Mormon PR Campaign: Do Good Individuals Equal A Good Church?

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RebeccaJ said:
That assumption and premise does not apply to anything I’ve said.

No religion, other than LDS, is founded on a its god calling all other religions “an abomination”.
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All the gods of the pagans are demons.
Psalm 95:5
 
Jim_Dandy said:
Yep. Original Christianity couldn’t even make it for more than a century. Apostasy, you know. The New Testament was selected from among her own writings and canonized at the end of the fourth century by an apostate church. Imagine that. In spite of His best efforts, God couldn’t keep his Church together, and He didn’t try it again until ole Joe Smith came along – the only man for the job, a treasure seeker who could see things through magic stones in his hat – in the 19th century. Funny thing is, ole Joe used that apostate church’s own writings as his NT.

If the first Church failed, how do we know the second one hasn’t gone into apostasy? There’s no record of the first apostasy – so how will we know about the second one? God’s track record with churches is not very good, if you believe the LDS. God made a mistake, huh? Yeah, sure. 😛

Jim Dandy
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It does sound like a very contrived conspiracy. We all know that the LDS leadership has backed away from calling the Catholic the “great and abominable church”, but in all honesty, is there any other church it could be?
 
pookiebear364 said:
. . . but there are a couple of things I think our Church could study, learn, and apply to our Church Body. The program they have for the poor, underemployed and disabled is better than ANY program out there,.
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What I learned about Mormons in my part of the world (not Utah) is that they are inclusive–they help each other (other Mormons that is), but that’s pretty much where it ends. What I like about the Catholic Church is their charitable institutions are world-wide and help everyone. I can’t imagine Jesus (or Mother Teresa for that matter) asking for your temple recommend before you could get food to eat or clothes to wear.
 
scipio337 said:
It does sound like a very contrived conspiracy. We all know that the LDS leadership has backed away from calling the Catholic the “great and abominable church”, but in all honesty, is there any other church it could be?
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Nope! 1 Nephi is clearly referring to the Catholic Church, which Joe Smith called, in the Book of Mormon, the “mother of abominations” and the “whore of all the earth.” It goes back to that ridiculous “whore of Babylon” allegation first made by Martin Luther. It’s revisionist Mormonism to deny it. The charge that the Church removed “many plain and precious things” from the Bible is the most outrageous.

Every Catholic should read Isaiah Bennett’s Inside Mormonism. He was a priest who fell for the LDS arguments and became a Mormon. After he realized it was a fraud, he returned to the Catholic Church and has devoted himself to educating others. His book is available from Catholic Answers. He also has several articles on line. Just google his name.

Peace, Jim Dandy
 
SedesDomi said:
All the gods of the pagans are demons.
Psalm 95:5
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For the gods of the nations all do nothing, but the LORD made the heavens.
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In the context of the entire Psalm, it is praising the One True God.

In the context of Jewish belief, my understanding is that Jews believe Jews should be Jews, who follow the One True God. While, gentiles can follow whatever god(s) they like.

There is no statement in there that matches to the doctrines of Mormonism.

RC belief is that those outside the Church will be judged according to how they adhere to what they, themselves, believe about God. Even if that understanding lacks any knowledge of Jesus, or that knowledge is incomplete or in error.

Our doctrines are built on the foundation of Jesus Christ. Our Hope is Him. It is not on a claim that all other religions are an abomination.
 
sparkletina said:
What I learned about Mormons in my part of the world (not Utah) is that they are inclusive–they help each other (other Mormons that is), but that’s pretty much where it ends. What I like about the Catholic Church is their charitable institutions are world-wide and help everyone. I can’t imagine Jesus (or Mother Teresa for that matter) asking for your temple recommend before you could get food to eat or clothes to wear.
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Very true sparkletina. My own personal experience was this:

I was almost 5 months pregnant with my first child when I was restricted to bed for the remaining months of my pregnancy. I had been the sole bread earner in my marriage at the time. My ex-husband was going to college.

We called the LDS church and we were inactive at the time. The relief society president showed up at our apartment and asked how they could help. At the end of her visit, she informed us that we needed to come to church and pay our tithing for three months before the church would step in and help us.

I was unwilling to risk my life and the life of my daughter to do that. We applied for state aid instead and I delivered a healthy baby girl 4 months later.

When I was abandoned by my husband about 9 months later, in another location in Utah, I did get a lot of help from the church. Then I was assigned (given a calling) by the bishop of the ward as Primary secretary.

Steph
 
Todd520 said:
Regarding LDS, there are obviously quotes of some people saying negative things about Catholics, but they are a few drops compared the large body of water that teaches Christian morals and behavior
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LDS teaching is not Christian. Christianity’s foundation is monotheism, like Judaism. Mormonism’s foundation is polytheism (or henotheism). The LDS “trinity” is three separate Gods united in a common purpose, rather than one God in three Persons. The LDS “Heavenly Father” is flesh and bones, and was once a man like us. The God of Christianity is pure spirit. The Christ the LDS proclaim is Satan’s brother, not the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. They can teach “morals and behavior” all they wish but it’s definitely not Christian! Mormonism was founded by a man, Joseph Smith, in Palmyra, New York, in 1830 and is doomed to go the way of all heresies. Christianity – i.e., the Catholic Church – was founded by the God-Man, Jesus Christ, in A.D. 33, in Jerusalem, and will end when time ends. That’s only a few of the reasons the Mormon religion is not Christian.

Jim Dandy
 
tundramom said:
We called the LDS church and we were inactive at the time. The relief society president showed up at our apartment and asked how they could help. At the end of her visit, she informed us that we needed to come to church and pay our tithing for three months before the church would step in and help us.
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Steph, your experience was exactly what I have perceived over the years, for example:

I worked with quite a few Mormons. One of my colleagues was a Mormon high elder or something high up in his ward or stake. Very nice guy and we got along well. My best friend at the time had been proselytized by him and an LDS bishop we also worked with, and baptized into their church. Several years later, he was in hospital seriously ill (months later he died). Naturally, after he got out of ICU, I visited him. My friend got there before me, and I sensed he enjoyed the company as we talked about what was going on in the office since he got sick. Next day, my friend mentioned that our LDS friend had been quite shocked that I spent a couple hours with him. I said, “Why? You were there too! Why was he surprised that I would visit?” Her answer says it all: “Oh, because I’m LDS; we’re supposed to. But you don’t.” Exactly! Because if the shoe were on the other foot, not being LDS, I don’t think he (or the bishop) would have wasted their time visiting me! But I went to him in his time of need, not because he belonged to my church, but because…he was human being!

I am not saying that every parish is capable of handling all the requests that come their way. But they can send those in need to Catholic charitable agencies that will help them without asking what their religious affiliation is.

Good thing Jesus didn’t require the woman at the well to show religious ID, otherwise she’d have been completely out of luck. Luckily for her, Steph, she didn’t have to pay up her tithing to be granted the Living Water she unconsciously sought from God.
 
tundramom said:
Very true sparkletina. My own personal experience was this:

We called the LDS church and we were inactive at the time. The relief society president showed up at our apartment and asked how they could help. At the end of her visit, she informed us that we needed to come to church and pay our tithing for three months before the church would step in and help us.

When I was abandoned by my husband about 9 months later, in another location in Utah, I did get a lot of help from the church. Then I was assigned (given a calling) by the bishop of the ward as Primary secretary.

Steph
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Wow, that is terrible. I lived in Utah for about 5 years and was very high up in management of the church’s outside law firm. I can tell you for a fact that my bishop (he considered himself my bishop even though I have never been mormon) was always willing to help. He was everything you would expect a local level representative of a church to be. When things got bad (many things in Utah are VERY different from the outside world. What the heck is a swamp cooler?!?) there was always a neighbor missionary there to help.

Now, I did know of a case where a man was not allowed to be in the temple with his granddaughter at her blessing (not sure if that is the right term) because he was behind in tithe but most people I met were very nice and helpful. Some of the men I’m proudest to have known were not only Mormons, but were Mormon lawyers! :eek:
 
I’ve lived in UT my whole life. Raised LDS. All of my family are LDS. Most of my neighbors, etc. etc.

My own family, are very helpful to me, and to LDS members. It is rarer for LDS to reach out to non-LDS. I don’t think it is because the individuals are insular. I only see that the way the LDS structures their faith communities (wards), that unless you are in the circle of this community in some way, either through LDS neighbors that include you, or LDS coworkers, well, you are outside of it.

Even then, you will experience some LDS who reach out and retreat when they perceive you have no interest in participation in their religion.

One woman I work with (non-LDS) is very active in the Mormon ward where she lives. She cracks me up, but she wants to be involved with her neighbors and the only way to do so is to participate in their religion.
 
cthulhubryan said:
Wow, that is terrible. I lived in Utah for about 5 years and was very high up in management of the church’s outside law firm. I can tell you for a fact that my bishop (he considered himself my bishop even though I have never been mormon) was always willing to help. He was everything you would expect a local level representative of a church to be. When things got bad (many things in Utah are VERY different from the outside world. What the heck is a swamp cooler?!?) there was always a neighbor missionary there to help.

Now, I did know of a case where a man was not allowed to be in the temple with his granddaughter at her blessing (not sure if that is the right term) because he was behind in tithe but most people I met were very nice and helpful. Some of the men I’m proudest to have known were not only Mormons, but were Mormon lawyers! :eek:
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I grew up in Utah and lived there my whole life until i moved here to Minnesota.

The Relief Society incident happened in St. George and the good Bishop was in Mapleton. 🤷

Steph
 
tundramom said:
I grew up in Utah and lived there my whole life until i moved here to Minnesota.

The Relief Society incident happened in St. George and the good Bishop was in Mapleton. 🤷

Steph
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People can be nasty…and wrong. The problem is, people always remember the one bad thing and completely dismiss the good, even when the good overwhelms, in quality and quantity, the bad.

I note, for instance, that you seem to define your LDS experience by the one bad one…and just toss off the later, good one; a sop to something.

Here’s the problem with LDS charitble works: we are damned if we talk about it, and damned if we don’t; if we TELL everybody all the good things we do, in press releases and such, then we are castigated as hypocrites; of doing things just to present ourselves better. If we do NOT talk about it, if we don’t show people who we are and what we do, then nobody knows–and it is then assumed that we do nothing–and we get what is being handed out in this thread (both viewpoints.) .

In the eyes of the critics, then, it’s not possible to win.

Therefore—I figure that we should simply do what we do, and if nobody else likes the way we do things…

Too bad.
 
SirThomasMore said:
Mormons are among the finest people I know. I am sure even some of the very rude ones we have seen here are really good people off the computer. They have good valuies, good family values, and are hard workers.

The issue is not the people. The issue is the god they worship and the prophet they follow.
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Hi All, there is no doubt that most mormons are “good people”, however being a “good person” has very little to do with following Jesus. His followers are good but believe that it is his doing that grants salvation not ours. I believe that the same lie told by satan to Eve is the one told to J Smith and his followers. Go ahead take a bite and you too can be a god. I was an “investagator,” back in the 70`s and how any person grounded in history or that thinks for himself could really believe all the ever changing fairy tales of mormonism. Any serious study of the life of the con man smith would certainly raise red flags as to any thing the man said. Strange how a new doctrine was invented after the fact. Plural marriage after he got a teenage girl pregnant. Blood atonement after 200 settlers were killed and their goods taken. Indian lands taken after they were “baptized in there own blood”.
We must love all people, and in so doing witness to those buying the “BIG LIE”, you to can be gods. There is only one God, not many, and those mormons gone on to judgement wish us to tell their brothers, reject satan and his lies and come home to the only true church on the earth, the ONE HOLY APOSTOLIC CATHOLIC CHURCH. Blessings. Garland
 
IMHO

Good people are essential but not sufficient for a Good Church
Creating Good people requires education and community
Every parish/ward must deliver these benefits, or it is failing to make Good people (not a Good Church)
 
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