Despiration or not, I find it ironic that he has to go to this length to get “information” he needs for one of his “documentaries”.Michael Moore Makes ‘Sicko’ Appeal
Michael Moore is apparently so desperate to dig up dirt on drug companies and health-care providers for his next documentary, “Sicko,” he’s asking visitors to his Web site to help him out. But given the glaring conflict between what the filmmaker says about drug companies and how he invests in them, the title of the movie might well apply to Moore himself.
In discussing his new project, Moore has said that “being screwed by your [health-care provider] and ill-served by pharmaceutical companies is the shared American experience.”
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Why not discuss the US health care system?I guess it’s ok to discuss the merits of the Cuban health care system in this thread.
Well. I guess we could… I haven’t seen “Sicko” and will not give Mr. Moore any of my money… so while he apparently lauds the Cuban health care system, he apparently doesn’t have much good to say about the U.S. health care system. Maybe Moore doesn’t say much of anything about the U.S. health care system.Why not discuss the US health care system?
I have not seen “Sicko” either, only the numerous clips and interviews. The only references I have seen Moore make about Cuba’s healthcare system is that Cuba ranks #37 and the US ranks #34. He was not lauding Cuba’s system, but deploring America’s in contrast to a third world country.Well. I guess we could… I haven’t seen “Sicko” and will not give Mr. Moore any of my money… so while he apparently lauds the Cuban health care system, he apparently doesn’t have much good to say about the U.S. health care system. Maybe Moore doesn’t say much of anything about the U.S. health care system.
Yes, Michael Moore is a liberal. To be fair, though, he did point out in his film that Hilary Clinton has received large sums from the health care industry for her campaign.Who does those rankings, anyway?
Michael Moore is a left wing rabble rouser. He doesn’t let facts get in the way of telling his stories.
I have worked in some aspect of the US health care system since 1979. I know a lot more about it than Michael Moore does - both what is good and what is bad about it.
“Profit” is the difference between income and outgo. That’s all it is.Yes, Michael Moore is a liberal. To be fair, though, he did point out in his film that Hilary Clinton has received large sums from the health care industry for her campaign.
Query: does anyone in this forum find health-care-for-profit to be morally reprehensible?
Yes, I do think it is reprehensible for pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies to make mega-profits at the expense of the most vulnerable, the ill and dying.Yes, Michael Moore is a liberal. To be fair, though, he did point out in his film that Hilary Clinton has received large sums from the health care industry for her campaign.
Query: does anyone in this forum find health-care-for-profit to be morally reprehensible?
If you have “facts” to refute MM’s allegations and you know a lot more than MM, why not let the rest of us in on them, rather than shooting the messenger?Who does those rankings, anyway?
Michael Moore is a left wing rabble rouser. He doesn’t let facts get in the way of telling his stories.
I have worked in some aspect of the US health care system since 1979. I know a lot more about it than Michael Moore does - both what is good and what is bad about it.
Absolutely right. Basic rule of economics: Everybody gets paid. The only variation is what we will accept as currency. Health-care and medicine doesn’t drop from Heaven like mana. It costs somebody somewhere lots of time, money and research to make. As it has been said by others, if you think health-care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it’s free.“Profit” is the difference between income and outgo. That’s all it is.
If you don’t have a profit, then you have a loss. If you have a loss, you will have no choice but to go out of business.
So called “non-profit” organizations do make profits. They call them surpluses or some other names and they pay salaries, some of which are quite generous.
Problem is Micheal Moore offers no proof that any of the anecdotal stories he tells are true. he interviews a person and takes their word as Gospel and wont give out the name of the Hospital or insurance company, etc involved so one can check out the other side of the story.If you have “facts” to refute MM’s allegations and you know a lot more than MM, why not let the rest of us in on them, rather than shooting the messenger?
I would be quite open to hearing “the rest of the story” I can only go by what I have witnessed in my own family and in over 25 years in the health care industry.
We were discussing the lack of health insurance with our two daughters just yesterday. They both agreed that many of those without insurance are young folks, either in school or working, who are not covered by parents insurance and who have not gotten any on their own. This can be because it is not offered where they work, or it can be, as daughters stressed, because they do not want to pay the premiums and think they don’t need it anyway because they are young and healthy.Yes, I do think it is reprehensible for pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies to make mega-profits at the expense of the most vulnerable, the ill and dying.
Michael Moore, liberal though he may be, said in an interview, I saw just a couple of days ago.(paraphrased) “One of the questions Jesus is going to ask at your judgement is how did you care for your poor.”
47 million Americans are without any kind of medical insurance. My son, has 4 children and his employer offers no medical insurance. Just yesterday, we were discussing this and he said that it would cost around $1,000 a month to get insurance for the family. They barely scrape by now.
Another family member had to file bankruptcy due to huge medical bills. Someone else (niece’s husband) died at 48 because he had been on dialysis for many years and then developed a bowel obstruction. By the time they got the ok from the insurance, etc. it was too late.
So yes, I think that the whole US system is reprehensible. When the insurance companies make the decision whether we live or die, the system is broken.
Have you ever noticed that those who decry the lack of health insurance always wantt me(the business owner) to pay for it? Its easy to be compassionate with other peoples money.We were discussing the lack of health insurance with our two daughters just yesterday. They both agreed that many of those without insurance are young folks, either in school or working, who are not covered by parents insurance and who have not gotten any on their own. This can be because it is not offered where they work, or it can be, as daughters stressed, because they do not want to pay the premiums and think they don’t need it anyway because they are young and healthy.
Different non-profit organizations or academics compile rankings based upon health statistics - these can easily be found by googling. Which ranking is worth quoting, I am not sure.Who does those rankings, anyway?
America may be the world’s superpower, but its survival rate for newborn babies ranks near the bottom among modern nations, better only than Latvia.
Among 33 industrialized nations, the United States is tied with Hungary, Malta, Poland and Slovakia with a death rate of nearly 5 per 1,000 babies, according to a new report. Latvia’s rate is 6 per 1,000.
msnbc.msn.com/id/12699453/“We are the wealthiest country in the world, but there are still pockets of our population who are not getting the health care they need,” said Mary Beth Powers, a reproductive health adviser for the U.S.-based Save the Children, which compiled the rankings based on health data from countries and agencies worldwide.
The reason because we put a great effort into saving the life of a distreesed child while other countries have neither the technology or will to do the same. They record theirs as born dead-we record ours as infant mortality.Different non-profit organizations or academics compile rankings based upon health statistics - these can easily be found by googling. Which ranking is worth quoting, I am not sure.
But the U.S. has long suffered (I’ve been aware of them for 30 years) from low rankings because of abysmal infant mortality rates.
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