Mother Mary. Why would take your eyes off Jesus and focus on her?

[po18guy]

She has His ear, that’s why.

 

[po18guy]

Please re-read your claim here. Do you actually read your bible?
What did our Lord say about those whom we think are dead?

For the sake of denominational rivalry, essentially team sports, you have been taught many falsehoods and extremely shallow and erroneous theology.

Consider: Of all women ever to be born, only one was chosen, indeed handpicked before creation, to bear the Christ and give her flesh to Him; to nurse Him and remain with Him longer than anyone else on earth - from virgin womb to virgin tomb. She knew our Lord better than anyone before or since.

God honored her and blessed her above all women - indeed above all humans.

You profane her, claiming that she is just a rent-a-womb who sinned and died.

How utterly insulting to God!

You have judged God as unworthy of your theology.

If I were you, I would beg the Lord’s forgiveness.

Quickly.

 

[OsculeturMeOsculo]

When Mary replied to the archangel Gabriel, who was speaking on God’s behalf, she replied the “Behold the handmaid of the Lord be it done unto me according to your Word.” Luke 1:38
Thus she is the true mother of God, because she submitted herself perfectly to God’s word. Also Jesus was also man and would also have sinned according to Romans. But Jesus is man (as well as divine) because in Romans 5:19 it states “For as by the disobedience of one man, many were made sinners; so also by the obedience of one, many shall be made just.” So Jesus had to be man in order to redeem us… The only reasons Catholics use Mary is to more perfectly honor Jesus because just as Jesus came into the world through her, so will we come to Jesus by her.

 

[OsculeturMeOsculo]

Plus in the Magnificat it says “Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.” Luke 1:48

 

[Techno2000]

So you’re saying just because a statue made by man of her was made and that declares her holy?

No, it shows the kind of martyrdom she when through .

 

[anon68864946]

Soften your hearts and simply pray that your eyes be opened… This is so foolish to be “admiring” such acts and wasting time…

I think it is you that needs to soften your heart. Praying for you, that you come to love Mary as much as Jesus loves His Mother!
“Abandoning the Mother is but one step from abandoning the Son!”
+J.M.J+

 

[Techno2000]

“My mother and brothers are those who hear God’s word and put it into practice.”

She passed that test with flying colors.

 

[Techno2000]

I see you devote an entire month for such Mary.

I never heard of this, can you elaborate.

 

[Techno2000]

I feel how you focus so much on Mary is such a distraction off the entire picture, that should be focused on Jesus. For our time is short, why waste any of it on mother Mary?

"you are the vessel and tabernacle containing all mysteries. You know what the Patriarchs never knew; you have experienced what was never revealed to the Angels; you have heard what the Prophets never heard. In a word, all that was hidden from preceding generations was made known to you; even more, most of these wonders depended on you. (270 A.D., St. Gregory Thaumaturgus),

 

[Gorgias]

Mary was a human right? Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”

If you want to understand that snippet of a verse well, you’ll need more context than that:

“What advantage is there in being a Jew… are we better off? Not entirely, for we have already brought the charge against Jews and Greeks alike that they are all under the domination of sin. … For there is no distinction; all have sinned.” (Romans 3:1, 9, 22, 23)

You see, brother, that Paul is talking about two groups of people – Jews and Greeks – and in doing so, when referencing both groups, he uses the word “all”. (In v9, “Jews and Greeks alike… are all under the domination of sin.”)

So, when you quote v23, “all have sinned,” Paul means “Jews and Greeks alike have sinned”, not “all persons who have ever lived have sinned.” After all, as @Edwin points out, you wouldn’t say that a child who dies as an infant has sinned… would you? That right there would nullify your case and make the Bible a liar. We can’t hold that to be true!

Therefore, when we see a situation in which the Bible appears to contradict itself, then we must ask where our understanding is in error. Clearly, it’s in your assertion about Romans 3:23, wouldn’t you say?

For you say she was made clean when she conceived Jesus

No, that’s not what Catholics say. When Catholics speak of the “Immaculate Conception”, they’re talking about the conception of Mary in her mother’s womb, and not the conception of Jesus in Mary’s womb. Mary wasn’t “made clean” when she conceived Jesus; rather, she was conceived without sin and remained so throughout her life. Gabriel’s exclamation to her (“chaire, kecharitomene!”) gives witness to the fact that she was saved through grace… but just in a different manner than the way that we are. We’re both saved by grace through faith; hers simply happened when she herself was conceived.

but as I stated before all our slates our wiped clean when we are forgiven.

Correct. Mary’s “slate was wiped clean” at her own conception.

 

[Trishie]

Have you noted what happened at the Wedding Feast at Cana.
Mary interceded with Jesus and obtained from Him the favour she sought for the wedding hosts.
Jesus had brushed aside the concern that the hosts would lose face over th3 fact that the wine had run out.
He asked what did that have to do with Him,
And said that His time for signs hadn’t yet come.
Mary showed her faith in His mercy by simply telling the help just to do as He asked.
In response to her request on the hosts behalf, and her trust in Him, Jesus granted the miracle, by turning water into wine.

Jesus Himself thereby showed that He values His Mother’s intercession for others, so why should we discount the value that Jesus places on Mary’s prayers for others, ourselves included?

John 2: 1-11

 

[Techno2000]

I feel how you focus so much on Mary is such a distraction off the entire picture, that should be focused on Jesus. For our time is short, why waste any of it on mother Mary?

Sub Tuum Praesidium

Beneath your compassion,
We take refuge, O Mother of God
do not despise our petitions in time of trouble:
but rescue us from dangers,
only pure, only blessed one.

 

[Techno2000]

I feel how you focus so much on Mary is such a distraction off the entire picture, that should be focused on Jesus. For our time is short, why waste any of it on mother Mary?

“It becomes you to be mindful of us, as you stand near Him Who granted you all graces, for you are the Mother of God and our Queen. Help us for the sake of the King, the Lord God Master Who was born of you. For this reason you are called ‘full of Grace’…” (373 AD, St. Athanasius).

 

[Techno2000]

I feel how you focus so much on Mary is such a distraction off the entire picture, that should be focused on Jesus. For our time is short, why waste any of it on mother Mary?

"Blessed Virgin Mary, who can worthily repay you with praise and thanksgiving for having rescued a fallen world by your generous consent? …accept then such poor thanks as we have to offer, unequal though they be to your merits. Receive our gratitude and obtain by your prayers the pardon of our sins. Take our prayers into the sanctuary of heaven and enable them to bring about our peace with God…Holy Mary, help the miserable, strengthen the discouraged, comfort the sorrowful, pray for your people, plead for the clergy, intercede for all women consecrated to God. May all who venerate you, feel now your help and protection. …Make it your continual care to pray for the people of God, for you were blessed by God and were made worthy to bear the Redeemer of the world, who lives and reigns for ever (St Augustine in 430 A.D. ).

 

[Vico]

… Yes respect, but why so much?
… But Mary committed sin in her life.
… For our time is short, why waste any of it on mother Mary?

Catholics believe that it is possible to avoid all sins mortal and venial sins for the entire life by special privilege of God. – Council of Trent:

Can. 23. If anyone shall say that a man once justified can sin no more, nor lose grace, and that therefore he who falls and sins was never truly justified; or, on the contrary, that throughout his whole life he can avoid all sins even venial sins, except by a special privilege of God, as the Church holds in regard to the Blessed Virgin: let him be anathema.

Catholics commonly believe that in consequence of a Special Privilege of Grace from God, Mary was free from every personal sin during her whole life.

Saved yes: ‘My soul rejoices in God my savior’ said the Virgin Mary (Theotokos) in Luke 1:47.

All do not sin personally, for all is the general use all such as used here: Romans (11:26) “all Israel will be saved”.

Revelations 12

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared by God, that there they should feed her a thousand two hundred sixty days.

The Virgin Mary is the Sign, always pointing to her Son, so there is always the focus on Jesus Christ. From the Byzantine Divine Liturgy:

It is truly proper to glorify you, O Theotokos,
the ever-blessed, immaculate, and the Mother of our God.
More honorable than the Cherubim
and beyond compare more glorious than the Seraphim;
who, a virgin, gave birth to God the Word,
you, truly the Theotokos, we magnify.

Deacon: Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever and forever. Amen. Lord, have mercy. Lord, have mercy. Lord, have mercy. Give the blessing.
Celebrant: May Christ, our true God, [if it is Sunday, add: risen from the dead,] have mercy on us and save us through the prayers of his most pure Mother; and of our holy father John Chrysostom, archbishop of Constantinople; and through the prayers of all the saints; for Christ is good and loves us all.

 

[Vico]

… So why not devote an entire month for John the baptist?

As noted on the Byzantine Catholic site http://www.archpitt.org/the-veneration-of-st-john-the-baptist-according-to-the-byzantine-tradition/

The veneration of St. John the Baptist is very ancient and became widespread in the East and the West from the early centuries. In the Byzantine Rite every Tuesday is dedicated to his memory, with some special commemorative days:

1. On January 7th-THE SYNAXIS OF ST. JOHN THE BAPTIST, the most ancient feast in commemoration of him who ” baptized Our Lord in the Jordan River.”
2. On February 24th-THE FIRST AND THE SECOND FINDING OF THE VENERABLE HEAD, in commemoration of the first discovery of the precious relic in Jerusalem and then, for the second time, in Spelaion, near Emessa. It was on February 24, 457, that the venerable head of the Baptist was solemnly transferred to Constantiniple and deposited in the church of Prodromos (Precursor) for publ ic veneration.
3. On May 25th-THE THIRD FINDING OF THE VENERABLE HEAD is observed, since it was on May 25, 857, that the precious relic was solemnly translated from Comana back to Constantinople.
4. On June 24th we celebrate the feast of THE NATIVITY OF ST. JOHN THE BAPTIST, which was introduced at the end of the fourth century.
5. Also since the fourth centu ry we celebrate the feast of THE BEHEADING OF ST. JOHN THE BAPTIST on August 29th, the anniversary of the dedication of his church in Sebaste. The Byzantine Church, in commemoration of John’s beheading, prescribes a fast on that day.
6. On September 23rd-THE CONCEPTION OF ST. JOHN THE BAPTIST is commemorated, on account of the special intervention of God in his birth (Lk. 1 :5-25) . The Roman Church discontinued this commemoration by the end of the 15th century.

The liturgical veneration of St. John the Baptist in the Byzantine Rite received its definite form by the ninth century.

 

[Maximilian75]

The months of May and October

 

[Zaccheus]

@JesusisLord:

We don’t take our eyes off Jesus to look at Mary. We look to Mary to help us gain greater devotion to Jesus.
Yes, we honor her. She’s the mother of Jesus. Can you claim to be my friend if you disrespect my mom?

 

[Gorgias]

midori:

Can you give an example of three things she did incorrectly?

1. She lost Jesus when he was 12.

No… Jesus decided to stay behind and ‘teach’ the teachers of the law.

1. She broke with tradition at the wedding in Cana when women and men would have been segregated by approaching Jesus who says ‘What the heck are you doing here? I’m not ready to leave yet’:
   And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
   Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.

Wow… that’s a pretty fractured understanding of “my hour is not yet come”…

(Instead, you might ponder whether it has less to do with leaving a party than it has to do with performing his first public miracle. And, when he does do what Mary asks, it gives reason to ponder whether “Mother knows best”… )

1. She’s a woman
   Simon Peter said to them, “Make Mary leave us, for females don’t deserve life.”
   Jesus said, “Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven.” (Gospel of Thomas 114)

Well, there you go. If that’s what the Methodist Church teaches, then I’ve learned all I need to know about it.

(If, on the other hand, you’re just joking… please use emojis!!!)

 

[CapitalistCatholic]

Seems you picked a fight without being all that prepared. I’ve nothing to say because the wonderful people above me did an amazing job. I was originally going to reference the Lost Gospel of James, but I now find it unnecessary.