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inJESUS
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Is there any Muslim who would like to use reason to discuss this matter, without cursing, and accusing and blaming and threatening as Muhammad did to some of those who exposed him ?
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jakasaki
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As I’ve posted this earlier from a islamqa.com…
Why would allah permit sex with slave girls?
What benefit would allah gain from this?
And sex with slave girls you are free from sin…???
Again, this modern day site, islamqa.com is posting “fatwas” such as this one giving every muslim a free ticket to “slavery” and “sex with slave girls”…
I’m stiff baffled…
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inJESUS
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From an Islamic point of view, sex with “right hand possessions” is agreed upon by all. A man can have up to 4 wives PLUS whatever he possesses of slaves who obviously are not wives.
Now the problem is not that she wasn’t his wife because obviously she wasn’t, otherwise why would he swear not to approach her again? the problem is that we have a man, claimed to be a prophet and the peak of purity and virtue, the best of creatures and the example to humanity, this man had sex with a slave on his wive’s bed, on her turn, and when exposed, asked to be concealed and made an oath, and when the wife spoke about it, he claimed a revelation from Allah, who is supposed to be holy and just, reprimanding him for taking an oath, saying to hell with your wives because i can give you prettier and better, allowing him to break his oath, and threatening his wives. In other words, Allah totally backed him up, how convenient and to hell with his wife because she felt bad that he was sleeping with a slave, on her own bed, on her own turn…to hell with her as long as Muhammad was sexually satisfied.
Now the problem is not that she wasn’t his wife because obviously she wasn’t, otherwise why would he swear not to approach her again? the problem is that we have a man, claimed to be a prophet and the peak of purity and virtue, the best of creatures and the example to humanity, this man had sex with a slave on his wive’s bed, on her turn, and when exposed, asked to be concealed and made an oath, and when the wife spoke about it, he claimed a revelation from Allah, who is supposed to be holy and just, reprimanding him for taking an oath, saying to hell with your wives because i can give you prettier and better, allowing him to break his oath, and threatening his wives. In other words, Allah totally backed him up, how convenient and to hell with his wife because she felt bad that he was sleeping with a slave, on her own bed, on her own turn…to hell with her as long as Muhammad was sexually satisfied.
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jakasaki
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All I can say the more I learn the more I understand… and the more distrubing things with islam get…and I cannot be accused of using information from bogus anti-islam sites.
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R_not
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It isn’t only women that mohammed and muslims had sex with…
Slavery in islam
And it is still going on to this day.
Slavery in islam
And it is still going on to this day.
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Muslim_Woman
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Salaam/peace
**To you be your Way, and to me mine **( holy Quran; 109:6)
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God informed us that He sent Muhammed (p) as a mercy to all . It’s enough for us. We don’t need any certificate from Christians . Just to please/satisfy them , we don’t have to fit any chapter anywhere. We can only describe what we believe , if they don’t like it , then we will say :…Muslims will make the Sura fit whichever discussion they need it to fit into.
**To you be your Way, and to me mine **( holy Quran; 109:6)
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Muslim_Woman
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Salaam/peace
Salaam/peace
your Saviour allowed it in OT. Why u think , Jesus (p) did that ? Before blaming Allah , why not ask Jesus (p) first ?
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Muslim_Woman
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Salaam/peace
Salaam/peace
no one is cursing you . I asked if you are telling the truth , just say I am not a liar ; if I am a liar God will curse me . Why u are so afraid to say this ? It means u know you are spreading lies & hatred here.
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Eucharisted
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That surah has always intrigued me. Dose it mean, the way of life and the way of death, or the way of Christianity and the way of Islam, or the way of love and the way of hate, or dose it mean the Way of the Cross and the way of Muslims?
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MrDickerson
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You have got to be kidding me! Now who’s making up lies??
Here is Abdullah Yusuf Ali’s translation and commentary on the surah in question. (Isn’t his translation the most widely accepted by Muslims?):
Did you see it claimed somewhere that the verse was referring to not eating honey, Muslim Woman, or did you just pull that one out of thin air?
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nosadl
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belief must be based on reason. otherwise it is irrational and potentially pathological. Tribes in South America believed sacrificing humans would bring a good harvest.Irrational belief with deadly consequences. If you, and other Muslims like Planten Hamba, Sister Amy, are going to cling on to the position that “since God says it in the quran it must be correct”, then are you not following the path of those primitive tribes and all the other self styled prophets and cult leaders. Reason dictates that you examine the source and the messenger to determine if god actually said something like it. As a pre-condition you need to determine the nature of god in order to evaluate consistency with what Muhammad tells you that god said.
Let’s take your conception of god - powerful, omnisicient, merciful, compassionate, just, creator of the universe. Would he bother with Muhammad’s domestic disputes? Would he intervene on the side of dishonesty and oath breaking? Would he send a Messiah who preached mercy, temperance, love and honesty and about the treasures in the father’s kingdom, and then promote a prophet who accumulated power and wealth and women in his lifetime, preached violence and conquest, and whose own teachings systematically abrogated the Messiah’s gospels?
Morality is not situational. If Muslims excuse bad things such as sleeping with a 9 year old as being alright because it was “acceptable” in the past, then surely in the Muslim eyes good must be situational too. There can be no applause today for the good things done in the past.
If cannibalism or human sacrifice was acceptable in Muhammad’s tribe in the past, would Muhammad’s practice of these be deemed excusable? God commands us to rise above the evils of our times. Surely a prophet is expected to do more.
You keep saying the posters here lie about the stories of Muhammad. How are they lies if they came from Muslim sources and the quran?
“God said so” is not an argument when your only witness that God said so is the person accused of inventing sayings from God. This would be your concession of defeat in a reasoned debate.
We will all pray for you that you let go of your stubborn insistences, which in this forum you will have seen is unsupportable, and embrace Christianity. As i posted before, you are here because you have been called to know about the true nature of christianity and jesus. Now you know. it’s up to you sister.
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swariffin
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Next thing, a muslim scientist will claim that Muhammad foretold the dating system we are using today, with the month of February of 29 days once in every 4 years.
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Eucharisted
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Muslim_Woman
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Salaam/peace
Salaam/peace
Pl. give me the link . I have Quran commentary published from Saudi Arabia . It’s about not drinking honey.… Now who’s making up lies??
Here is Abdullah Yusuf Ali’s translation and commentary on the surah in question.
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inJESUS
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am not afraid…i will not obey satan.
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inJESUS
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No rational responses yet.
Muslim Woman, drinking honey???
Muslim Woman, drinking honey???
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jakasaki
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I believe it’s about your answer on post #52 -
The question was about 66.1 and your aswser was “**not **to take drink honey”…
But 66.1 states:
1: O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
2: Allah has already ordained for you (O men), the dissolution of your oaths. And Allah is your Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.) and He is the All-Knower, the All-Wise.
3: And (remember) when the Prophet (SAW) disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his wives (Hafsah), so when she told it (to another i.e. 'Aishah), and Allah made it known to him, he informed part thereof and left a part. Then when he told her (Hafsah) thereof, she said: “Who told you this?” He said: “The All-Knower, the All-Aware (Allah) has told me”.
4: If you two (wives of the Prophet SAW, namely 'Aishah and Hafsah ÑÖì ) turn in repentance to Allah, (it will be better for you), your hearts are indeed so inclined (to oppose what the Prophet SAW likes), but if you help one another against him (Muhammad SAW), then verily, Allah is his Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.), and Jibrael (Gabriel), and the righteous among the believers, and furthermore, the angels are his helpers.
searchquran.net/quran.php?q=66
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katy_kt
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The below site cited that quote from
The Meaning of the Holy Qur’an [1], foot note #5529, page 1490
1- The Meaning of the Holy Qur’an.
Author: Abdullah Yusuf Ali.
ISBN: 0-91597-59-0 (HC).
link
answering-christianity.com/muhammad_not_self_serving.htm
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inJESUS
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Drinking honey thing is surely a joke and maybe Muslim Woman was using some sense of humour.
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jakasaki
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