MOVIES: Deliver Us From Evil

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Caesar ,Many victims in Ireland are saying the Popes words are meaning less ,They want actions not words, And what are the use of the Sacraments from some who does not care ??? Many words have been used by victims and none are nice
 
This is why many victims are outraged by the Popes Silence …Primo Levi, the Italian writer who gave us probably the most compelling account of life and death in a German concentration camp, told of a recurring nightmare common among inmates.

He and his fellow sufferers at Auschwitz dreamt of a time in the future when they were free and were trying to tell people of the horrors in the camps, of the depths of depravity to which human beings are capable of sinking. Despite their desperate efforts to be heard, no one would listen or believe. They cried out and people turned their backs.

And this is indeed what happened to Levi himself. For over 10 years, publisher after publisher rejected If This Is a Man, his memoir of Auschwitz. It is now of course an undisputed classic of 20th century literature.

Last Tuesday, a remarkable book was launched in this country. As a manuscript, it lay undiscovered for almost half a century. Its author, Peter Tyrrell, had tragically committed suicide almost 40 years ago by setting himself alight on London’s Hampstead Heath. Like Primo Levi, he was determined that people hear his tale of horror, and, like Levi, he was ignored and dismissed.

Tyrrell is a rare phenomenon of post-Independence Ireland - he is a genuine hero. His memoir, Founded on Fear, was discovered recently by historian Diarmuid Whelan in the National Library among the papers of the late Senator Owen Sheehy-Skeffington. It tells of the grinding poverty of his childhood in County Galway, and his removal at the age of eight to the industrial school at Letterfrack in Connemara. It also covers his subsequent years in the British army during the second World War. He was wounded and captured in 1945, and memorably describes his German prisoner-of-war camp as “heaven on earth” compared to Letterfrack.

Tyrrell’s account of the seven years of his childhood spent at the Christian Brothers’ institution has a childlike directness, an absence of self-pity and a unique even-handedness which place his memoir among the most powerful of the genre. Written in 1958, it is also the very earliest such account that we know of, and consequently a document of enormous historical significance.

In a powerfully dispassionate manner, largely unburdened by any tone of moralising, he describes the appalling reality of life for a child at Letterfrack during the 1920s and 1930s. He tells of the savage and sadistic beatings administered by a number of Brothers - boys of all ages were usually attacked from behind, so they never knew when it was coming. They were hit repeatedly, often up to 20 times, on the head and back at full force with a variety of weapons, from hefty sticks and leathers to thick rubber strips reinforced with metal wire.

Tyrrell recounts the systematic destruction of little boys, his mates, as they are literally in some cases driven mad by the endless torture they experience. On one occasion, his own arm was broken during an attack and he was ordered to tell the doctor that he had fallen down the stairs. Founded on Fear is also a rich and detailed account of daily life in Letterfrack, with all its incomprehensible contradictions. Tyrrell talks about how the Brothers completely changed personality on Christmas Day, playing and joking with the boys in the friendliest fashion. He describes outings arranged by Brothers who went to great lengths to ensure that the children enjoyed themselves.

He also refers to Brothers who did not beat the children - by no means all were cruel and vicious. In short, he does not shy away from the oddly schizophrenic nature of these places.

It is this fair-mindedness which has been highlighted by the Christian Brothers in their statement about Tyrrell’s book this week. In an unusual step, they have commented favourably on the memoir, and have taken the opportunity both to apologise unreservedly to victims of similar abuse and to acknowledge publicly their failings when during the 1950s Tyrrell himself came to confront them with their abuse of children.

It was an extraordinarily brave action on his part. He was concerned that children might be still suffering from such cruelty at their institutions and he wanted it stopped. The Brothers, however, refused to listen. Documents supplied to the Child Abuse Commission show that their primary concern was that he might try to blackmail them.
 
Today, many of those abused at Christian Brother institutions during the very years when Peter Tyrrell was seeking to expose it have been deeply hurt by what they perceive as the Brothers’ continuing denial of their responsibility for such widespread crimes against children. In this context, it is important to acknowledge the honesty of the Christian Brothers’ statement accepting the validity of Peter Tyrrell’s memoir. It is their most generous public utterance to date. It is all that he asked for when he was alive.

Even now, so many years after his despairing suicide, it is still not too late to express such sincere contrition.

© The Irish Times ,this is a true account of the horror many children faced in Ireland Both boys and girls ,If it is removed its because i may have broken the rules again
 
michaelmac said:
And what are the use of the Sacraments from some who does not care ???
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I think the smoke of Satan has indeed entered the Church from the inside.

The Sacraments are what keeps it the Church, though. The sin of the priest does not lessen the “usefulness” of the Sacraments.
 
Most seem to miss the point. “Deliver Us…” shows the two separate crimes of our clergy. First is the actual abuse of our children by trusted clergy. Second, perhaps more sinister, is the vast cover-up by the Hierarchy that shuffled criminal pedophiles from parish to parish.

Some of the pervert abusers can blame their evils on mental or emotion disturbance. But the cover-up was done by those with the intellectual resources to rise to leadership and authority in the Church. They knew exactly what they were doing and can blame nothing but their own ambition. Accountability for these enablers, has been mostly ignored.

In the past few day, BXVI has addressed the disaster directly and I hope will make his views loud and clear to our tone-deaf American hierarchy. I truly hope he will follow up with strong, more explicit measures.

di-ve.com/dive/portal/portal.jhtml?id=254492
 
The Pope expressed…
his own personal anguish and horror at what he called the incomprehensible behaviour of those clergy.
And nowhere does he express his views on the incomprehensible behaviour of the Catholic Church in moving child abusers from parish to parish so facilitating these abusers.
 
I think this scandal will, historically, turn out to be as big as the things that preceeded the reformation. The only thing that keeps me spiritually sane is God’s promise not to leave His Church. But, I do think that the consequences of this will stretch out, perhaps for centuries.
 
mary_s_kid said:
Did anybody get what was said on The View regarding how they implicated the Pope covering up or not investigating the sex scandal? I didn’t hear the whole thing but Rosie O’Donnell said the coverup goes as high as the Pope. What was the comment about and what are the facts regarding the Pope’s involvement?
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You take ANYTHING on the View seriously–let alone the profoudly disturbed, profoundly biased O"Donnell???
 
michaelmac said:
The Pope expressed…
his own personal anguish and horror at what he called the incomprehensible behaviour of those clergy.
And nowhere does he express his views on the incomprehensible behaviour of the Catholic Church in moving child abusers from parish to parish so facilitating these abusers.
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I think HH was being as direct as he could in a public statement. His statements were broad enough to show that he was not addressing only the actual abusers but recognized the Church’s institutional problems too.

I really don’t know what tools or leverage the Vatican has left to deal with such things. The Pope’s authority in anything but pronouncements of fundamental dogma or naming new bishops has apparently disappeared.
 
DWPC said:
The Pope’s authority in anything but pronouncements of fundamental dogma or naming new bishops has apparently disappeared.
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That’s really sad. Someone has to have the authority to discipline bishops, or we have the Episcopal church.
 
Lion_of_Narnia said:
You take ANYTHING on the View seriously–let alone the profoudly disturbed, profoundly biased O"Donnell???
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I haven’t looked at this thread in a couple days but who says I take stuff said on the View seriously? I stated that I heard something and I was trying to get clarification and hopefully some ammunition for when friends or coworkers confront me with this.

I’m a busy mom and I don’t have the time I’d like to research everything on my own that I would need to defend the Church and the Pope. That’s one of the main reasons I come to these forums.

I never said I was a Rosie O’Donnell or Joy Behar groupie (although they are children of God too------don’t you agree?😉 ). Just because I may have left the TV on for background noise one day doesn’t mean my faith is in question.
 
mary_s_kid said:
I haven’t looked at this thread in a couple days but who says I take stuff said on the View seriously? I stated that I heard something and I was trying to get clarification and hopefully some ammunition for when friends or coworkers confront me with this.

…I never said I was a Rosie O’Donnell or Joy Behar groupie (although they are children of God too------don’t you agree?😉 ). Just because I may have left the TV on for background noise one day doesn’t mean my faith is in question.
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I apologize, the rhetorical question I posed was not directed at you personaly, but I didn’t qualify it–it was more opsed as a general comment on that “show”
 
Lion’s Gate (the distribution company who has the rights to Deliver Us From Evil) has taken the trailer (starring C. Mahony and rapist Fr. O’Grady) from it’s website.

Why would a company who has paid substantial money to buy the rights and to distribute a movie stop advertising it with a trailer on it’s website? (when ALL the other movies it has in theaters DO have trailers).

Simply stupid? I don’t think so - probably a LOT of $$$ involved.

There IS a link at the NY Times where you CAN still see the trailer.

movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/trailer.html?v_id=354052

If a moderator might add this link to the bottom of the first post, that would be most helpful.

Thank you
Angel
 
I just watched a documentary today about the scandals with the priests who were molesting or abusing (however you want to say it) children. I don’t care if they were boys or girls. I don’t care what their ages were. They were still kids. Here’s a question that I hope somebody will answer. Why is it that President Bush pardoned the Pope from being called into prosecution when it came time for trial? I don’t get why The Vatican asked for this? Now, I’m not going to say much because I’m not going to get blasted for this. I also want to know if there is a documentary on the defense of these priests who performed these acts on these kids. I’m not going against the Catholic faith. I’m really not. I just can’t figure why it is that the Catholic Church did what they did in the beginning. Not only has the Catholic Church hurt themselves in more ways than one, but the people behind the scandal have literally ruined these peoples lives and it’s like the Catholic Church at first didn’t even want to acknowledge that it was happening. Now, if anybody writes me telling me that the rate for abusing children is higher outside the Catholic religion, I would like them to send me a link or what ever that shows me the proof of this. When I saw Deliver Us From Evil today, not only was I shocked and dismayed, but extremely disappointed with the Catholic Church and feeling like I don’t think I’ll be able to walk into another Catholic Church again. I was baptized and raised a catholic. My father is and always will be a defender of the catholic faith. I don’t have anything against the religion itself, it’s the people behind it. If it’s true that President Bush pardoned the Pope from prosecution and stuff like that, I find it hard to find him infallible right now. I’m sorry, I do. I can’t see how a man who would do something like ignore what was going on or even deny it would be elected Pope. That’s just me. Like I said, if there is a documentary defending what’s been going on, I’d like to know the title of it. You can email me at Angela_Nolan1980@yahoo.com
 
I haven’t seen the documentary, and am not informed about Bush “pardoning” the Pope (though it seems somewhat odd to me that somebody could be “pardoned” from prosecution, or that the US could prosecute the Pope, the head of a different country or that the US president could somehow order courts who can and who cannot be called in).
I just wanted to say two things.

First, this has nothing to do with the infallibility of the Pope (this is a very common misunderstanding). Even if the Pope himself was the most wicked man on earth, he would still be infallible.
It is not Pope as the person, who’s infallible, but rather Pope as the Office (if I may say so). It’s somewhat similar to the police. Just because we have some corrupt cops (even if the chief of police was corrupt), the police as an institution doesn’t lose its authority - they can still pull us over for driving too fast, or arresting us for burglaries.

Second, if you contemplate leaving the Church because of the awful things some of its clergy has done, you might as well leave Christianity (since every somewhat major denomination have had their own child abuses) or any religion, for that matter. In fact, you might as well move to an uninhabited island away from the police, doctors, teachers, etc (who have their child abuse cases), and especially families, since fathers are known to be the worst child abusers of all.

This is no excuse whatsoever of the sin and horrific harm some priests (and even some bishops) have caused, but the sad truth is that we live in a very morally corrupt society, and this corruption has spilled in the Church as well (which in a broader sense can be seen even since St. Paul’s times).
 
littlebit122280 said:
I just watched a documentary today about the scandals with the priests who were molesting or abusing (however you want to say it) children. I don’t care if they were boys or girls. I don’t care what their ages were. They were still kids. Here’s a question that I hope somebody will answer. Why is it that President Bush pardoned the Pope from being called into prosecution when it came time for trial? I don’t get why The Vatican asked for this? Now, I’m not going to say much because I’m not going to get blasted for this. I also want to know if there is a documentary on the defense of these priests who performed these acts on these kids. I’m not going against the Catholic faith. I’m really not. I just can’t figure why it is that the Catholic Church did what they did in the beginning. Not only has the Catholic Church hurt themselves in more ways than one, but the people behind the scandal have literally ruined these peoples lives and it’s like the Catholic Church at first didn’t even want to acknowledge that it was happening. Now, if anybody writes me telling me that the rate for abusing children is higher outside the Catholic religion, I would like them to send me a link or what ever that shows me the proof of this. When I saw Deliver Us From Evil today, not only was I shocked and dismayed, but extremely disappointed with the Catholic Church and feeling like I don’t think I’ll be able to walk into another Catholic Church again. I was baptized and raised a catholic. My father is and always will be a defender of the catholic faith. I don’t have anything against the religion itself, it’s the people behind it. If it’s true that President Bush pardoned the Pope from prosecution and stuff like that, I find it hard to find him infallible right now. I’m sorry, I do. I can’t see how a man who would do something like ignore what was going on or even deny it would be elected Pope. That’s just me. Like I said, if there is a documentary defending what’s been going on, I’d like to know the title of it. You can email me at Angela_Nolan1980@yahoo.com
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Don’t know about a documentry but go pick up the book “Courage to Be Catholic” by George Weigel… Very objective look at all the questions you have. I’d try to summarize points but I wouldn’t do it justice.
 
andzy said:
I haven’t seen the documentary, and am not informed about Bush “pardoning” the Pope (though it seems somewhat odd to me that somebody could be “pardoned” from prosecution, or that the US could prosecute the Pope, the head of a different country or that the US president could somehow order courts who can and who cannot be called in).
I just wanted to say two things.

First, this has nothing to do with the infallibility of the Pope (this is a very common misunderstanding). Even if the Pope himself was the most wicked man on earth, he would still be infallible.
It is not Pope as the person, who’s infallible, but rather Pope as the Office (if I may say so). It’s somewhat similar to the police. Just because we have some corrupt cops (even if the chief of police was corrupt), the police as an institution doesn’t lose its authority - they can still pull us over for driving too fast, or arresting us for burglaries.

Second, if you contemplate leaving the Church because of the awful things some of its clergy has done, you might as well leave Christianity (since every somewhat major denomination have had their own child abuses) or any religion, for that matter. In fact, you might as well move to an uninhabited island away from the police, doctors, teachers, etc (who have their child abuse cases), and especially families, since fathers are known to be the worst child abusers of all.

This is no excuse whatsoever of the sin and horrific harm some priests (and even some bishops) have caused, but the sad truth is that we live in a very morally corrupt society, and this corruption has spilled in the Church as well (which in a broader sense can be seen even since St. Paul’s times).
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I like the middle part of this whole thing, kind of funny. You’re right on that. What I’m wondering is, if the church knew that the pope knew about these things and did nothing or just ignored him, why did they elect him as the new pope. I don’t understand that.
Thanks for your reply though. I appreciate it. God Bless.
 
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