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aspawloski4th
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none of this would of happened at a sspx Mass.
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fix
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Yes, it should be a refelction and related to the readings.I see a liberal legalistic agenda in your tone. How was the homily an abuse? He was helping to inform Catholics about vocation issues. Certainly that is a proper use of the homily.Let’s see. We have on these boards a certain element who are quite strict with any alleged liturgical abuse. Well, here is one. Where the church firmly calls for a Sunday homily that is a reflection on the readings, Fr. Pilsner instead give an inane address about how its okay and even a good thing to think girls are yucky (I guess he is one of “those” types of priests).
So I say we should give all the consideration due to a priest that abuses the Mass. :tsktsk:
what a [south end of a northbound mule].
In fact, the usual Hallmark card, happy, clappy, homilies are the authentic abuse.
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katherine2
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Well, havn’t we become the liberal all of a sudden!!
The liturgical instructions call for a homily related to the readings. To not do that and go on a tirade about how girls are yucky and will give you cooties is to not follow the liturgical instructions – in other words, an abuse.
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fix
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I do not know that it was unrelated or any abuse. Is it your opinion it was unrelated, did the priest say it was unrelated. Is there an objective way you are concluding it was unrelated?
There are many ways a topic can be woven into the readings and presented to the congregation.
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fix
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Even a superficial reading of his text does not reveal what you claim and insinuate. He was careful to draw clear disticntions and not claim one sex was inferior.
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katherine2
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Really? So what part of the readings of the 4th Sunday of Easter were being referenced in this “homily”?
he was careful to claim HE did not claim this but tolerated and approved of others haivng this view and acting on it.
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space_ghost
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people not remembering why they are there for one… others not minding their own business and remembering why they are there 
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fix
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I was not there and do not know his entire remarks. The website only published what I cited. Perhaps he was being “pastoral”? Perhaps he has a letter from his bisop allowing him to make a special appeal. What about when the missions come in an ask for money in place of a homily? Is that an abuse that goes against the letter and spirit of the law?
Ah, so you can read his heart? Are you implying he is sexist because he does not embrace the liberal agenda?
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Catholic2003
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Here’s an abuse that hasn’t been mentioned in this thread yet: Priests discriminating against women in the roles of reader and EMHC. The authority of individual priests to categorically exclude women from these roles came from the 1975 GIRM, and was not carried over to the present GIRM. Yet nonetheless, there are some parishes where women continue to be excluded from these liturgical roles even today.
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katherine2
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So now you are claiming this is only a selection from his homily?
I can read his words.
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Bobby_Jim
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Does large numbers of people arriving up to 20 minutes after Mass starts, and/or leaving right after Communion count as an abuse? I see that at most every Mass I go to. How about parking in the fire lane in the church parking lot? My parents’ parish had a devil of a time stamping that one out.
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fix
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“The letter from Cardinal Antonio Javierre Ortas, prefect of the
Congregation for Divine Worship in the Vatican, recently instructed the
bishops of the world, that girls as well as boys may be permitted to serve
at the altar. The letter also said that this decision to allow altar
girls should be carefully explained to the people. That is what I will
try to do this morning.”
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Booklover
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Joan M:
Hi Joan M! My sentiments exactly!
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Joan_M
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Bobby Jim:
People coming late are not commiting a liturgical abuse. They may be just bad-mannered. Of course, they may have a legitimate reason for their late-coming - not, however, if it is habitual. As for parking in the fire lane - I imagine that is only done by late-comers??? Stamp out late-coming and you’ve got that one beat!!
No, these do not qualify as Liturgical Abuses. Of course, people should arrive on time for Mass and not leave until after the priest does. However, Liturgical Abuses are things that are done or not done that are in contravention of Liturgical Law. The Church lays down rules (not guidelines) for how the Mass is to be celebrated. Anyone who deliberately deviates from these rules is commiting a liturgical abuse. Some are more serious than others. Some may even be so serious that they invalidate the Mass.
People coming late are not commiting a liturgical abuse. They may be just bad-mannered. Of course, they may have a legitimate reason for their late-coming - not, however, if it is habitual. As for parking in the fire lane - I imagine that is only done by late-comers??? Stamp out late-coming and you’ve got that one beat!!
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rlg94086
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Bobby Jim:
At my last parish, we only had this problem with our Easter/Christmas Catholics. They were informed by the priest at the beginning of Mass that they would be towed. Problem solved 'til next Easter/Christmas.
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Bill_A
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I never mentioned Liturgical abuse. So all of these things, including coming to mass late and leaving early** count as abuse.**
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Daeron
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The conviction that you are already perfection ;
the belief that political propaganda is holy ordain ;
a self-conceit that it can only be the other person who has been lead astray ;
and sloth.
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philipmarus
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You saying there was no masses in Latin until around 1570?
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Theodred
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Trent codified the Mass that had been used during the whole of the Medieval period. It essentially dates back to at least Pope Gregory the Great, and many of her most precious elements, not to mention the Roman canon, to much earlier than Pope Gregory the Great. The “Tridentine Mass” is the historical Mass of the Latin Church. We should do everything in our power to preserve the Traditional Latin Mass in the Church’s liturgical life.
The greatest abuse was not listed: helping yourself to Communion (reception in the hand, and handling the chalice). However, it has been allowed, and the Devil wins if I allow this to get in the way of the heavenly feast.
The greatest abuse was not listed: helping yourself to Communion (reception in the hand, and handling the chalice). However, it has been allowed, and the Devil wins if I allow this to get in the way of the heavenly feast.
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Kielbasi
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Mere rudeness, things like talking in church, cell phones, bad kids, aren’t what I’d call an “abuse”.
Similarly, crappy preaching isn’t an abuse either, not every priest has good skills in that regard, calling it an ‘abuse’ is harsh.
Not knowing English is certainly not an abuse by any sense of the word. I’ve heard many a Polish sermon, and some in some other languages I didn’t know word one in, a priest who does not know English is still a priest,no?
Similarly, crappy preaching isn’t an abuse either, not every priest has good skills in that regard, calling it an ‘abuse’ is harsh.
Not knowing English is certainly not an abuse by any sense of the word. I’ve heard many a Polish sermon, and some in some other languages I didn’t know word one in, a priest who does not know English is still a priest,no?
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