Movie stars of yesteryear

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I looked up Donald Crisp and realized he was the father of Elizabeth Taylor’s character in ‘National Velvet,’ a movie which I used to watch on an almost daily basis with my son (because he was fascinated by the horses, I think). I didn’t know he was in so much else.
 
Alistair Sim was marvellous, you may remember him from the original St Trinians films and also the original The Ladykillers.

Bob Hope is one of my favourite comedians but excellent with Bing Crosby in the Road to…movies. Great stuff.
 
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Oh I didn’t know that, brilliant! I’m very fond of him and often reminded of him by Kelsey Grammer.
Thanks.
 
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Much as I love the Duke, and I do, it seems to me he always just played to type.

Which makes me shake my haad at the idea of anyone thinking he could play Genghis Khan for example. Or that dreadfully miscast bit in Greatest Story Ever Told - "trooly this wuz the Son o’ Gahhd’ - so bad it gives me the giggles just thinking about it…
 
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I agree with you on the Genghis Khan casting being ridiculous, but I think John Wayne was a good pick for the Roman officer. At that point John Wayne had been in so many movies where he played that level of military leader that it was drawing an excellent parallel between Jesus’ time and our own to have him say that line. The entire movie was not a realistic depiction in any way, it wasn’t like “Passion of the Christ” or even “Risen”, it was very symbolic.
 
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Much as I love the Duke, and I do, it seems to me he always just played to type.

Which makes me shake my haad at the idea of anyone thinking he could play Genghis Khan for example. Or that dreadfully miscast bit in Greatest Story Ever Told - "trooly this wuz the Son o’ Gahhd’ - so bad it gives me the giggles just thinking about it…
“Well truly this was the son of Gawd, pilgrim …” I haven’t seen the movie yet I can hear this line loud and clear.

Why did Wayne talk like that anyway, does anyone know?
 
There are some that are my favorites. too many to list.
I like Gregory Peck especially the ones where he played a priest.
( The Scarlet and The Black (1983)) and almost everyone loves “To Kill a Mockingbird.”
Once Mr. Peck as a young man pondered entering the Priesthood.
He did a talk on his life; normally a private man, but he was urged into it.
I really enjoy the story of how he started dating his future wife.
I forget how he met her; but he telephoned where she worked as a journalist to have lunch. After some wait she came to the phone; and she didn’t seem too enthused.
So he was expecting a ‘I’m not interested’ lunch meeting. But he got up the courage
to inquire why she was so hesitant on the telephone. She replied that she had to postpone an interview with Albert Schweitzer the famous philanthropist to go to lunch!

Which brings me to another favorite, Audrey Hepburn. There were certain movies
in my family as a youth that we traditionally watched every year on TV.
“The Ten Commandments,” “The Greatest Story Ever Told,” “Miracle on 34th Street,”
But also, “Gone With The Wind,” “The Wizard of Oz,” “Oklahoma”, “The Music Man.”
and some others.
But I will never forget “My Fair Lady.” Which seems to me, a little like a female version
of “Great Expectations” — every single year my mom would laugh and laugh at the scene
when Eliza; just learning to speak as a lady, drifted at the horse races to say;
-Come on Dobber, Come on Dobber!, move your bloomin’ arse!-

But that is not why I “love” her so much. It was because she gave so much of the last
part of her life to helping starving needy children as U.N. Ambassador for them.
I remember once, in 1993 or so; just seeing a little video piece about her doing this after
she tragically succumbed to cancer. My heart leaped in my chest because of her help of the poor. But it wasn’t until many years later I watched some biographies of her life (2008) - and I do not know why I was drawn to do this. I liked Roman Holiday; but they
could have at least had one Church scene in Rome, after all. And it is so funny, when they shot the scene where they each had to put their hand in the statue of truth; where if a person didn’t tell the truth legend had it a person would lose their hand. They didn’t tell
her that Gregory Peck was going to pretend to lose his hand; he grabbed his sleeve and
pretended… then she screamed… then he showed his hand… and she hit his chest saying,
‘you beast!’ And when they had their parting in the car she couldn’t cry… (maybe because
the memories of what her family went through in Arnhem, Neth were too painful; plus she was it was her first film. So the director, who was very patient with her the whole time; decided he had enough; and pretended to be very angry and yelled at her; so she
burst into tears, and they shot the scene. (cont…) sorry for going on…
 
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Besides being reminded of the poverty in the world with so many suffering so much;
sometimes the rare occasions when I think of her now; and I could not get myself to watch, ‘Unforgiven’ again after I learned of the tragedy of her miscarriage when making it. She and her husband Mel Ferrer mourned that child very much. My heart gets heavy over this because of so much child killing in the world.
But God will end it, that is for sure! And I will do all I am able to help.

I liked "Cool Hand Luke,’ and some other Paul Newman films. But my favorite thing about him was him starting real summer camp for severely disabled children. “Hole in The Wall Gang.” Camps.

sorry for going on… have a blessed Our Lady of Guadalupe Day! Happy Advent!
 
Why did Wayne talk like that anyway, does anyone know?
John Wayne would have had a Midwestern-mixed-with-Western accent to start because he spent his childhood in Iowa and then moved to California. He was an actor in the early days of sound, so it was really important to have a sellable voice. John Ford told him to imitate an older cowboy actor named Harry Carey, Sr., so that’s what John Wayne did.

I grew up in the Midwest and to me he sounds like somebody from the Midwest (think newscaster, they’re all trained there) trying to drawl like a Western cowboy.
 
“Well truly this was the son of Gawd, pilgrim …” I haven’t seen the movie yet I can hear this line loud and clear.

Apparently there was an outtake where, for a joke, he had drawled it in a really Western style way more so than this, causing everybody to laugh.
 
Oh yes, absolutely agree.

I did think (and I may be in the minority on this) Superman Returns was an honorable attempt to pick up the story threads from the end of Superman II (ignoring III and IV from the Reeve series). Returns also was not over-CGI’ed to the point of looking like a video game like the last hour or so of Man of Steel was.

But the first two movies of the Reeve Superman series remain the best, and Reeve was the best actor to portray the character (may he RIP).
 
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I agree with you on the Genghis Khan casting being ridiculous, but I think John Wayne was a good pick for the Roman officer. At that point John Wayne had been in so many movies where he played that level of military leader that it was drawing an excellent parallel between Jesus’ time and our own to have him say that line. The entire movie was not a realistic depiction in any way, it wasn’t like “Passion of the Christ” or even “Risen”, it was very symbolic.
The difficulty is - to my mind the word that best sums up a good actor is “versatility”. In other words, a good actor can in theory deliver a role or a line in numerous ways, and the best way, employed by the best actors, is the one which best fits in with the director’s vision for the role and the movie and best blends in with the other performances unless the character is designed to stand out in some way.

Now what can we know about the director’s vision for TGSET and John Wayne’s role in particular? Was it intended to make the story of Christ - or any part of it - relatable to a modern day audience?

If it was, why the epic treatment? Why the 1st century Palestinian setting and costuming? Why the 1600s King-James-Bible English? Why the mostly plummy classically-trained accents of the actors? Why the 200-year-old classical music?

The answer is - it wasn’t. 99% of the movie is stock-standard Hollywood Bible Epic with a capital H, B and E. The other 1% is John Wayne. There is no way that effect would be intended as a part of the film, or a deliberate artistic choice by the director, Wayne (if he be a capable actor) or anyone else, given the tendency of all the other artistic choices of the film.

The only plausible conclusion left is that it was a clunky performance due to JW’s limitations as an actor, and that the director and everyone else was too soft and reluctant to either cut him or tell him to play it differently.
 
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Why did Wayne talk like that anyway, does anyone know?
John Wayne would have had a Midwestern-mixed-with-Western accent to start because he spent his childhood in Iowa and then moved to California. He was an actor in the early days of sound, so it was really important to have a sellable voice. John Ford told him to imitate an older cowboy actor named Harry Carey, Sr., so that’s what John Wayne did.

I grew up in the Midwest and to me he sounds like somebody from the Midwest (think newscaster, they’re all trained there) trying to drawl like a Western cowboy.
There’s also the story that Wayne knew Wyatt Earp, who was an old man and still alive when Wayne was a young actor, and that this also had an influence on his acting. Fascinating if true.
 
The difficulty is - to my mind the word that best sums up a good actor is “versatility”
I completely disagree with this, especially in terms of old movies.

People did not go to the movies back in the olden days to watch Humphrey Bogart or John Wayne or Edward G. Robinson be “versatile” or play against type. The studio system was also built on having a library of “types” that were used again and again in similar roles. It’s the difference between old movies, and more modern movies where actors have a lot of independence and displaying a broad range is valued, partly because people are not going to the movies every week and selecting a certain movie because they expect to see a “John Wayne picture” or an “Edward G. Robinson picture” etc.

John Wayne played one type over and over. He played it so well it became an archetype. Some people don’t like it and some people find it hammy and laughable, but I’m happy watching John Wayne be John Wayne. Genghis Khan was pushing it a bit too far, as John Wayne will never be a Genghis Khan type, plus the refusal to use actual ethnic actors for appropriate parts was just silly (plus wasn’t that the movie filmed on a nuclear test range that gave everybody working on it cancer from leftover radiation?)

We also have some more modern actors who basically play the same type over and over. Jack Nicholson, for example, pretty much plays Jack Nicholson in every film he’s in. Same for Clint Eastwood.
 
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He did pretty well playing tough military characters - kind of an updated version of the “cowboy” ethos.

I didn’t mind him as a cop either. Cops and military aren’t far off from each other. Now, Genghis Khan, that was just weird though.
 
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NEVER!!! Harrison Ford was made to play Indy!!

And Tom Selleck didn’t turn it down, per se, he really had no choice as he was in contract to play Magnum.

Regarding Henry & Witness were also very good Harrison Ford movies.

Back to the thread topic- Montgomery Clift & Elizabeth Taylor!
 
John Wayne may have had a limited range as an actor, but he COULD have been one of the greatest movie directors. I once saw a rare film of his directing one of his movies, and I must say that man seemed to know EVERYTHING about every detail and every shot of the film. I have NEVER seen anything quite like it with regard to the detail involved in Wayne’s direction of the takes. Unfortunately I have no idea where that short film came from and have never seen it again.
 
Yes, Donald Crisp was literally in hundreds of films (many of them great films) but, to my knowledge, never played a leading man.
 
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