Most common abuse at mass today.

[zachariah]

What’s really dumb is that people wish, “Peace be with you”. At the end of mass, people are cursing at each other and honking horns because they are cutting the traffic lines.

People receive communion in their hands. I say you should us your tongue. Your hands are dirty and you wouldn’t want to contaminate the Lord.

People dress like they’re clubbing in Church. People receive communion unworthily. People leave after communion.

Another thing is my Congregation doesn’t sign along with the choir. So choir has to sing twice as loud.

In general, most people don’t know much about their faith it angers me how people.

Post Script: I wrote an essay about Religion and Media. Criticize it. I want your opinion.
“Where’s the Imprimatur on This?”

 

[bonnie_ryder]

I have heard others talk about there priest having the non-ordain do the homily. The pastoral minister or associate as they are called will give their reflection on the homily of which there was not a homily given except 5 mins of something read. What is up with this? I know that breaks the cannon law, but what steps can be done about it? If someone says go to the bishop…Well in our case that would not help because he breaks all the rules to fit his agenda, which is so heart breaking.

 

[netmilsmom]

MarkInOregon:

Remember it is possible for someone to have foregotten to turn a cell phone off, and it is possible for those non-flip ones to be bumped on accidentally in a purse.

Is it too much for people to give other people the benefit of the doubt? Where is our charity, our love and our kindness? I don’t know the state of anyones soul, I don’t know how much money they have or what kind of clothes they own–and I try not to judge people on these matters. Everyone is at a different point in their faith walk–and I for one would rather have someone at Mass dressed “inappropriately” than not at Mass. I don’t find it distracting and by being at Mass they will receive grace, hopefully grown in their faith and at some point hopefully dress more "respectfully, etc.

The peace of Christ be with you.
Mark

Honestly, I could be really charitable when I did not have children. Now, I’m trying to fight the secular world.
It’s wonderful to have charity in your heart, but if someone does not speak up, that person will never change. Some don’t know they are wrong. Is it charitable not to tell them in a nice way?

When I hear my four year old say, “Mommy, that lady is wearing shorts.” I use it as an oportunity to say, “Yes honey, I’m sure she doesn’t know how it hurts Our Lord when she dresses that way in His house.” I have to, it’s my job.

Then again, I have no problem pointing out that eating grapes in the Supermarket before you pay for them is stealing as well.
When my daughters ask why people are doing it, I will say quite loudly that it is stealing and they are not to do it.
Sorry if the truth is uncharitable.

 

[CrusaderNY]

I will list what I think is the most common abuses today at mass:

1. 
   *]The sermons-Love Love and more love-what about staying away from temptation and mortal sin?
   *]The hand shaking and the back slapping after the our Father, is that really necessary?
   *]Laity reading from scripture-Have our Priest become to lazy to perform two readings, a gospel and a sermon once a week? What is the purpose of some old lady reading from the bible when we have ordained priests and deacons who are more knowledgable-I cant help but look at that person reading the passage and think to myself-Why is he/she not in the pews thinking about his/her sins and examining thier conscience as Our Lord is about to become present soon.
   *]The dress is disgraceful.
   *]Teenagers in the back of the church talking throughout mass-no body has the guts to tell them to shut up
   *]Guitar strummin nuns dressed in slacks and looking like some wanna be folk singer at the 10AM mass
   *]People receiving our Lord in their hands
   *]Priests and bishops actually bowing to the laity as they pass the altar instead of the tabernacle, wherever it may be now as I cant seem to locate it.
   *]Eucharistic ministers-Do these people think because they hand out Our Lord they are getting some indulgence or something and are going to get a get to heaven free pass or something?
   *]Priests dressed in psychadelic dress and robes with a cross no where to be found-What ever happened to a nice cassock and vestment-Is that to pre-Vatican II and establishment???
   
   My top 10 list

 

[Kendall]

WOW! Haven’t been following recently, so took a while work through all of the above. Glad I did. A lot of annoying things going on at Mass these days, though not all rise to the level of Liturgical abuses. While not wanting to bring attention to myself, I personally try to dress up for Mass, many others, including my children don’t always choose to do that, but at least they’re there.
I’m a EMHC, and I have never thought that it would gain me a free ticket to the Heavenly Banquet - that’s an invitation only affair. I’m just doing what my parish Priest has asked of me.
My main pet peeve has long been the holding of the hands at the praying of the Our Father. My sister-in-law felt the same way, and she received the following written response from her parish Priest: “I do not know why some people in some Churches hold hands, or, for that matter, why some extend their hands. Neither posture/gesture is prescribed by the rubrics of the Catholic Church. A National Conference of Catholic Bishops Committee on the Liturgy has recently said as much. Apparently when the revised “Roman Missal” is put into English in the next year or so, the extending of the hands at the Lord’s Prayers will be recommended. But it is NOT the present discipline. Far less the “joining of hands.” Both gestures are foreign to our Liturgy. The committee has said that it is inappropriate, since the Lord’s Prayer is to be a vertical prayer, addressed to the Father. The emphasis is NOT horizontal (i.e., toward our neighbor or community) As for the extending of the hands, it may some day be the prescribed gesture. It is the ancient “orans” or “praying” gesture of clergy, but it is not the present attitude of the laity. Since neither gesture is prescribed at present, we should refrain from them. It is not a question of “sin” but such things make visitors feel uncomfortable…and we are supposed to be “Catholic” in our worship - responsive to the universal Church”

 

[Kevin_Walker]

The Priest stopping services to answer his cell phone.

The Priest forgetting the prayer half way through.

The Priest digging and clawing at his crotch during service.

 

[Kielbasi]

The Priest stopping services to answer his cell phone.

That’s beyond rude, I’ve never seen it and hope I never do.

The Priest forgetting the prayer half way through.

Against every rule in the book, priests are required to read the prayers, not recite them from memory.

The Priest digging and clawing at his crotch during service.

Beyond crude, I’d leave in a New York second rather than endure that.

 

[EddieArent]

Kevin Walker:

The Priest digging and clawing at his crotch during service.

Guess we had the opposite – priest was bragging about getting new underwear for Christmas.

 

[cyprian]

katherine2:

among the real problems being lack of charity and the lack of real Christian community.

Here you go again with the communion, false sense. It is the parents, moms of the PIOUS YOUNG GIRLS. When I was a server (mid 70’s0 there weren’t any girls wanting to be boys, in this sense anyway.) I do remember though getting kicked by a girl named Diane who I thought was cute, right in the shin, probobly for not paying enough attention to her, or too much? At the parish I belong to Mommies are already voicing to the new council that they want their wonders to be able to be servers. Wouldn’t it be grand if nuns went back to habits and boys to serving? The visible display in and of itself would increase vocations to both sides, this can’t be denied. Diocese’s were vocations are increasing are naming a few factors

1. Fidelity to the Magisterium(parish schools, how they teach)
2. Adoration (parish schools)
3. nuns in habits
   Omaha was one, i have to get the article (don’t have now-Zenit article)

Anyway one abuse is the priest at the parish I used to go to doesn’t show the consecrated host during the agnus dei, this is in the GIRM AND Rubrics.I asked him and he said he didn’t know? I could tell the story too about the DRE nun who said it was only a matter of time before women became priests. There is more, indeedy indeed, but I’ll stop. Does it have anything to do with the sign that says Catholic Cummunity instead of Catholic Church. False communion, dissenting religious, no visible sign (like Jesus was) abuses, zero (darn near) vocations.

Peace
He is All in All for All
I am nothing

 

[cyprian]

MaggieOH:

There are several counterpoints that can be made on the subject of the use of Altar girls:

1. It is the girls who make the decision to serve in this capacity and not their parents.
2. A majority of boys who have been Altar servers do not go on to seminary. I have three sons. All of my sons served in this capacity. None have expressed a desire to be priests.
3. The girls have been proving to be more pious in their attendance as Altar servers (or at least that is what I have observed).
4. There has not been a drop in the ratio of boys:girls who act as servers (at least not in my parish).

If the boys do not want to act as altar servers then we need the girls to take on the role instead. We also have adult male acolytes, and it is the acolyte who does most of the work not the Altar servers.

MaggieOH/QUOTE

1. Wrong
   2.Did you encourage them? How did you explain life vocation to them?
2. Pious in showing up on time or in their service? please explain.

 

[cyprian]

katherine2:

So now you are claiming this is only a selection from his homily?

I can read his words.

you mean girls aren’t yucky, and have not cooties?
This was a part of our server training.
Thou doth protesteth too much? Katherina?

 

[Dotelesco]

CrusaderNY:

I will list what I think is the most common abuses today at mass:

1. 
   *]The sermons-Love Love and more love-what about staying away from temptation and mortal sin?
   *]The hand shaking and the back slapping after the our Father, is that really necessary?
   *]Laity reading from scripture-Have our Priest become to lazy to perform two readings, a gospel and a sermon once a week? What is the purpose of some old lady reading from the bible when we have ordained priests and deacons who are more knowledgable-I cant help but look at that person reading the passage and think to myself-Why is he/she not in the pews thinking about his/her sins and examining thier conscience as Our Lord is about to become present soon.
   *]The dress is disgraceful.
   *]Teenagers in the back of the church talking throughout mass-no body has the guts to tell them to shut up
   *]Guitar strummin nuns dressed in slacks and looking like some wanna be folk singer at the 10AM mass
   *]People receiving our Lord in their hands
   *]Priests and bishops actually bowing to the laity as they pass the altar instead of the tabernacle, wherever it may be now as I cant seem to locate it.
   *]Eucharistic ministers-Do these people think because they hand out Our Lord they are getting some indulgence or something and are going to get a get to heaven free pass or something?
   *]Priests dressed in psychadelic dress and robes with a cross no where to be found-What ever happened to a nice cassock and vestment-Is that to pre-Vatican II and establishment???
   
   My top 10 list

1. 
   A few things. I think you are a little off base with what you consider abuses. First off, much of what you mention has nothing to do with the liturgy. And do you really think God cares how people dress at Mass? Regarding the EHMC, why are you accusing them of some sort of arrogance? Additionally, how can receiving Communion in the hand be an abuse when it is explicitly allowed?

 

[Tim_Faremouth]

davy39:

I believe that leaving right after communion with out a good reason, (emergency, etc) is the most widespread. Sometimes the church looks half-empty after communion. I think that’s like telling Jesus that you don’t have any more time for him, so see you later. Very, very disrespectful.

Davy, you’re right … it is very disrespectful and shows the lowest of the low of the ungrateful … and I might add one of Fr. Larry Richards (Erie, PA) favorites quotes … “And don’t leave before receiving the final blessing. After all, who was the one disciple who left early ?? JUDAS !!!”

Shalom, Tim

 

[Sean.McKenzie]

If i might be so bold as to ask for your prayers, all of you, and seriously if you are not going to or you don’t think you will then don’t make the commmitment to. However, i am in the process of writing a book that covers these very topics, it will be a co-authored book, with two of my other contemporaries, it will cover these and more topics, why the abuse? where the Sacred liturgy came from, what can be done, etc.This is a big project, and it will take time, but once it has been through the proper steps editing and publishing etc. i feel it will be an eye opener, Please i need your prayers:wave:, i am already in the process and it is going quite well, if you are interested in it i will put more information up about it! Thank you so much!!

 

[deborah1313]

Bill_A:

My understanding is that the Use of Girls as alter servers began outside of Rome, while the Pope was incapacitated.

Men have their calling to serve the church and woman have their calling. In the history of the church it was always this way. Some say it was Gods wish while others think it was part of the cultrual hierarchy.

It is part of the feminist movement. If the Job of the Alter boy is discern vocations. Than one must assume that the intention of the instalation of Alter Girls is to accomadate woman to the priest hood. AS it was done in the ePISScopal church and other protestANT churchs.

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that as in the instance of teh installation of Homosexuals in the priesthood that this is disruptive to the church.

The job of the altar boy (please note correct spelling of "altAr) is to serve at the altar. To assume that the installation of altar girls is a plot to install women as priests is a mighty big assumption. And a logical fallacy, but that’s beside the point.

I don’t believe that boys don’t want to serve because girls do. I have no trouble believing that the boys said that, but I think it is an excuse. Boys ( and a lot of men, too) will blame girls for lots of things. They always have. It doesn’t mean that it is true.

What “installation of homosexuals” are you talking about? There have been gay priests for hundreds of years. They just didn’t talk about it. Please don’t blame this damnable sexual abuse of children by some priests on homosexuals. The abusive priests are pedophiles–they preyed on children. Some pedophiles preyed on boys, some on girls. But they preyed on children, not adults. Just because someone is gay, it doesn’t mean he is a pedophile.

As for your comment about Episcopal and Protestant Churches, I will be charitable and assume that you did not mean to condemn them in the way you “spelled” the words. And anyway, what business is it of yours what they do about women serving in the ordained clergy? You aren’t a member of their churches, right?

deborah1313