Mother Mary. Why would take your eyes off Jesus and focus on her?

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As every person sinned, so did Mary as I stated. She was faithful once, yes? Many people have chosen to be faithful to God.
 
I don’t get what you mean by ‘once’… Mary was free from original sin because God knew that the Ark of the New Covenant could not be imperfect… rather than choosing to rescue her from sin after she sinned (as he does with us) he simply chose to rescue her from sin before she sinned
 
We don’t “take our eyes off” Jesus. Immaculate Mary leads us to her Son and strengthens our faith in him.
 
Everybody likes their Easter Resurrection and the Empty Cross, but many people forget about the Good Friday suffering that goes along with it.

Ooops, who else stood with Jesus on Good Friday, when practically everybody else abandoned him? 😛
 
The actual answer is that Mary is part of our Church. If you really think of Jesus as your Savior and brother, then Mary is your brother’s mom. And if you really believe that the dead are alive in Christ, you should be treating all the saints and patriarchs as living members of your family and church.

Now, unless you studiously ignore everybody in your church, obviously you don’t feel it’s a slight to Jesus to turn your eyes to your pastor, or your neighbor in the pew, or any of your other brothers and sisters. Why, I bet you even pray for each other and help each other, as well as sharing the odd Jello dish at a church supper. 🙂

So don’t behave like the pagans who have no hope. Talk to the saints every once in a while.

(Probably they won’t send you Jello from heaven, although I can’t rule out the possibility of a Jello miracle. I mean, there’s always room for Jello.)
 
I agree-- that’s the whole point of the bit that goes “Blessed is the womb that bore you and the breasts that nursed you!” bit. And he responds, saying, “Blessed rather are those that hear the word of God and obey it!”

It’s not saying, “Yeah, my mom’s okay, whatever, but people who follow God are way better than her!”

It’s saying, “Mary is blessed because she heard the word of God and obeyed it. And everyone else who does likewise will be blessed as well.”

Because remember-- the Body of Christ is the Church, a community. The Kingdom of God is a community. God didn’t send us to live in a vacuum; he gave us thousands of people around us to help each other attain heaven. We do that by serving others— but also by following the example of People Who Got It Right. We don’t have to reinvent the wheel; we have so many models to follow.

On a side note, Mary spent 30 years as his first disciple before he entered into his public ministry, and continued to remain with him afterwards. Can you imagine having that kind of one-on-one mentorship! 🙂
 
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Excuse me? Mary was not Jesus’s true mother?

“And why has this happened to me, that the mother of my Lord comes to me?” (Luke 1:43) This was Elizabeth talking to Mary while inspired by the Holy Spirit. Are you telling me that the Holy Spirit was lying?

Luke 8:21 “But he said to them, “My mother and my brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it.”” Well remember what Elizabeth said right after what I quoted? “And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfillment of what was spoken to her by the Lord” (Luke 1:45).

Besides, it seems you are insinuating that Jesus is a sinner, since it would be disrespectful to shame His mother (which again was confirmed by the Holy Spirit through Elizabeth) in such a public way, and of course one of God’s commandments is “Honor your father and mother”.
 
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Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”
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Well I can tell you right off the bat that there are millions of people who are exempted from this…or are you telling me that babies sin too? And heck you can add Jesus to that exemption, for he became man.
 
Yes. It’s always rough to take just a snippet out of context… 😦

We didn’t even get into the Greek roots of the angel’s greeting. 😛

Chaire, kecharitōmenē, ho kyrios meta sou!

Rather than just copy-pasta’ing some good textual scholarship, I think I’ll just drop a link that he won’t read… 😉

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The word that Luke uses–κεχαριτωμένη, kecharitomene–appears to have been crafted out of thin air, appearing into the Greek vocabulary as unexpectedly as the Angel Gabriel appeared to Mary and as silently as the Word became Flesh. It was the word for the moment.

The word is used nowhere else in the Scriptures or in secular Greek literature. The technical name for such a novel, unique word is hapax legomenon. Hapax legomenon–which comes to us from Greek–means “expressed once.”

This sort of word is sometimes also referred to as a nonce word. In this case, it is a one-of-a-kind word for a one-of-a-kind person in a one-of-a-kind situation. No one else in human history is κεχαριτωμένη (kecharitomene).

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The reason why “full of grace” does not go far enough and so is not a perfect fit is that “full of grace” is the literal translation of the Greek πληρης χαριτος (pleres charitos). That phrase is used to refer to St. Stephen, the first martyr, in Acts 6:8. It is also used to refer to Jesus, the Word made flesh, in The Gospel of John 1:14.

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What the Angel Gabriel wants to communicate to Mary and to us is in the word kecharitomene is that Mary has a unique name, a unique title, a unique role in sacred history, and so–though human–is a unique being in the economy of salvation.

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Kecharitomene is who Mary is, and not only what she has. She is Kecharitomene as a result of that “singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race,” as Piux IX put it in his constitution Ineffabilis Deus which defined ex cathedra the dogma of the Immaculate Conception.
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I’m sorry but you’ve offered to debate without being at all prepared. Read this first: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm It’s long, but a good read. Then you will have some understanding of what Catholics believe because you are coming in here with assumptions that don’t work.
 
Luke 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. KJV.

What other church on this earth fulfills this prophecy? The Catholic Church has throughout all history fulfilled this prophecy, no matter what time of history. We’re they only right during the times other churches didn’t exist? Rather, this is the very church which fulfills it in actively referring to Mary as The Blessed Mother. All other churches that have come after may regard her as blessed, but what other church has consistently referred to her as blessed? My brother, with love, how have you participated in this prophecy? I’m not saying it’s required for salvation, but still, ask yourself this question.
PEACE 🙂
 
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jesus was a human; he never sinned

john the baptist was a human ; and there is a strong school of thought out there that he never sinned

why is is it so difficult to believe that Mary never sinned?
 
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This is such a terrible misunderstanding, and of course includes proof texts of things misunderstood (who doesn’t do this at some point?).

First off, no, Mary is the immaculate conception. This means she was conceived without sin as she was not merely chosen to be the mother of Christ but was created with this express purpose in mind.
She did not sin, and we have no reason to think this. The context of the Bible is one with great exaggeration. When we hear “all have sinned” we know it to not be an absolute statement of literal fact, why? Because Jesus did not sin, clearly.

Now, onto specifics.
Mary is hailed by the angel in Luke. This is something done only to royalty in this time.
The angel says to her, “Hail, Full of Grace”.
This term, in Greek, translated full of grace is a term appearing only once else in the Bible, describing the baptised believer in Jesus Christ, as you say, one whose slate is wiped clean and is without sin.
Now, I hope you see how this is important: Jesus was not yet born, and yet to establish the Sacrament of Baptism, etc.
Yet, she was in a state of sinlessness prior to this. This only makes sense, that she was sinless and imputed no original sin onto Jesus, who was like us in all things but sin.
Let’s continue.
Later, we see her cousin say, guided by the Holy Spirit, the Lord is with you, blessed art thou among women.
And Mary says of herself, in the Bible, that
“All generations shall call me blessed,” which I don’t feel like you’re doing when you call her a “dead sinner”.
And then she says, “My soul magnifies the Lord”.
Now this is interesting, her soul magnifies the Lord. Brings the Lord into view more clearly, brings the image of the Lord to us…
(To be continued)
 
Jesusislord said:
Hello everyone, My name is Alex. I am here to debate on why Mother mary is so special. I cannot find a live chat to speak to Catholics anywhere on the internet. I am Christian. To throw these things out here: Yes, mother Mary conceived Jesus our lord savior for 9 months and during this she was made clean. Yes respect, but why so much? When you ask for forgiveness from Jesus, your slate is completely wiped clean

1 John 1:9 “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

I see you devote an entire month for such Mary. But Mary committed sin in her life. Yes, during the time she was conceived she was made clean, but you and I are cleaned when you ask forgiveness from Jesus. She is the same as one of us, Sin is sin regardless (James 2:10). So why not devote an entire month for John the baptist? He was an outstanding obedient person, even a cousin of Jesus. Yet of course he sinned as well.

Mary had no part in the presence of Jesus. She is not Jesus’s true mother. (Luke 8:21) He replied, “My mother and brothers are those who hear God’s word and put it into practice.” I feel how you focus so much on Mary is such a distraction off the entire picture, that should be focused on Jesus. For our time is short, why waste any of it on mother Mary?
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Re: praying for sin

John in chapter 5 Teaches the following

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1 Jn 5:16 If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.

Why does John teach that?

Re: Mary,

For space, please read this entire article

www.catholic.com

How to Defend the Immaculate Conception

Why does the Church teach that Mary was immaculately conceived? Her Immaculate Conception is never even mentioned in Scripture. Read more.
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Now, if all we knew about Mary was that she was the mother of God, it would be enough to know how blessed among creatures she is (not in understanding, but in terms of knowing that such is true).
But we know much more than that. She is the new Ark of the Covenant, in fact greater, for the fulfillment is always greater than the type. The ark was made of pure gold, not impure. Just as Eve was first to sin, but her sin did not cause the fall, but the sin of Adam did, Mary too was the sinless new Eve, but similarly her sinlessness did not so save the world, but the new Adam did.
However, Mary is in fact the mother of Jesus. To deny this is implying a heresy that Jesus did not partake of the human nature.
He was formed in her womb.

Now, consider thusly:
How did God bring the world to Him through Christ? A woman named Mary.
The Holy Ghost and Mary brought Christ to the World, and in a like way, the Holy Ghost and Mary bring Christ to us individually.

Now, why divert our eyes from Christ and focus on Mary? Simple answer: WE DON’T!!
The focus is Christ!! If it is not, then there is an issue.
We go to the Son through His mother, because that how He instituted it to be. We believe that Creation declares the Glory of God. So then, especially must this be true for that most blessed of creatures, Mary, mother of our Lord. Especially as she is specified as having her soul magnify the Lord. Why would you ignore someone’s mother if you loved them? Jesus was obedient to His parents and no doubt loved them. Why would you not?
 
Luke 1
When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the Holy Spirit, cried out in a loud voice and said, “Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For at the moment the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy. Blessed are you who believed that what was spoken to you by the Lord would be fulfilled.”

Notice how the Holy Spirit inspires Elizabeth to say why Mary is blessed.
 
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Do you know what a stained piece of glass looks like? Often you cannot see its beauty without the sun. It is dim, lackluster, obscure.

On the other hand, the sun without the stained glass is resplendent on its own. It does not need the stained glass to make it beautiful. But when the sun shines through the stained glass, the sun’s rays are made even more dazzling through it and the stained glass is made resplendent and remarkable through the sun.

Mary is likened to a piece of stained glass. Jesus is likened to the sun. Jesus shines through her and makes her beautiful and glorious and lovely.

Her humble acceptance of the role as the Mother of God made it possible for us to be saved. She bore our God, she raised Him, fed Him, loved Him, taught Him. God knew it was necessary to choose the perfect mother who would be able to carry out the necessary requirements to make possible the salvation of mankind. She had to see it through that He survived up until His Passion. And He was almost killed by King Herod, so it wasn’t easy!

Her sinlessness was necessary as it would not have been right for the perfect, spotless, divine Savior to be born into the world from a sinful woman.
 
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Jesusislord said:
1 Tim. 2:12 Men are not greater but have superiority over women. Therefore, why not focus on a man?
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Just want to point out here that the actual verse is: “I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet”. This pertains to women in Timothy’s area who were speaking up during liturgies with questions, and as a result was causing distractions,

Here’s some thoughts on Mary, I’d appreciate a response to some of the content.
 
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