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fix
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Born and raised here. I have seen too much.
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jrabs
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Sounds like you, Billy and I all will be keeping our collective mouths closed on this one! Ohhh the horrors.
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Binney
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http://feastofsaints.com/lovele1.gif
For all the saints
Whom no one thought to name
No litany of bliss
For their praise proclaims
For the homely saints
No halo aglow
Favored by the Lord
But to us so so
For the ruined saints
Who craved no boardroom glee
But offered their arms
And gave without fee
For the tattered saints
Who found no rest at home
But served in patient woe
And shrank in hearts alone
For the silent saints
Captured by their pain
Offering it to Him
For salvation’s gain
For the saint unseen
By power or by peer
The crownless heir of love
Raised on Christ’s bier
The lumpen hump of flesh
Draped across bench
Whose spit is his smile
And bouquet his stench
For the blithering saint
Whose strings of words bemuse
His blank stare runs counter
To the civil use
For the stunted saints
No worldly stature given
Graced by a shrug
And through neglect shriven
For the hidden saints
Caught in His eye
Reflections of God’s love
In ordinary guise
The humble face of saints
Uncanonized
Lies in the dust
By Him only prized
For these great saints
We have yet to know
Celebrate today!
Feast on crow.
For all the saints
Whom no one thought to name
No litany of bliss
For their praise proclaims
For the homely saints
No halo aglow
Favored by the Lord
But to us so so
For the ruined saints
Who craved no boardroom glee
But offered their arms
And gave without fee
For the tattered saints
Who found no rest at home
But served in patient woe
And shrank in hearts alone
For the silent saints
Captured by their pain
Offering it to Him
For salvation’s gain
For the saint unseen
By power or by peer
The crownless heir of love
Raised on Christ’s bier
The lumpen hump of flesh
Draped across bench
Whose spit is his smile
And bouquet his stench
For the blithering saint
Whose strings of words bemuse
His blank stare runs counter
To the civil use
For the stunted saints
No worldly stature given
Graced by a shrug
And through neglect shriven
For the hidden saints
Caught in His eye
Reflections of God’s love
In ordinary guise
The humble face of saints
Uncanonized
Lies in the dust
By Him only prized
For these great saints
We have yet to know
Celebrate today!
Feast on crow.
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fix
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Where is the Melkite parish?
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fix
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It is hard for me to stay silent many times.
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Madaglan
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It is really sad if the Diocese of Rochester has indeed, as you mention, become fairly liberal. My dad grew up in Rochester during the 1950’s and 60’s. He went to a Catholic high school there, too, run by the Basilians. From all that he has told me, the diocese was very conservative back then–at least the priests he met were. High masses, which necessitated dozens of altar boys, were common in his parish, and overall things were pretty conservative.
Concerning the issue with baptism, I here quote from the Didache, an early orthodox Christian document (www.newadvent.org/fathers/0714.htm):
Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism. And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whoever else can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before.
The italics are mine. I believe that the catholicanswers tract on baptism mentions (I could be mistaken) that the word “living” can also be interpretted as “running,” such as a running stream or river.
Baptism by pouring, however, although recognized as a secondary alternative, is not regarded as improper.
Concerning the issue with baptism, I here quote from the Didache, an early orthodox Christian document (www.newadvent.org/fathers/0714.htm):
Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism. And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whoever else can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before.
The italics are mine. I believe that the catholicanswers tract on baptism mentions (I could be mistaken) that the word “living” can also be interpretted as “running,” such as a running stream or river.
Baptism by pouring, however, although recognized as a secondary alternative, is not regarded as improper.
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jrabs
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I hear you! ( Ha little joke since you said you were silent). Actually, I have found refuge in a great orthodox parish - one of the few.
I did have a sad disparaging conversation at coffee hour after mass. One of the long time parishioners was grousing about our current priest and the fact that he is too orthodox. She hopes the next priest is liberal.
Ouch, I cringed at that comment. She has no idea what craziness she speaketh. She could move to numerous parishes around this Diocese and get what she is looking for - and then some
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Lorarose
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Ahhh yes. Many stories here concerning this diocese.
I have seen other Diocese get some “relief”…I wonder when it will be Rochester’s turn.
It’s going to take a long time to treat this one…especially considering all the folks taking their theology courses at St. Bernard’s.
I have seen other Diocese get some “relief”…I wonder when it will be Rochester’s turn.
It’s going to take a long time to treat this one…especially considering all the folks taking their theology courses at St. Bernard’s.
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BillyT92679
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The thought process is, there was always a liberal “wing” to the Diocese of Rochester, but there were very orthodox Bishops, such as Kearney for example, who kept the wing at bay. After Vatican II, Bishop Fulton Sheen became the Ordinary of the Diocese, and had a heck of a time with the liberals here, who basically made his life horrible. He was replaced by Bishop Hogan, who took the particular church on a leftward path.
I grew up in the Diocese of Syracuse attending an extremely orthodox parish (we even had Altar Rosary Societies and the 40 Hour Devotion), so moving here for college was quite a shock.
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BillyT92679
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The Melkite Church is on Spencerport Road I believe.
I attend St. Josaphat’s Ukrainian Catholic Church for Divine Liturgy on occasion. That’s on Carter St in Irondequiot.
I attend St. Josaphat’s Ukrainian Catholic Church for Divine Liturgy on occasion. That’s on Carter St in Irondequiot.
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BlindSheep
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Another Rochester RCIA victim here.
This made me laugh:
This made me laugh:
Oh, how dull. Maybe a car chase would spice it up.
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Lorarose
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Where did they come from and how did they get so well organized as to take over the whole diocese?
It is amazing to see the consistency in the “groupthink” from parish to parish.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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Its in Gates, Spencerport road just east Elmgrove on the north side of the road.
I have offered an invite here and I will gladly do so again.
Anyone in Rochester, NY, or coming to visit Rochester, NY, that wants to attend St Nicholas Melkite Greek Catholic Church, just let me know and I will meet you there.
We have two Ukrainian Greek Catholic Churches in Rochester. They have multiple liturgies on Sundays and a Saturday evening liturgy (which is kind of against tradition) but only one of those liturgies at each is in English and then it is a recited liturgy which is sort of sad.
At St Nicholas we have the Divine Liturgy at 10:30am on Sunday and it is chanted/sung. It is, I would say, about 95% in English with some of the “Lord Have Mercy” responses in Greek and a few in Arabic.
The liturgy takes about 1 to 1.25 hours. This Sunday the Archbishop will be there so the liturgy will be a bit longer, closer to 2 hours or a bit more.
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fix
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I would cringe too. I go to Our Lady of Victory for confession and attend mass there when possible. I have heard that Holy Spirit in Penfield is very faithful.
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fix
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Yes, that I see is a big problem.
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jrabs
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How funny!
I go to Our Lady of Victory for daily noon mass. I am soooo lucky since I work a block from there. It is a wonderful escape in my workday and find incredible peace.
And Holy Spirit is home parish. Too funny. Both are wonderful and I really love Holy Spirit.
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Yes, it is funny.
I have never been to H.S., but have heard great things. Downtown with Fr. A is very good.
How do you think these faithful priests do in this diocese. I would think they have a great burden to bear?
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jrabs
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Well, I certainly think they have heavy crosses. Fr Antinarelli, (sp?) at Our Lady of Victory certainly is outspoken about the plight of the priests faithful to Rome.
But he has hardhitting homilies and I believe his attendance is rising. He used to be at Holy Spirit.
One of the problems we face at HS church is that we are severly lacking younger families. The young parishioners just seem to shy away from the hard hitting and truthful homilies.
Did you see Fr Corapi when he was here in Oct? Or Fr Pacwa in Nov? Fr Corapi is coming again in Sept to Buffalo.
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Yes, his homilies are some of the best I have heard anywhere.
That is very sad to hear. I am glad someone is preaching the truth.
I have not, but would love to. I have heard Fr. Corapi’s talk on Radio 1460. One of my favorites.
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Brad
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Fr. Antinarelli had tremendous words to say on the Friday in-between Terri Schiavo’s death and Pope John Paul II’s death. I am writing him a letter of thanks this weekend. He said that the Pope demonstrated exactly how to follow Christ to the cross throughout all of life (especially in his last years and days) and was the diametric opposite of the throw-away society that we have established, most demonstrative in throwing away Terri Schiavo because she “lost” her beauty and value. He said the cross was the only way to salvation. He also said that Greer would have to answer to God. I was somewhat floored to hear this from a Rochester priest and this was the only time I heard a priest in a homily that I attended mention Schiavo. Thank God.
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