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not exactly. black people have always been able to join the LDS church but until 1978 they had a lower status in that they could not hold the preisthood or go obtain temple marriages or temple endowments. Brigham young appears to be the one who was most hardcore on getting this started and it was promoted as divinely inspired right up through apostle mark e petersen quite publicly. spencer kimball ended it with his official declaration in 1978. in it he never says it was wrong or is being corrected in fact he supports the previous stance by claiming in effect that the restriction was always was supposed to end some day and that day finally came.I thought blacks could only join the Mormon church because JFK made it ilegal for them not to admit them.
This means that not only is the mormon god an incompetant fool who gets his time line muddled up, but the mormon god also had to bow to the American constitutuion.
How can anyone believe that nonsense? :
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Human spirits/souls are different than the Angels, Mormons believe they co-exist with the Angels until a “human” decides when they want to be born and into what family…unfortuneatly, I have a brother who is a Bishop in the Mormon church and a sister who ia also Mormon…I have asked those questions, and these are the answers…I also have the Book of Mormon…it makes for interesting reading, if read as a novel…
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What mormons believe about angels, from lds.org:
We learn from latter-day revelation that there are two classes of heavenly beings who minister for the Lord: those who are spirits and those who have bodies of flesh and bone. Spirits are those beings who either have not yet obtained a body of flesh and bone (unembodied), or who have once had a mortal body and have died, and are awaiting the resurrection (disembodied). Ordinarily the word angel means those ministering persons who have a body of flesh and bone, being either resurrected from the dead (reembodied), or else translated, as were Enoch, Elijah, etc.
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The word angel is used in various ways. A person who is a divine messenger is called an angel. Thus Moroni, John the Baptist, Peter, James, John, Moses, Elijah, and Elias all ministered to Joseph Smith as angels. These all shall be exalted and inherit celestial glory. The scriptures also speak of another class of persons who, because of failure to obey the gospel, will not be exalted and will become angels in eternity. These are spoken of as angels in Matt. 22: 29-30 and D&C 132: 16-18. This latter designation should not be confused with the use of the term angels having reference to the heavenly messengers sent forth to minister to the inhabitants of the earth.
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mormons believe angels are people the same as us. there are onlty two types in mormon theology, those waiting to be born (technically three since the “fallen” angels will never get born) and those who have already lived and died. ( of these some are spirits only, some have been resurrected already and some have been “translated” meaning they were resurrected without dying. Enoch being an example)
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I thought blacks could only join the Mormon church because JFK made it ilegal for them not to admit them.
East Anglican:This means that not only is the mormon god an incompetant fool who gets his time line muddled up, but the mormon god also had to bow to the American constitutuion.
The mormon god bowed to the US Supreme Court back in the days before ‘Deseret’ applied for statehood as Utah.
The US government was suing the mormon sect (Brigham Young was the named defendant) for the practice of bigamy: illegal in the United States.
He of course had a vision from his ‘god,’ and NEW mormon infallible dogma was changed once again (surprise, surprise, surprise)
And so it goes with the weirdest sect outside of Islam…
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This gets more and more “interesting” by the second. So there is technically no such thing as Angels (as Christianity understands them) with LDS theology…there are only “spirit children”??
From that link that Rebecca posted a few posts previous it says this:
In latter-day revelation we learn that the angel Michael is Adam, and the angel Gabriel is Noah (HC 3: 386).
WHAT…I have never heard of this Gabriel thing before.
What is this “HC” book and is it Scripture?
Angels do not have wings (HC 3: 392).
This is bizarre, there are explicit references to cherubim and seraphs having wings in the Bible.
Come to think of it, how can the angel Michael be Adam if Adam is supposedly his own unique pre-existing spirit?
From that link that Rebecca posted a few posts previous it says this:
In latter-day revelation we learn that the angel Michael is Adam, and the angel Gabriel is Noah (HC 3: 386).
WHAT…I have never heard of this Gabriel thing before.What is this “HC” book and is it Scripture?
Angels do not have wings (HC 3: 392).
This is bizarre, there are explicit references to cherubim and seraphs having wings in the Bible.
Come to think of it, how can the angel Michael be Adam if Adam is supposedly his own unique pre-existing spirit?
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WOW, I just came across the so called “Joseph Smith Translation” page on lds.org. Basically he went through the Bible and changed whatever didnt sound right to him:
scriptures.lds.org/en/jst/contents
Look at this as ONE of MANY MANY “modifications” to the Bible:
scriptures.lds.org/en/jst/55
The original talks about how St John the Baptist was the “Elijah” that was to come in the New Testament, the Joseph Smith Translation says there are TWO "Elijah"s that are to come:** Two Eliases were to come—one to prepare and one to restore.** (compare Matthew 17: 11-13)
This is blatant addition to the Scriptures of the most preposterous levels!!
scriptures.lds.org/en/jst/contents
Look at this as ONE of MANY MANY “modifications” to the Bible:
scriptures.lds.org/en/jst/55
The original talks about how St John the Baptist was the “Elijah” that was to come in the New Testament, the Joseph Smith Translation says there are TWO "Elijah"s that are to come:** Two Eliases were to come—one to prepare and one to restore.** (compare Matthew 17: 11-13)
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10 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things, as the prophets have written.
11 And again I say unto you that Elias has come already, concerning whom it is written, Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and they knew him not, and have done unto him, whatsoever they listed.
12 Likewise shall also the Son of Man suffer of them.
13 But I say unto you, Who is Elias? Behold, this is Elias, whom I send to prepare the way before me.
14 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist, **and also of another who should come and restore all things, as it is written by the prophets.**
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PaulDupre
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History of the Church. It is an officially recognized LDS history and is full of little-known statements and writings by the “prophets” of Mormonism.
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PaulDupre
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LDS scripture is full of Joseph Smith receiving revelations about how great and important Joseph Smith is. The guy was really stuck on himself.
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East_Anglican
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I think Mormonism is far more wierd than Islam. Muslims believe in one God, Mormons beleive in billions of them. It’s more wierd than Hinduism too. It’s completely pagan.
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Rbt_Southwell
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East Anglican:
The cognitive dissonance of the mormons is an example of what happens when people accept, without critical inquiry, the tenets of their sect.
When confronted with their own ‘scripture’ and what it says, I have noticed mormon posters changing the argument to “But we support the family,” and “Mormons avoid drugs and alcohol!]”
Of course, it DOESN’T matter what the day to day life of a typical “mormon” family is, what matters is what they BELIEVE.
Even hitler’s minions had loving families. Whoopee.
And this obvious point is lost on them.
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I’m still waiting for Zakuska or some other Mormon to show a reference for this claim.
Any takers? I notice that Zakuska has not been heard from since I asked him for a reference.
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We support the family and avoid drugs too.
OK so they don’t drink tea and coffee. Niether did Hitler.
I could never give up drinking tea as an Englishman without giving up my nationality.
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East_Anglican
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The Greek Petros translated in English as Peter menas ‘Rock’ or ‘Stone’ Hence from it we get the English word ‘Petrified’ meaning ‘frozen solid like a stone or rock.’I’m still waiting for Zakuska or some other Mormon to show a reference for this claim.
Any takers? I notice that Zakuska has not been heard from since I asked him for a reference.
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If any proffessor of Greek says it means anything differant, then they should be sacked by the university.
I have reason to believe Zakusa has lost the argument.
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PaulDupre
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Poor Zakuska was probably just innocently repeating a lie he had been told at the Mormon church. I hope he looked for references and now knows that he was lied to. Maybe he will now start recognizing more lies told by the Mormons.
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