Mormons baptize the popes

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Yeah…That’s the problem, you see. Mormons are NOT Christians.
Also, they don’t recognize Catholics (or Protestants, or anybody but themselves) as Christian.
Look at it like this: How would you like it, if I came over there, gathered up the names of all your ancestors, and had them “converted” to being Methodists?
You’d be upset at my nerve…and rightly so.
Yes Mormons recognize other denominations as Christians, they believe they are the only “true church” directly receiving power from Christ and that all others are apostate but they do recognize others as Christians. ALSO! No one is converted by being post-humously baptized; as I stated earlier they believe it gives you the CHOICE after you have died to receive their teachings and then become a part of their church.
 
Dear Chewchoo and Jeanette,

Thanks for your comments. It is time to hear from our Mormon brothers/sisters regarding this interesting posthumous baptism.
 
Yes Mormons recognize other denominations as Christians, they believe they are the only “true church” directly receiving power from Christ and that all others are apostate but they do recognize others as Christians. ALSO! No one is converted by being post-humously baptized; as I stated earlier they believe it gives you the CHOICE after you have died to receive their teachings and then become a part of their church.
That is my understanding as well. As I said in my post regarding why it bothers me, it is because of historical records that are not clear on what they mean/represent. If I were doing research on someone and came across a baptism record for a particular church I would believe that meant that person was a member of that church. Unless you are paying attention you will miss the fact that the dates don’t line up birth>death>baptism as opposed to birth>baptism>death. Unless it was put in their will that they be baptized, which of course from looking at the records one would not know this, it was not that person’s decision. It’s in my view a corruption of that person’s history and life story. In a sense it’s a lie by omission. If you are going to do this kind of thing be very clear what is and how it happened or keep the information locked away in your own private vault so that the world at large doesn’t get an incomplete view of the dead person’s history. It’s in my opinion wrong to have the whole story and not provide it. 🤷

As far as recognizing others as Christian that’s debatable. Christians (in the historic sense, in my opinion also the correct sense) view what makes a person Christian is their baptism and faith in Jesus Christ as savior. To my knowledge all Christians recognize each others baptisms so long as it conforms to their recognized mode of baptism (immersion vs sprinkle, infant vs age of reason, invocation of the Trinity in all cases). From my experience a Baptist church will acknowledge the baptism of a Catholic if said Catholic was baptized as an adult and fully immersed. While the Catholic church will recognize any faiths baptism so long as the will was there to be baptized and that the Trinity was invoked with correct understanding. While the LDS will not under any circumstance that I have ever heard or seen will accept the baptism of any other church period. Because it is baptism that says one is Christian, to not recognize ones baptism from another church is to say “We do not recognize you as Christian”. So why don’t they accept other baptisms? Because the other churches do not have the “true” priesthood. Which again says we don’t recognize you as Christian because the people teaching you about Christ had incomplete, erroneous, invalid knowledge and authority. It’s like calling oneself a medical doctor without a degree. Sure you can call yourself a doctor but don’t expect anyone else to accept it. Which is also why many many denominations view the COJCOLDS as not being Christian. The Catholic church defined the word “Christian” 2000 years ago (give or take 50 years). The COJCOLDS tried to redefine it 178 years ago. I’ll stick with the original definition. 😛
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I kind of liken this to the Jewish people who got upset when the Church declared Edith Stein a Saint. They said that she died at Auschwitz b/c she was Jew, so the Church shouldn’t have declared her a Catholic Saint (never mind she was nun! :confused: ). There are also some Jews who are protesting Pope Pius XII’s cause for canonization, as they (wrongly) believe he was, at best, “silent” during the Holocaust, and at worst, an anti-semite who collaborated w/ Hitler. My opinion of this is-what right does any nonCatholic have telling the Church who she can and can’t declare Saints? Mind you own business! :tsktsk: It’s the same w/ the “necro-dunking” (:rotfl: ). The LDS have a right to perform their post-mortem baptism on whoever they want. It’s annoying, yes, and condescending, that they would try to “save” the Pope after his death, but since we know it meaningless, let them be 🤷 .

In Christ,

Ellen
 
Well put, that does make more sense in regards to them not being recognized, I hadn’t thought of it in that perspective. On that topic though I found it interesting to note that the Catholic Church DOES NOT recognize LDS baptisms citing that the differences in the meaning and doctrine are to different! Just food for thought.
 
On that topic though I found it interesting to note that the Catholic Church DOES NOT recognize LDS baptisms citing that the differences in the meaning and doctrine are to different! Just food for thought.
Found it interesting or find it interesting? And that’s not entirely true. Speaking with a couple of different priests (was curious in case my wife decided to convert) it seems to have been left up to the priest to determine whether or not an LDS baptism is recognized. Though on of the priests said he always pushes for the conditional regardless just to be on the safe side 🤷 Baptism does not require valid holy orders and the LDS mode of baptism is correct (despite their lack of belief in the Trinity they still baptize in the name of God, The Son and The Holy Spirit along with immersion which is fine too). So then it comes down to intent or desire of the baptizee (?). It’s up to the priest to determine if the recipient understood or believed the Trinitarian concept. Also there’s the ability to have a conditional baptism if the original is in doubt. So Mormon converts will be baptized, conditionally baptized or not baptized. But the same can hold true for any other denomination where there may be doubt as to the validity of the baptism. Granted most major denominations will be recognized by the church (Baptist, Methodist, Anglican, Episcopalian, Lutheran, etc).
 
Found it interesting or find it interesting? And that’s not entirely true. Speaking with a couple of different priests (was curious in case my wife decided to convert) it seems to have been left up to the priest to determine whether or not an LDS baptism is recognized. Though on of the priests said he always pushes for the conditional regardless just to be on the safe side 🤷
I don’t believe this is correct. See here.

Question***:*** Whether the baptism conferred by the community «The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints», called «Mormons» in the vernacular, is valid.
Response: Negative.
 
I don’t believe this is correct. See here.

Question***:*** Whether the baptism conferred by the community «The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints», called «Mormons» in the vernacular, is valid.
Response: Negative.
I have asked about this before and the answer is always no, the baptisms given by Mormons does not count in the Catholic Church you must be rebaptized.
 
I don’t believe this is correct. See here.

Question***:*** Whether the baptism conferred by the community «The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints», called «Mormons» in the vernacular, is valid.
Response: Negative.
Mea culpa mea maxima culpa. I stand corrected. Though in my defense and the priests I discussed this with, it was prior to 2001. Which was when the official statement was made.

jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2006/05/pastoral_conseq.html

So far my wife has shown zero interest so I haven’t looked into it since before 2000. Which is why I missed the memo.
 
Mea culpa mea maxima culpa. I stand corrected. Though in my defense and the priests I discussed this with, it was prior to 2001. Which was when the official statement was made.

jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2006/05/pastoral_conseq.html

So far my wife has shown zero interest so I haven’t looked into it since before 2000. Which is why I missed the memo.
No worries, I am not an expert. Just a former mormon who hopes to be received into the Catholic Church. I am sure I wouldn’t know of this either were it not for the fact that I needed to know if my mormon baptism was valid.
 
No worries, I am not an expert. Just a former mormon who hopes to be received into the Catholic Church. I am sure I wouldn’t know of this either were it not for the fact that I needed to know if my mormon baptism was valid.
I had figured this out by just being a part of the Mormon Church for a short period (short being relative it was 8 months) of time very recently.
 
It is fortunate that you left. 🙂
Don’t get me wrong, I LOVED it there, the doctrine just wasn’t in place. I mean when I get involved in a church I learn everything there is to know (as much as I can cram I guess) and I act on it. I talked to people and almost (whew glad I didnt) assisted in converting a few people. There was this one guy i talked to who is Catholic and I was talking to him about becoming Mormon and he told me that he had been friends with very fervent Mormons his whole life and they had tried to convert him (which basically meant dont waste your time). I asked him to give me a few minutes as I had been Catholic before I went to the Mormon church and I told him that the love of Christ and the emphasis on family and community is what attracted me and thats why i was there. He told me I had actually made him think if he wanted to stay in the Catholic Church. I then felt the need to tell him that I am participating in a Confirmation program at my Parish (at the time only because my parish priest said I should so that I would consider if I really wanted to continue being Mormon or stay with the Catholic faith) and that I loved the tradition and yes close families Catholics have, and the very real presence of God in the mass. (and the music and the reverence and the visuals; why had I left again?) and the rest, as they say is history. After that I felt an inclination to return to my home in the Catholic church and I went back and have not regretted it one bit.
 
Currently in RCIA.
If you’ve never attended mass at the cathedral in Salt Lake, just a few blocks up from the temple, I would highly recommend it. One of the most beautiful masses I’ve ever seen.
 
Don’t get me wrong, I LOVED it there, the doctrine just wasn’t in place. I mean when I get involved in a church I learn everything there is to know (as much as I can cram I guess) and I act on it. I talked to people and almost (whew glad I didnt) assisted in converting a few people. There was this one guy i talked to who is Catholic and I was talking to him about becoming Mormon and he told me that he had been friends with very fervent Mormons his whole life and they had tried to convert him (which basically meant dont waste your time). I asked him to give me a few minutes as I had been Catholic before I went to the Mormon church and I told him that the love of Christ and the emphasis on family and community is what attracted me and thats why i was there. He told me I had actually made him think if he wanted to stay in the Catholic Church. I then felt the need to tell him that I am participating in a Confirmation program at my Parish (at the time only because my parish priest said I should so that I would consider if I really wanted to continue being Mormon or stay with the Catholic faith) and that I loved the tradition and yes close families Catholics have, and the very real presence of God in the mass. (and the music and the reverence and the visuals; why had I left again?) and the rest, as they say is history. After that I felt an inclination to return to my home in the Catholic church and I went back and have not regretted it one bit.
Great story. 🙂 Seems we all converge to one point, eventually, that inclination to be a part of the Catholic Church. The rest is history.
 
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