Mormon/Polygamy question

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let’s look at it then:

from the BoM Jacob 2:30

*30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
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doesn’t command polygamy…doesn’t even mention the concept of polygamy. this could be a command for everyone to marry or for everyone to have children.

i think it telling to look at it in context:

scriptures.lds.org/en/jacob/2

there you can see all the reasons why polygamy is so bad. i think verse 24 very telling:

24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord. doesn’t specify “only in the wives God didn’t give them” it makes a very clear statement here.

this whole BoM scripture is contradicted when JS (after being caught sleeping around many times by counselors and his wife) needed an excuse and came up with D&C 132 which conveniently commands emma to forgive him and accept his mistresses or be destroyed. God didn’t command this. joseph smith made it up.
God did command it. as for context remember that both David and Solomon took wives beyond what they where supposed to. They where supposed to have some “extra” wives, but they went beyond what the Lord commanded.

The people of Jacobs time where trying to justify their sins by saying “David did it”. At that time the people where not commanded to have more than one wife and Jacob was calling them to repentance it was not a good place to go into the finner points of the doctrine so he simply left the reminder that God could command the practice if he chooses.

This is quite consistent with what is taught in the D&C.
 
If all women were like me, there wouldn’t even be such a word in the English (or any other ) language… because, as stated b4, there is no way in — I am going to share a man with another woman… (knowingly)…

And i think a man would have to be schizophrenic to even “want” such a thing…

Polygamy violates the whole concept of marriage… If you are going to sleep around, why not just sleep around… Why bother with “marriage”… ? It is like the homosexuals… They don’t just want to be homosexuals… they want society to approve and condone what they are doing…
I would say they are very different, but you are welcome to your views.
 
God did command it. as for context remember that both David and Solomon took wives beyond what they where supposed to. They where supposed to have some “extra” wives, but they went beyond what the Lord commanded.
Where does the bible say that David and Solomon were supposed to have some extra wives? I must have missed that part.

Paul
 
Where does the bible say that David and Solomon were supposed to have some extra wives? I must have missed that part.

Paul
Or it was removed.

It does not specifically which is yet another reason why modern revelation is so needed.
 
Or it was removed.

It does not specifically which is yet another reason why modern revelation is so needed.
So, modern revelation is needed when Joseph Smith got caught doing the nasty in the barn with 15 year-old servant-girl Fanny Alger (prior to any “sealing” or marriage btw). Oh, I see now. :rolleyes:

I’ll bet you don’t know about that incident, do you?
 
God did command it. as for context remember that both David and Solomon took wives beyond what they where supposed to. They where supposed to have some “extra” wives, but they went beyond what the Lord commanded.

The people of Jacobs time where trying to justify their sins by saying “David did it”. At that time the people where not commanded to have more than one wife and Jacob was calling them to repentance it was not a good place to go into the finner points of the doctrine so he simply left the reminder that God could command the practice if he chooses.

This is quite consistent with what is taught in the D&C.
where did god command it? you have yet to show it. your jacob “scripture” condemns david and solomon both outright for polygamy it doesn’t make an exception for “beyond what they were given”. D&C only condemns david for bathsheba and really doesn’t specify andy condemnation of solomon. (although one might see it as implied for the pagan wives)
 
Or it was removed.

It does not specifically which is yet another reason why modern revelation is so needed.
yet we have the JST of the bible that was supposed to correct any errors. the BoM is alleged to contain the “fullness of the gospel”. neither of these shows this either. what “modern revelation” COMMANDS it?
 
yet we have the JST of the bible that was supposed to correct any errors. the BoM is alleged to contain the “fullness of the gospel”. neither of these shows this either. what “modern revelation” COMMANDS it?
Its in the D&C.

The JST was not finished.

One of the most clear and often repeated messages in the BoM is that keeping the commandments of God is a good thing.
 
Its in the D&C.

The JST was not finished.

One of the most clear and often repeated messages in the BoM is that keeping the commandments of God is a good thing.
where in the D&C does it COMMAND polygamy?
the JST was so finished. ample evidence is available on that. i have a copy. the reason the LDS don’t use it is cuz the RLDS (CoC) hold the copyright. it’s quoted from all the time in LDS lesson manuals and the footnotes of the LDS KJV. so once AGAIN show me where God specifically COMMANDS polygamy.
 
So, modern revelation is needed when Joseph Smith got caught doing the nasty in the barn with 15 year-old servant-girl Fanny Alger (prior to any “sealing” or marriage btw). Oh, I see now. :rolleyes:

I’ll bet you don’t know about that incident, do you?
** Why me: As we can see from this account found on an antimormon website that the said mentioned ‘nasty affair’ was all heresay. **
 
PaulDupre;3753164:
So, modern revelation is needed when Joseph Smith got caught doing the nasty in the barn with 15 year-old servant-girl Fanny Alger (prior to any “sealing” or marriage btw). Oh, I see now. :rolleyes:

I’ll bet you don’t know about that incident, do you?
** Why me: As we can see from this account found on an antimormon website that the said mentioned ‘nasty affair’ was all heresay. **
In 1835, Emma took in their home nineteen-year-old Fanny Alger. Benjamin F. Johnson stated that Joseph loved her (Fanny) and that they were spied upon and found together. Miss Alger was the first confirmed wife of Joseph Smith. It was reported that the sealing took place in a barn on the hay mow and was secretly witnessed by Emma peeking through the door.

In an 1872 letter, McLellin gave other details about this incident. He said that Emma found both Joseph and Fanny missing one night and went to go look for them. She “saw him and Fanny in the barn together alone. She looked through the crack and saw the transaction.” (Letter from William E. McLellin to Joseph Smith III, dated July 1872).

The “hearsay” of more than one person…what would that be called? Corroborated testimony?

“Joseph kept his marriage to Fanny out of the view of the public, and his wife Emma. Chauncey Webb recounts Emma’s later discovery of the relationship: “Emma was furious, and drove the girl, who was unable to conceal the consequences of her celestial relation with the prophet, out of her house”. Ann Eliza again recalls: “…it was felt that [Emma] certainly must have had some very good reason for her action. By degrees it became whispered about that Joseph’s love for his adopted daughter was by no means a paternal affection, and his wife, discovering the fact, at once took measures to place the girl beyond his reach…Since Emma refused decidedly to allow her to remain in her house…my mother offered to take her until she could be sent to her relatives…”
Book of Mormon witness, Oliver Cowdery, felt the relationship was something other than a marriage. He referred to it as “A dirty, nasty, filthy affair…” To calm rumors regarding Fanny’s relationship with Joseph, the church quickly adopted a “Chapter of Rules for Marriage among the Saints”, which declared, “Inasmuch as this church of Christ has been reproached with…polygamy; we declare that we believe, that one man should have one wife…” This “Article on Marriage” was canonized and published in the Doctrine & Covenants. In 1852, the doctrine of polygamy was publicly announced, thus ending eighteen years of secret practice. “The Article on Marriage” became obsolete and was later removed.” (The Wives of Joseph Smith)
 
If you account for the hocus pocus of obviously doctored statements (such as Martin Harris referring to “Joe” Smith") and read the entire account, you’ll see that what Emma saw through a crack in the barn was not hanky panky but rather a marriage ceremony:

“If Smith did take a plural wife in Kirtland during the early 1830s under such a system, the woman was likely Fanny Alger. McLellin’s 1872 letter described Alger’s relationship with Smith. “Again I told [your mother],” the former apostle wrote, that “I heard that one night she missed Joseph and Fanny Alger. She went to the barn and saw him and Fanny in the barn together alone. She looked through a crack and saw the transaction!!! She told me this story too was verily true.” McLellin also detailed the Alger incident to a newspaper reporter for the 6 October 1875 Salt Lake Tribune. The reporter stated that McLellin informed him of the exact place “where the first well authenticated case of polygamy took place.” According to the article, the marriage occurred “in a barn on the hay mow, and was witnessed by Mrs. Smith through a crack in the door!”” (Richard S. Van Wagoner, Mormon Polygamy, p.5, and Danel Bachman A STUDY OF THE MORMON PRACTICE OF PLURAL MARRIAGE BEFORE THE DEATH OF JOSEPH SMITH, 1975, Purdue Univ.)

Alma
 
If you account for the hocus pocus of obviously doctored statements (such as Martin Harris referring to “Joe” Smith") and read the entire account, you’ll see that what Emma saw through a crack in the barn was not hanky panky but rather a marriage ceremony:

“If Smith did take a plural wife in Kirtland during the early 1830s under such a system, the woman was likely Fanny Alger. McLellin’s 1872 letter described Alger’s relationship with Smith. “Again I told [your mother],” the former apostle wrote, that “I heard that one night she missed Joseph and Fanny Alger. She went to the barn and saw him and Fanny in the barn together alone. She looked through a crack and saw the transaction!!! She told me this story too was verily true.” McLellin also detailed the Alger incident to a newspaper reporter for the 6 October 1875 Salt Lake Tribune. The reporter stated that McLellin informed him of the exact place “where the first well authenticated case of polygamy took place.” According to the article, the marriage occurred “in a barn on the hay mow, and was witnessed by Mrs. Smith through a crack in the door!”” (Richard S. Van Wagoner, Mormon Polygamy, p.5, and Danel Bachman A STUDY OF THE MORMON PRACTICE OF PLURAL MARRIAGE BEFORE THE DEATH OF JOSEPH SMITH, 1975, Purdue Univ.)

Alma
So…to why me McLellin is hearsay, but to you it is documented proof of a marriage. Yet, there is no documented proof of a marriage. Only proof that JS hid is relationship with this girl from his wife Emma, and when they were found out, suddenly its all about God commanding Smith to practice plural marriage.

Meanwhile, Smith is publishing in the D&C that the Mormon doctrine is one man and one wife.

Lies, all around. Are you sure this is the sort of behavior you want to justify as “godly”.
 
why me;3754315:
PaulDupre;3753164:
So, modern revelation is needed when Joseph Smith got caught doing the nasty in the barn with 15 year-old servant-girl Fanny Alger (prior to any “sealing” or marriage btw). Oh, I see now. :rolleyes:

I’ll bet you don’t know about that incident, do you?

The “hearsay” of more than one person…what would that be called? Corroborated testimony?

"Joseph kept his marriage to Fanny out of the view of the public, and his wife Emma. Chauncey Webb recounts Emma’s later discovery of the relationship: “Emma was furious, and drove the girl, who was unable to conceal the consequences of her celestial relation with the prophet, out of her house”
. Ann Eliza again recalls: “…it was felt that [Emma] certainly must have had some very good reason for her action.* By degrees it became whispered about that Joseph’s love for his adopted daughter was by no means a paternal affection, ***and his wife, discovering the fact, at once took measures to place the girl beyond his reach…Since Emma refused decidedly to allow her to remain in her house…my mother offered to take her until she could be sent to her relatives…”
Book of Mormon witness, **Oliver Cowdery, felt the relationship was something other than a marriage. ** He referred to it as “A dirty, nasty, filthy affair…” To calm rumors regarding Fanny’s relationship with Joseph, the church quickly adopted a “Chapter of Rules for Marriage among the Saints”, which declared, “Inasmuch as this church of Christ has been reproached with…polygamy; we declare that we believe, that one man should have one wife…” This “Article on Marriage” was canonized and published in the Doctrine & Covenants. In 1852, the doctrine of polygamy was publicly announced, thus ending eighteen years of secret practice. “The Article on Marriage” became obsolete and was later removed." (The Wives of Joseph Smith)

Whispered and felt are dead giveaways…🙂
 
If you account for the hocus pocus of obviously doctored statements (such as Martin Harris referring to “Joe” Smith") and read the entire account, you’ll see that what Emma saw through a crack in the barn was not hanky panky but rather a marriage ceremony

Alma
And the dirty nasty affair could have been polygamy, something that Oliver disagreed with.
 
RebeccaJ;3754486:
why me;3754484:
Fanny left the area with her parents. A short time later she married and bore nine children with her husband. Fanny’s marriage to JS was a sealing and this is why fanny could marry her future husband without a hitch.

No pregnant belly for fanny with JS.
I’ve read the entire account, not just what is at the Wives of Joseph Smith website. Emma chased the girl out of her house with a broom because of her obvious pregnancy.

She was sent to live with relatives in another town, which was a common practice for girls who were pregnant and not married.

*“Emma was furious, and drove the girl, who was unable to conceal the consequences of her celestial relation with the prophet, out of her house”
 
why me;3754500:
RebeccaJ;3754486:
I’ve read the entire account, not just what is at the Wives of Joseph Smith website. Emma chased the girl out of her house with a broom because of her obvious pregnancy.

She was sent to live with relatives in another town, which was a common practice for girls who were pregnant and not married.

*“Emma was furious, and drove the girl, who was unable to conceal the consequences of her celestial relation with the prophet, out of her house”
Nope, you got that one wrong. No record of a child with JS but plenty of children with her future husband. She seemed to have a happy life and later when asked about her relationship with JS by one of her children, responded: that is a matter for her alone.

You should follow her advice. 🙂
 
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