one. “Valid” should have been replaced with “apostate,” so that the sentence should read:

and that would be a true statement.

zerinus
Click to expand...
I am sorry but I just can’t let this statement pass by without some clarification. Jesus founded one, (and one) church only, and that is the Holy Catholic Church. It is NOT apostate and never will be. Who founded your church, and how many years AFTER Jesus was it founded? There is NOT another denomination, other than the Catholic Church, that can truly trace its origin back to Jesus Christ. Jesus said, IAM the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE, Its time we listen to HIM and not someone that just wanted to “do their own thing.”
 
why_me said:
Debating religion and truth can be a pointless endeavor. We will know the complete truth when we die and not before that. The people who have spent soooo much time downing mormonism could use such time more constructively, like sowing love where there is hate. The prayer of saint francis comes to mind and I think it is a beautiful poem to follow in this one life that we all have on this earth:

Prayer of Saint Francis of Assisi
Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury,pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
and where there is sadness, joy.

O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek
to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive;
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. Amen

There is certainly a lot of darkness out there but this darkness is not found in mormonism but in the nihilism of the current age which is spending a lot time denying god.
Click to expand...
The TRUTH is the TRUTH, even if nobody believes it, and a lie is still a lie, even if everyone believes it. Denominations that are based on 1/2 truths, lies or someones imagination are not the TRUTH. We must all seek the TRUTH. and that comes from Jesus Christ himself.
 
why_me said:
Let me give you an example that happened to me recently. I was on a bus with two nuns. These sisters were not from the convent that I usually visit. We just came from a Trindentine Mass. On the bus were two mormon missionaries. One knew me. He shouted out: Why me, how is it goin? I then excused myself from the sisters and went to talk to them. Well, these two young guys were not exactly busting with maturity. They spoke in a loud voice about some of my personal things that one missionary knew. I felt a little uncomfortable. The whole conversation with them was just a little strange. Be that as it may, the bus passengers certainly knew aspects of my life that I wished they didn’t. :=)

I said goodbye to them and told the sisters that these missionaries lacked maturity (They also observed it) but as one sister said: they are young. True enough. I have noticed that male missionaries from America can lack maturity. I don’t know why but it seems that this is the case to some degree. I can blame the American culture that puts young people into xboxes, playstations and whatever gadgets that may be popular. But maturity can be in short supply for the 19 to 23 age group.

Young people act immaturely and do stupid things. It makes no difference if they are mormon missionaries, catholic missionaries and just young people in school or work. Some do stupid things.
Click to expand...
And your point is…??
 
why_me said:
If all three face ciminal persecution, it may be advisable to keep quiet. I am sure that lawyers will come into the picture if criminal charges have been or will be filed.
Click to expand...
In case you missed one or more of the earlier posts on this subject. The criminal investigation into this has been halted by the parish that was vandalized.

sltrib.com/ci_8651729

Essentially, two of the three of these missionaries have gotten off scott free. Only one has made any sort of apology. The other two have yet to be heard from.

By the way, I don’t know if you meant to use the word *persecution *in your statement, or if your really meant prosecution. Someone being held accountable for their actions, is not persecution. Whether it is religously based or not.

Christ was persecuted, these young could have been prosecuted. Big difference.
 
LDS commonly confuse persecution and prosecution. Remember BY and his people headed West out of what was then the US to avoid prosecution and then called it persecution.

IMHO, that Catholic parish decided to not pursue criminal charges, because to do so would imply that the LDS Church has no responsibility for what those young men did. It is a civil, not a criminal issue, against the LDS church, not against individuals.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top