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Can you provide some evidence of this? It could be that people who vote republican are less likely to get a Ph.D in the first place. Now, whether it is because people who vote republican are not treated well in graduate school or they just choose to focus on other activities rather than getting a Ph.D is an open question. In my field of economics I have never had political preferences ever surface as a question in an interview nor have I had a search committee member bring up the issue of political preferences either and I have chaired many search committees.

Still, the fact remains that the majority of academics are democrats. Why that is the case, we still don’t exactly know.
Mike Adams of NC is a good example.Despite a stellar academic record and numerous awards he was denied tenure. His political views were cited again and again by the tenure review committee. He had to go to Supreme Court to get his tenure
 
At the age of 18, students are able to decide for themselves and make up their own minds.
Yep. It seems like some people think colleges force kids to vote liberal or line up for the gas chambers or something.

18 year old are adults. They can sign up to go to war, they can vote, they can buy property, etc.

I don’t care who someone votes for, as long as they do their job, it shouldn’t matter. Period.
 
a persons voting prefetences are taken into account in hiring Thats why only 6% of academics vote Republican
I would like to see some evidence that this is the case. As for the link above I couldn’t get the PDF to come up. So, I’m left with posters opinion. Which, speaking of bias 😃 I’ll take with a grain of salt.

People migrate to professions of their choosing. The brighter, and more educated have, I assume, the most choice.

My neighborhood is pretty much working class by the way. I know most conservatives think my neighbors are over represented by liberal thinking. They would be right. Until they start with the free stuff from the government rhetoric. My neighbors are not lazy, or on the dole. They work hard, and look after their families the best they can.

So, I don’t meet an awful lot of conservatives at home. But most I do meet are the TEA party/talk radio variety. Mostly they just regurgitate what someone else has told them. This is not critical thinking by the way. I really like it when they complain about how America has fallen, as they unload the things they just bought at Walmart. Again we see an absence of critical thought. (There have been a few studies conducted to try an discover what causes a person to act against their own welfare.) I think these people could have used a thought provoking teacher or two when they were coming up. The funny thing about this is that I meet some very successful businessmen who show the same lack of critical thinking. To me they come across as whiner’s, and spoiled children, who are preoccupied with grubbing for money. What person who is thinking critically, argues about something that has been a violation of the International Fire Code for two decades? Or demands a variance? :rolleyes:

The question of impressionability in college aged students is an interesting one. We know not to assume that every youth is impressionable at all. At that age some think they already know everything anyway. But unless they are given the opportunity to hear a variety of views, and judge them on their merits. They will not have the tools to make rational choices.

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I would like to see some evidence that this is the case. As for the link above I couldn’t get the PDF to come up. So, I’m left with posters opinion. Which, speaking of bias 😃 I’ll take with a grain of salt.

People migrate to professions of their choosing. The brighter, and more educated have, I assume, the most choice.

My neighborhood is pretty much working class by the way. I know most conservatives think my neighbors are over represented by liberal thinking. They would be right. Until they start with the free stuff from the government rhetoric. My neighbors are not lazy, or on the dole. They work hard, and look after their families the best they can.

So, I don’t meet an awful lot of conservatives at home. But most I do meet are the TEA party/talk radio variety. Mostly they just regurgitate what someone else has told them. This is not critical thinking by the way. I really like it when they complain about how America has fallen, as they unload the things they just bought at Walmart. Again we see an absence of critical thought. (There have been a few studies conducted to try an discover what causes a person to act against their own welfare.) I think these people could have used a thought provoking teacher or two when they were coming up. The funny thing about this is that I meet some very successful businessmen who show the same lack of critical thinking. To me they come across as whiner’s, and spoiled children, who are preoccupied with grubbing for money. What person who is thinking critically, argues about something that has been a violation of the International Fire Code for two decades? Or demands a variance? :rolleyes:

The question of impressionability in college aged students is an interesting one. We know not to assume that every youth is impressionable at all. At that age some think they already know everything anyway. But unless they are given the opportunity to hear a variety of views, and judge them on their merits. They will not have the tools to make rational choices.

ATB
of course when one defines as critical thinking anyone who agrees with their views it is no wonder you believe only liberals are critical thinkers Liberalism is a wonderful philosophy.It works well in every term paper the"clinical thinkers" ever wrote" Problem is it doesn’t work very well in the real world.
 
a persons voting prefetences are taken into account in hiring Thats why only 6% of academics vote Republican
Nonsense.

Certain professions tend towards certain political viewpoints. Sectors such as education, healthcare, social work etc. attract a higher percentage of people with slightly left of centre views. I work in education, and have been involved in the recruitment of teachers. It’s hard enough to find good teachers let alone be worried about their political views. So long as they’re not card-carrying members of a facist group or racist organisation, it really doesn’t matter. If they can teach better than the other candidates in their interview lesson and interview well, then they’re hired.

Banking, real estate, etc. attract a higher percentage of people with right of centre views.

It has nothing to do with bias in the selection procedure, it has to do with what motivates a person, and choice of career stems from that motivation, as do political views.
 
Mike Adams of NC is a good example.Despite a stellar academic record and numerous awards he was denied tenure. His political views were cited again and again by the tenure review committee. He had to go to Supreme Court to get his tenure
Actually in his case I think it was promotion to full professor that was the issue, he was tenured in 1998 which was before his conversion to Christianity in 2000. While I don’t know enough about his particular situation to comment, one data point is not a trend. To establish a pattern of discrimination you need more data.
 
of course when one defines as critical thinking anyone who agrees with their views it is no wonder you believe only liberals are critical thinkers. Isn’t that what you are doing? That and putting out blatently paranoid theories about the hiring processes of seats of learning.

Liberalism is a wonderful philosophy. It works well in every term paper the"clinical thinkers" ever wrote" Problem is it doesn’t work very well in the real world. Here again I would ask for proof. If anything, universities are the most successful businesses the world has ever produced. Do you suppose that there are conservatives hiding in the shadows running everything?:cool:
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These aren’t impressionable kids in the classroom, these are adults.

At the age of 15 I had a teacher who used to bang on about feminism, and anti-nuclear power in a biology class. At that age I just used to think, “Stop talking nonsense and get back to teaching biology”. University students would just switch off if they didn’t agree with the guy.
The potential damage of university indoctrination is no doubt mitigated by the effects of alcohol and the fact that most students spend those four years in a drunken haze.
 
The potential damage of university indoctrination is no doubt mitigated by the effects of alcohol and the fact that most students spend those four years in a drunken haze.
Generally just the first year here. Then the pigeons (grade point average) comes home to roost. Then it’s just Thursday through Sunday for the drunkness for the next few years.
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The potential damage of university indoctrination is no doubt mitigated by the effects of alcohol and the fact that most students spend those four years in a drunken haze.
Speaking as a person who recently graduated from college and who is a member of Greek Life, those who live in “a drunken haze” usually don’t graduate. They usually flunk out. Let’s stop stereotyping college students. Thanks.
 
Generally just the first year here. Then the pigeons (grade point average) comes home to roost. Then it’s just Thursday through Sunday for the drunkness for the next few years.
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Yep. This definitely.
 
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Still it is rather astonishing that young college educated people schooled in a technological age are always demanding the old fogies to come up with the studies.
And then ignoring them, if they don’t jive with the world as they wish it to be.🙂
 
And then ignoring them, if they don’t jive with the world as they wish it to be.🙂
I think all ages are equally likely to ignore studies that don’t jive with their biases. On the other hand, if an older person makes a claim it is still their responsibility to back up their claim.
 
Speaking as a person who recently graduated from college and who is a member of Greek Life, those who live in “a drunken haze” usually don’t graduate.
I did, but that was back in the early 80’s, back in the days when students were less earnest. Beer for breakfast, then on to a protest march. Those were the days.
 
I did, but that was back in the early 80’s, back in the days when students were less earnest. Beer for breakfast, then on to a protest march. Those were the days.
Yeah, professors actually take attendance now. haha.

Don’t get me wrong, people still drink and party. I can say that those in “drunken hazes” don’t make it far, though.
 
Interesting study, Darryl. Thanks for posting.
Very **sobering **to note the extent to which our universities really have become left-wing seminaries.
Did you just…compliment yourself and promote your own post? Also, note how the study doesn’t list the universities, just that they’re “comprehensive?”

The other study said its list was comprehensive too; a comprehensive list of the Ivy League, Stanford, Smith, and Wellesley :rolleyes:.
 
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These aren’t impressionable kids in the classroom, these are adults.
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At the age of 18, students are able to decide for themselves and make up their own minds.
Yep. It seems like some people think colleges force kids to vote liberal or line up for the gas chambers or something.

18 year old are adults. They can sign up to go to war, they can vote, they can buy property, etc.
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Kendra and Brendan, you’re not thinking about the reality of what happens on college campuses. Its true that 18 year olds should be able to think on their own. However, anyone who knows young people knows that they often tend to follow the herd (or the trends). In 2008 it wasn’t “hip” to not be for the hope and change. Many of these “college kids” arrive at college without much foundation or understanding of the issues, etc. so they are basically empty vessels to be filled by the brilliance of those overwhelmingly liberal/left professors. And naturally so many of them are swayed. I have relatives who went to college as Catholics - and had only superficial understanding of politics - and came back raging liberals. Dennis Prager described the left-wing opposition he and David Horowitz encountered at UC Santa Barbara and Emory University when they went to speak at those universities:

" (David Horowitz)…was invited to speak at Emory University, but leftist students packed the hall and shouted him down. Emory officials did nothing to stop the harassment and the suppression of speech, and Horowitz was unable to deliver his talk. It is considerably more difficult to get conservative speakers invited to most American universities — or for them to be able to speak without being harassed — than it is for a Holocaust-denying, genocide-advocating leader, such as Iran’s Ahmadinejad at Columbia University, to deliver a speech at an American university."

"*In my case, about a quarter of the 300 students who came to my talk at UCSB were leftists opposed to my coming. But they allowed me to deliver my remarks without once trying to shout me down. There were, I believe, three reasons for this. One is that UCSB has a relatively calm political climate. Second, there was a serious police presence and it was clear that disrupters would be removed, if not arrested. Third, students told me afterward that I disarmed those who came to oppose me. *

"It is worth mentioning that following my lecture, the student who wrote the column comparing me to a Ku Klux Klanner came over to me and said he was writing a column of apology to me and asked to be photographed with me. This is not surprising. Students at most universities are almost brainwashed into being leftist — and the way they are taught to disagree with their political opponents is by using ad hominem attacks. Conservatives are described over and over as mean-spirited, war-loving, greedy, bigoted, racist, xenophobic, Islamophobic, homophobic, sexist, intolerant and oblivious to human suffering."
  • Such ad hominem labels are the left’s primary rhetorical weapons. So when leftist students are actually confronted with even one articulate conservative, many enter a world of cognitive dissonance. That is one reason why universities rarely invite conservatives to speak: they might change some students’ minds. *
(my bold italics).

jewishworldreview.com/1007/prager103007.php3

The student newspapers are also liberal/left. So even if all of the departments aren’t left-wing (such as the business schools) the Journalism schools are very liberal - which explains the bias in the media as well.
Really? So the goal of further education is to influence and sway opinion? And there was me thinking that the aim was to present points and develop skills of discernment and rational discussion…
The goal should be to develop those skills you mention, but unfortunately teachers seem to think the goal is to influence and sway opinion - or indoctrinate.
 
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