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SteveVH
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My point exactly.
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andrewstx
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Gazelam, after reading your most recent post I am confused. It seems to say that to achieve the highest degree of heaven it is mandatory to be married “for time and all eternity”?
I personally believe in only one heaven, one degree.
Anyway, what if one is not married? Surely Mormons realize that all people are not carbon copies of each other. Does this mean that I who was a Franciscan Friar and remained chaste cannot attain the highest degree of heaven?
Is the reason that Mormons so object to homosexuals, they want everyone to be temple married so that all can reach the highest degree of heaven?
I personally believe in only one heaven, one degree.
Anyway, what if one is not married? Surely Mormons realize that all people are not carbon copies of each other. Does this mean that I who was a Franciscan Friar and remained chaste cannot attain the highest degree of heaven?
Is the reason that Mormons so object to homosexuals, they want everyone to be temple married so that all can reach the highest degree of heaven?
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twopekinguys
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I have said it before, and I will say it again. They are going to accept gay marriage before alot of other denominations, not to mention the Catholic Church.
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Judas_Thaddeus
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No, not the LDS, their doctrine cannot allow that. In a way they have
MORE reason not to allow it, invalid reasons, but more nonetheless.
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LivingWaters7
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I agree.
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TexanKnight
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will gay marriage mean that the practice of polygamy will resurrect? (remember, the DOCTRINE is still valid, just not the practice). After all, their ban was only to having more than one WIFE…
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Randy_Carson
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Yes.
christianpost.com/news/polygamists-celebrate-doma-ruling-does-gay-marriage-open-the-door-for-polygamy-98954/
Now it begins…it all begins.
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iepuras
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In my opinion, this is why LDS leadership has been so against gay marriage. They don’t want to open the door to polygamy being legal. If polygamy becomes legal, there is no way the LDS general authorities can prohibit the practice. They would have to allow it because it is still doctrine. The illegality of polygamy was the reason cited that the practice ended. (We’ll forget the fact that polygamy was always illegal, even when Joseph Smith started taking plural wives.)
If the practice of practice of polygamy were to return, the LDS church would have a huge problem on their hands. I believe women would leave the LDS church in droves. Polygamy is the big elephant in the room that every one ignores. It causes major cognitive dissonance in the minds of LDS women. Most women tell themselves that God would never command their husbands to take plural wives, even in the Celestial Kingdom. If polygamy were to return, the women would have to deal with the reality of the doctrine. What would happen if their husbands decided they wanted a new model?
The women are the ones who keep the LDS church going even though they end up with a raw deal according to LDS doctrine.
Even though it may be a contrarian view, I completely agree with twopekinguys. The LDS church will allow gay marriage at some point. It probably won’t be for a while. At a minimum, Boyd K. Packer needs to pass away. The younger generation is more agreeable to gay marriage. I would think that the LDS general authorities wouldn’t be able to do it until most of the Baby Boom generation is gone. It will be a lot like what happened in 1978.
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twopekinguys
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There is no need to “resurrect” plural marriage. The practice never really stopped. They are marrying people for time and eternity all over the place.
Several high church leaders were still getting sealed after the manifesto was issued. Plus, they got busted for it.
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iepuras
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A friend of mine is, according to the LDS church, married to a polygamist. She is still “sealed for time and all eternity” to her ex-husband and has not had a cancellation of the sealing. She has a legal divorce but is still sealed to her ex-husband because she has not remarried to a man she can be sealed to in the temple. He has since married wife #2 in the temple for time and all eternity. My friend’s situation is not all that uncommon. Wife #2 is also really upset that she is wife #2.
It makes me wonder what would happen to a man who 1) is civilly divorced from wife #1 but still sealed to her; 2) is sealed to wife #2 ;and 3) has sex with ex-wife/sealed wife #1. Would it really be adultery? I would argue that it is not adultery since the sealing is still valid. Fun to think about.
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SteveVH
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Not if you had to defend it.
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Randy_Carson
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If polygamy becomes legal, a Mormon prophet will have a revelation…like when blacks were suddenly allowed in a few years ago.
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RebeccaJ
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Marrying another while still married is committing adultery.
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iepuras
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In real life, you are correct. It is adultery. But according to LDS doctrine, it is technically not adultery as he is still sealed for time and all eternity to both women.
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SteveVH
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Exactly. No matter how one tries to get around this, there is always the simple truth.
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gazelam
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One could also argue that Jesus “bowed” to political pressure when it came time to pay the temple tribute. (It was also an opportunity teach Peter, of course.) He chose not to take a stand in this particular case. There are other examples in scripture where a stand is taken. Each case is unique and calls for divine guidance to know how to proceed.
Matthew 17:24-27 (KJV)
24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?
25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?
26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.
27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.
Stephen168
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what was Jesus’ teaching before?
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gazelam
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Ugh!! These are sincere and thoughtful questions and I hope I’m up to the task here.
1 Corinthians 15:40-42 (KJV)
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
Just curious, how does someone who takes a vow to remain chaste reconcile that choice with the commandment given to Adam and Eve to multiply and replenish the Earth? And what about 1 Corinthians 11:11? (KJV) Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
Here is a link to the LDS Proclamation on the family lds.org/topics/family-proclamation
Here is a link to a blog of a gay Mormon male married to a straight Mormon female. joshweed.com/
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Your understanding is correct.
LDS believe there are many different places for people to go in the afterlife depending on well they kept God’s commandments. Basically there are gradations of glory between the most hellish destination and the most heavenly destination.
1 Corinthians 15:40-42 (KJV)
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
LDS believe that all will be judged based on the knowledge they had in mortality. LDS believe that those who did not have the opportunity to marry in this life will be given the opportunity in the next life. LDS believe that all children who died before they were accountable for their actions will automatically receive all the blessings God has in store for His most righteous followers.
Just curious, how does someone who takes a vow to remain chaste reconcile that choice with the commandment given to Adam and Eve to multiply and replenish the Earth? And what about 1 Corinthians 11:11? (KJV) Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
Mormons believe that sexual behavior should only occur between husband and wife legally and lawfully married. Mormons don’t object to homosexuals per se. Any homosexual keeping the commandments will be in full fellowship. There is a new LDS website mormonsandgays.org to address issues and reach out if you will. Mormons certainly want everyone to reach the highest degree of heaven.
Here is a link to the LDS Proclamation on the family lds.org/topics/family-proclamation
Here is a link to a blog of a gay Mormon male married to a straight Mormon female. joshweed.com/
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debbie_h
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We were taught in my YW class that the ‘sacred ordinance’ of polygamy will return when The Lord decides we are ready to faithfully accept & follow this practice in society.
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Randy_Carson
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How did the ladies you knew feel about the idea of sharing a husband someday?
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