Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

[Onesimus]

Check the context.

Oh, I have the context just fine, and I don’t need lessons on how to read english from someone writing it as a second language…let alone someone who claims “striking doesn’t mean hitting” like a little girl arguing with her playmates.

 

[dessert]

‘Miswaq’ is mentioned in the details of the verse.

Would you agree beating woman is right, if I provide equal right granted for woman?

Why do you think he would agree to this? Are you calling him arrogant?

Is this your idea of Equal Rights?This is plain and out dysfunctional.

Do you know what that word means ?
Prove.

Is this word in your Quran?

If this is what your book is teaching it is dysfunctional.

 

[dessert]

Wow… another discovery. The economic prosperity and greatness in European country because of Christian faith, abject poverty, illiteracy and hopelessness because of Islamic faith.

When you are laughing, you are laughing at you only. Why more than half you Europeans are atheists? Why there many Christian dominated countries are poor? Why So many African countries are poor where they don’t practice Islam as faith?

Colonialism was a baby of Christian Europeans. Slavery in America was Christian contribution. Economic prosperity in Europe is the result colonization, capturing and looting other countries. History can tell you more about it.

Scientifical development is not Christian contribution. But they used the wealth they earned from looting. Why most of sceintists are atheists? Christian faith doesn’t work with science at all. It is already proven.

We Muslims are more concerned about human values which you can’t even imagine. While bible promotes slavery, Islam came with a concept that depreciate slavery and announced freeing a slave as righteous deed. While Bible promotes Interest on money poorty, Islam promotes Interst free banking. While bible teaches marrying divorced woman as adultry, Islam allows it. While Christians don’t know what is legal right on property for woman, Islam delares it. While Bible restricts the learning right of woman in church, while it asks to remain silent at church, Islam promotes learning right to woman. It may don’t develop the country, but the culture.

My rights are truly protected in this country,hell we may end up with an American woman for pres next year and it is all because of the MEN and women who have fought and died for all of each others rights equallly as best as the law will allow in fairness and judgement.
BOY you are really going to get me on my soapbox even with no sleep.
BOY your quran is a BOOK
Our bible is a BOOK
BOY you are probably been u all night too but I can go all day because I feel more energized when I have to state my believes even more thanYOUUUUUUU HOOOOOO…
Have a nice day
all smiles to ya!!!

 

[Onesimus]

God looks into your heart. Husbands are allowed to beat the wife with intention to correct her…

A husband that has to beat his wife to correct her shows he is not smart enough to win a disagreement with her.

 

[dessert]

Since Islam doesn’t teach to beat a woman that she get hurt, leave a mark, to use something solid, in intention to hurt her than correcting her, your arguements are vain. You are arguing from nothing. **
Khalfan this is a bulley, bullish attitude there are other alternatives; would you like my opinion and suggestions? and then you can give me what the Q says.
**

If your argument is, beating a woman with a Miswaq, a tooth brush, a pencil, a folded cloth is wrong, then I can argue with you. If you are arguing on something islam doesn’t teach, i am not interested.

A soft voice turns away rath! Is this in your Q. ?

 

[dessert]

Hello anybody home? come on give me an answer my Q. please!

 

[Booklover]

You do justify the act of God as Love. Why he create Dumb and blind? Why he create handicapped? Why he create painful deceases? you call that Love?

God did not do that! Man’s sins caused all that. Until man sinned and was expelled from the garden of eden there were no diseases or any kind of evil.

God looks into your heart. Husbands are allowed to beat the wife with intention to correct her, maximum with a tooth brush. If the intention is wrong, it is a sin and husband will be punished for that. If the intention is correct and you use your hand to beat or something bigger than a tooth brush, even the toothbrush that you hit her a it can make mark on her body, it is still a sin will be punished for that.

Islamic theology at work! This has to be one of the most absurd statements I’ve ever heard.

Your prophet was a misogynist and since all Muslim men want to be just like him, you become misogynists as well

You quoted some bad muslim’s event. So I quoted Hitler as a bad Christian. As much as we have bad muslims, you too have bad Christians.

Yes, but there is a very big difference. When Christians commit evil they’re going against the teachings of Jesus and Christianity. When Muslims commit evil they’re just following in the footsteps of their prophet and his teachings!

Vickie

 

[thistle]

Mohammad was simply an illiterate killer who founded a false and violent religion. He was a false prophet and obviously his master Satan must be happy with his student’s success in leading people away from Christ.

 

[quantumDeus]

I missed commenting on it earlier, but kudos to Sir William for an excellent and well-articulated post.

 

[BelFarfalla]

I am sorry. it is my mistake. It was Booklover who said incest story is blashphemy.

anyway, don’t feel shame to say your God is an offspring of incest?

I don’t think you will. The people that believe God is a barbar, a Cherob riding cowboy, a murderer of innocent girls and boys (sorry not all girls, only those who knew man. they had to keep alive the girls who never knew man. I wonder, how that test was done?), a girl user that took his share from those captured virgin girls (for what?), will never feel shame.

Feel pity on you.

Perez was an ancestor of Joseph. Joseph was NOT Jesus’s biological father. So in reality Perez is NOT an a biological ancestor of Jesus. Hence Jesus is NOT an offspring of incest.

I posted on this in depth. Earlier…

Are you ashamed that Muahmmad is an offspring of fornication and adultery?

I don’t think you will. The people that believe God is a barbar, a Cherob riding cowboy, a murderer of innocent girls and boys (sorry not all girls, only those who knew man. they had to keep alive the girls who never knew man. I wonder, how that test was done?), a girl user that took his share from those captured virgin girls (for what?), will never feel shame.

Feel pity on you.

Oh good grief, your claims get more and more rediculous… i don’t have time to answer now. But I’ll post explainations to all of this nonsense tonight.

 

[BelFarfalla]

I believe in the virginity of Mary (ra) better than you my friend. Remember, I am a Muslim.

Typical arogance. As usual a Muslim claiming that they are ‘more faithful’ then Catholics and Christians. Sorry, it is impossible to believe more in Mary the Catholics do. We may believe in her equally.

No. Quran doesn’t teach any incest stories. Because God knows the truth.

No but instead it and the Hadiths tell of Muhammad raping women and having sex with a 9 year old girl. Your ‘moral’ outrage is ridiculous. Incest is a sick reality in this world. The bible simply told what occurred. It is not saying that it is good… . It only says that it happened. There are many stories in the Bible about people doing bad things. It gives examples of good and examples of bad.

Giving genealogy to someone who doesn’t have a genealogy!!!

An early father is the man who raises a child. Joseph raised Jesus. It is a fact. By jewish law, Joseph was his father here on earth. Why you deny this I have no clue.

You impose a legal father to Jesus (pbuh)? No wonder. You said Joseph is not the biological father of Jesus. But Bible teaches, Jesus (pbuh) came from the seed of david (Romans 1:3). And you are supposed to believe that. !!!

They are talking about Jesus coming from the house of David.

I don’t like to impose incest stories to my ancestors. But you do that to your God.

I’m starting to wonder if you are mentally ill… What nonsense.

Yes. I agree that. And that is what usual men call incest. Doing sex with father, mother, son, daughter, brother, sister, father in law, mother in law etc.

You do realize that she had married one of his sons years and years and years before right? He had sent her home to live with her own father because he and his sons did not care to fulfill the obligations of bringing her into their family by marriage. He was hardly her true father-in-law.

Yes. God cammanded it to Adam and Eve and to their children. But how long? Do you say Adam and judah was living in same time? How much generations were in between?
Thats another point. You are supposed to believe earth is only 6000 year old. Another nonsence. Get over it my friend. I have nothing else to say. .
No we are not supposed to believe the world is 6000 years old. The word used that is translated as ‘day’ meant a period of time… just like in the Qur’an it was 7 periods of time, not what we call a day. The laws of incest had not been given yet, no matter how long the time had been. It was still in the time of Genesis. That is a fact. The laws were not given until Exodus.

 

[BelFarfalla]

Who says that Ishmael was an illegitimate? Muslims or Christians? It is you my dear. You want to promote Ishaaq (pbuh) to the position of ishmael (pbuh) to demote arabs as children of illegitimate and Israelis as choosen people. We don’t have that problem to get choosen as israeli. So that we don’t go after Ishmael and Ishaaq (pbut) and make differences between them.

The OT, the Hebrews, thousands of years before Muhammad, recorded the Ishmael was an illegitimate son of fornication and adultery. Muslims try to rewrite the story to suit their purpose.

Having child from slave was legal even at the period of prophet muhamed (pbuh). But conditions applied. If they bear children they were entitled for legal rights in property and could demand protection of the father.
Sarah was jelous of hagar (ra) for bearing child of Abraham. So that God commanded Abraham to leave hagar in the desert. He did so because he knew God will do fair with them. God saved them. It wasn’t that Abraham threw out Ishmael and his mother Hagar out of anger or something.

You are right, it was God who had a problem with Hagar and Ishmael. It was God who called Ishmael and *** of a man who could bring unrest to the world. I guess God was right.

 

[quantumDeus]

Oh good grief, your claims get more and more rediculous… i don’t have time to answer now. But I’ll post explainations to all of this nonsense tonight.

Personallly, I don’t see why you should even bother.

 

[BelFarfalla]

Since Islam doesn’t teach to beat a woman that she get hurt, leave a mark, to use something solid, in intention to hurt her than correcting her, your arguements are vain. You are arguing from nothing.

If your argument is, beating a woman with a Miswaq, a tooth brush, a pencil, a folded cloth is wrong, then I can argue with you. If you are arguing on something islam doesn’t teach, i am not interested.

Beating a person is wrong, period. You make a fool of yourself saying that it means to beat a person with a pencil, tooth brush or folded cloth. Further these things can hurt a person…

this is one of the many reasons that my daughter is not allowed to date Muslims. of course I did not have to tell her that. all I had to do is to show her posts like the ones you wrote, the Qur’an and Hadiths… she as a 17 year old understands. She now will have nothing to do with Muslim young men… wise girl.

 

[Onesimus]

Giving genealogy to someone who doesn’t have a genealogy!!!

… But Bible teaches, Jesus (pbuh) came from the seed of david (Romans 1:3). And you are supposed to believe that.

Why shouldn’t we? It is exactly correct!

Of course, you’d have to know the OT to understand how it works, and with that understanding admit that the entire Bible was designed by Someone who knows the end from the beginning.

And speaking of David:

“With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful; with an upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright; With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward.” Psalms 18: 26-27

 

[BelFarfalla]

Personallly, I don’t see why you should even bother.

I bother for the other people reading here… practicing and strengthening my apologetics while making sure that the many reading here get the ‘rest of the story’ or should I say the truth of the story. Don’t for get that for every person who posts here, there are at 10s if not 100s more who read and never post. I don’t want them to believe the absolute twisted nonsense that is being posted here. If we do not respond to it, it looks like we agree with this nonsense.

 

[quantumDeus]

I bother for the other people reading here… practicing and strengthening my apologetics while making sure that the many reading here get the ‘rest of the story’ or should I say the truth of the story. Don’t for get that for every person who posts here, there are at 10s if not 100s more who read and never post. I don’t want them to believe the absolute twisted nonsense that is being posted here. If we do not respond to it, it looks like we agree with this nonsense.

A very valid point.

 

[Onesimus]

Personallly, I don’t see why you should even bother.

It is instructive to see what level of duplicity and intellectual dishonesty every Muslim, save one, on this forum will engage in to keep from modifying his view of Christianity.

It’s easy to see why the only way they can ever settle disagreements is through violence or the threat of violence.

 

[QuietTimes]

I bother for the other people reading here… practicing and strengthening my apologetics while making sure that the many reading here get the ‘rest of the story’ or should I say the truth of the story. Don’t for get that for every person who posts here, there are at 10s if not 100s more who read and never post. I don’t want them to believe the absolute twisted nonsense that is being posted here. If we do not respond to it, it looks like we agree with this nonsense.

Not only a valid point, but one that has made me see and want to learn the reasons behind Islams twisted beliefs. Wether some agree with me or not I have learned from your post Bel and it is great that you stand up and defend our faith the way you do.

But thank you both Bel and Khalfan, I know where I stand on my faith not just because of this thread but many like it that have shown the ways of muslim beliefs. Along with many other things I have read and seen on this particular religion.
Threads like this one can make you aprreciate the beauty of our religion the one true catholic and apostolic Church. Not that I didnt before.

 

[MHalsey]

Not only a valid point, but one that has made me see and want to learn the reasons behind Islams twisted beliefs. Wether some agree with me or not I have learned from your post Bel and it is great that you stand up and defend our faith the way you do.

But thank you both Bel and Khalfan, I know where I stand on my faith not just because of this thread but many like it that have shown the ways of muslim beliefs. Along with many other things I have read and seen on this particular religion.
Threads like this one can make you aprreciate the beauty of our religion the one true catholic and apostolic Church. Not that I didnt before.

hear, hear!! I’ll second that. Bel, Quantum, Booklover, et al, you are doing a fine job, don’t ever let up.