MSNBC’s Morning Joe rains hell on right-wing Christians for choosing Trump’s 'blasphemy' over Christ's teachings

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Yeah, like Joe Scarborough’s rant was a fresh breath of Christianity!
 
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I can’t believe this is the same guy who was in front of cameras all the time as a House member defending Bush during the 2000 election. He seemed so sane then. I suspect being mired in the environment at MSNBC coupled with being romatically involved with Mika has taken its toll.
 
I could more easily criticize what Trump said if Pelosi had not defamed the Catholic Church by claiming that her Catholic faith causes her to support abortion. She knows that’s a lie. EVery Catholic knows that’s a lie. And when she claims the man she wants to destroy now and defame for all time (as she herself said) is someone she prays for, she invites disbelief. Her spirit is so mean she ostentatiously tore up a copy of his speech that he signed, and is supposed to go into the National Archives. She so hates the man that she probably committed a crime in destroying government property.

All Trump did was point out the incongruity of her claim and her actions. I think we actually have a moral duty to do that.
 
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I am waiting for a fellow Catholic to identify something other than abortion in a moral argument. Especially when the subject of the argument is other than abortion.
I am beginning to wonder why we have a Gospell, or Jesus came for more than three days.
You called her a liar for saying she prayed.
 
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Maximus1 said:
I am waiting for a fellow Catholic to identify something other than abortion in a moral argument. Especially when the subject of the argument is other than abortion.
I am beginning to wonder why we have a Gospell, or Jesus came for more than three days.
You called her a liar for saying she prayed.
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I think people just don’t like hypocrisy when moral arguments are played out. Jesus called out the Pharisees for their hypocrisy (“Do as they say, but not as they do”). Trump was wrong to use a prayer breakfast for a political attack, however, the hypocrisy of those attacking him is deafening.

Regarding abortion: Its hard to listen to advocates for the killing of the unborn moralize. Pete Buttigieg could not bring himself to saying killing an infant after birth was wrong or immoral. Why do I care what else he has to say about morality? Hasn’t he, or other politicians in the same boat, forfeited the right to preach about morality?
 
Maximus1 said:
I am waiting for a fellow Catholic to identify something other than abortion in a moral argument. Especially when the subject of the argument is other than abortion.
I am beginning to wonder why we have a Gospell, or Jesus came for more than three days.
You called her a liar for saying she prayed.
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I’m sorry, counselor, but I refuse to discount abortion as if it was some kind of trifle. It’s killing human beings by ripping them apart. This country legalized that and one political party wants to keep it going and to make everyone pay for it, and to force religious objectors to be complicit or face financial ruin.

All other issues pale to insignificance in the face of that. Do you really think Jesus is okay with that? Do you really?

I am free to doubt Nancy Pelosi, counselor, or at least I am until your party installs the thought police, which I’m confident they will be glad to do some day. And when she lies about the teachings of the Church, I am disinclined to believe her in any other way.
 
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I’m sorry, counselor, but I refuse to discount abortion as if it was some kind of trifle. It’s killing human beings by ripping them apart. This country legalized that and one political party wants to keep it going and to make everyone pay for it, and to force religious objectors to be complicit or face financial ruin.

All other issues pale to insignificance in the face of that. Do you really think Jesus is okay with that? Do you really?

I am free to doubt Nancy Pelosi, counselor, or at least I am until your party installs the thought police, which I’m confident they will be glad to do some day. And when she lies about the teachings of the Church, I am disinclined to believe her in any other way.
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Never mind that the pro-life strategy of the last 50 years has failed spectacularly and you deny the relationship between sex outside of marital bonds and abortion.
 
I don’t think there is a mocking of the words of Jesus Christ by Donald Trump. Loving your enemies is a very powerful Christian tenet. But if your enemy is in error then there is a difference between loving them and submitting to them.

In fact we are expected to witness against that error and be passionate for Christ against that error. I think in our time there are few who obey this expectation greater than Donald Trump, whether he realizes it or not.

I do not know President Trump but I think he is doing the work of God in many ways against recalcitrant opposition.
 
Meh, I don’t take my spiritual direction from talk show hosts. Nor am I interested in seeing someone rant on a morning show when I’m just waking up and it’s supposed to be schmoozy time with coffee.
 
Got it in one. The hypocrisy of the person ‘calling out’ the failures of others while being blind to his own failures is pure Pharisee.

And sorry for the people who are tired of hearing, ‘oh it’s just abortion’, but I don’t care if people are offering planetary UTOPIA for ‘every person on earth’ if they’re excluding millions of unborn children any chance at life itself.

I for one don’t feel at all comfortable with the idea that everybody wants my ‘welfare’ (so long as they get to decide exactly what I ‘should’ have, and do, and for how long) now that I’m here, but don’t give two spits for the living beings in their mothers’ wombs because THOSE beings are ‘inconvenient’.

Guess what? We’re already seeing pushes in the medical field for the euphemistic ‘comfort care’ not only for the elderly but also for those whose ‘care’ may be a ‘burden’ to others.
We’re seeing pushes everywhere where people are inconvenient, despite all the bleatings of how we are trying to ‘save the environment’, ‘feed the children’, ‘STEM’ programs, female empowerment, counseling, treatment, blah blah blah.

All well and good provided you accede to whatever hoops are determined by your ‘superior’ or ‘manager’ that given day. . .unless of course you fall through the cracks, or somebody messed up your paperwork, or whatever excuse of the day comes forth.

I’m not heartless. I know that not every person in prison is necessarily guilty, that not every person who comes to this country illegally is looking for a free ride, not every man is a closet rapist, not every woman is a selfish witch, not every person of color is ‘dangerous’, not every white person is racist, etc. etc. I would LOVE to have people have a better guarantee of a life with his or her needs of food, clothing, shelter met and a reasonably equal chance for liberty and the pursuit of happiness. . .but oh wait, wasn’t there another thing there that can first, oh yes, LIFE.

Wouldn’t it be one of those paradoxical things if among those innocents slaughtered in the name of choice and freedom and equality and women’s empowerment were the people who could have brought about some of those Utopian ideals? A child killed in 1973 would be 47 this year. Possibly someone who developed an AIDS vaccine. Or hammered out a real Mideast peace deal. Or developed a ‘replicator’ or other food producer that ensured no more world starvation. We won’t know, will we?
 
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Never mind that the pro-life strategy of the last 50 years has failed spectacularly
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Gains have been made, and always against the determined opposition of the Dem party. Goodness, in the Carhart case, even Kennedy found partial birth abortion too much for him. But the Dem justices, and all of them, voted to make it a constitutional right that no one could prohibit or limit.
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you deny the relationship between sex outside of marital bonds and abortion.
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Sex inside or outside of marriage can result in abortion. In the U.S., it appears more prevalent outside of marriage. In the rest of the world, it is overwhelmingly inside marriage. No cause/effect relationship other than sex and abortion can be established given those (name removed by moderator)uts. I realize you keep harping on that in order to make a bogus relationship between Trump’s having had an affair with his second wife before their marriage and abortion.

One thing Dems can be confident of, though. If Buttegieg is your candidate, he won’t be having an abortion.
 
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Guess what? We’re already seeing pushes in the medical field for the euphemistic ‘comfort care’ not only for the elderly but also for those whose ‘care’ may be a ‘burden’ to others.
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Trust me. We’re already there. My wife works with the disabled, and a call to Hospice is a call to “Joe Black”. She virtually refuses to call them because of that, so long as the patient is reasonably comfortable with non-killing meds.
 
No . Abortion cannot be the only issue. You can argue for Satan as president if he makes abortion a lost leader.
 
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Joe is a Baptist. Watching a speech where every word is retribution and revenge. Where it was the same at a prayer breakfast except Trump mocked a person’s prayers , another’s religious beliefs, and told the reverent HE COULD NOT LOVE HIS ENEMIES unequivocally.
Interestingly, Mormons believe the Constitution was divinely inspired. Which Trump doesn’t care about of course
 
That makes no difference. The point was sincerity.
Trump’s position is he has never, in his 70+ years, DONE Anything he needed God’s forgiveness for and has never asked God for forgiveness.
Find that idea in a Council
 
He had two interviews. The second with Cal Thomas who was disturbed by the first and tried to rehabilitate him. Thomas got the same answer 6 months later.
Your single sentence was about the future. Not about his life up to that point.
 
Maximus1 said:
Interestingly, Mormons believe the Constitution was divinely inspired. Which Trump doesn’t care about of course
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I know Mormons very well and they give mere lip service to the Constitution. Democrats are no better. Republicans are almost as bad.
 
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