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BelFarfalla
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This young lady was 15 years old, a rape victim. She was hung because she could not prove it was rape.
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BelFarfalla
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She is a very brave women. There are people calling her an aposate… they want her executed for the truths she dares to say public.
Have you seen this thread?
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=163317
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Ella
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Yes I have seen the thread.
Bel, and other readers, the women speaking out in the midst of oppressive Islam are the most valiant, brave hearted, amazing people of our time. Ghada Jamshir, Hirsi Ali, Nonie Darwish, what giants can stand in their shoes? And I await the Muslim men who will stand up with them, will speak out. These women deserve our attention. They deserve our prayers. They are braver than I could ever hope to be.
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BelFarfalla
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I agree with you. And most of them want to remain Muslim… they just have found a peaceful interpretation of it… which requires throwing out a lot of hadith and many of the laws found in Shari’ah.
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MelanieAnne
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That’s sad. Why anyone would want to ally themselves with murderers is beyond me. Because they cannot separate themselves from the murder done in the name of Allah/Islam.
This isn’t about hadith or shari’ah. This is about murder done in the name of Islam. NO ONE yet has publicly condemned the many murders done in the name of this so-called religion and many have celebrated those murders. I cannot respect anyone who would continue to associate themselves with such behavior, no matter how they might qualify their association, no matter how they may try to distance themselves from the violence.
The facts are that murder is done in the name of Islam routinely. A true religion would not sanction or promote murder. Islam is obviously false. No matter how convenient or familiar Islam may seem to some, it is still false.
I find it odd that anyone would applaud anyone remaining Muslim under the circumstances.
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BelFarfalla
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There are about 1.4 billion Muslims in the world. All of them are not going to leave Islam overnight. They need leaders who can show them a way that starts to separate them from the violence… execution of apostes, wife beatings, violence in ‘defense’ of Islam or to spread islam.
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dessert
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I know you don’t want to speak with me because I am a woman but you did say in a post is there any christian woman out there?
Does this bring pleasure that you beat each other or do you have remorse?
The behavior is sadistic or even borders on kinky.
You are trying to control each other through this threat “if you hit me I can hit you”
This isn’t much different than someone "using " the "threat " of divorce here today. This is all intimidation.
Except beating or "spanking " is physical contact with another human beings body.
Your method reminds me of the clubs that are in existence today even I think, that they get into body bashing dancing.
Hittiing is a release of the tension and the bashing is putting it on oneself like hitting your head against a wall. or they are getting someone else to do it for them then they can cry victim. All in all a self destructive behavior.
Notice that Jesus did not use ither in his treatment of Mary Magdelan, he didn’t use threats and stopped the ones that wanted to stone her.He used forgiveness and love and kindness and she was treated that way she wanted to follow him and do His will and learn a new way of life and found that she could be treated better and not accept what she had been teated before. Was this revealed to her by Mohammad I don’t thinkso he was not in existence yet. Had she read the Q yet I don’t think so. It was not in existnce yet. Jesus was the only significant being or man that showed the way the truth and the life to live which is what was modeled and revealed to them by the Spirit through faith hope and charity the virtues .
Your plan is not of virtue it is of hopelessnes.It sounds like you think we are too permissive in our divorce ways annulment or speration ways. I would have to ask you to study that the Catholics probably have the least divorce than the other groups, I don’t have any statisics to prove. God doesn’t approve of divorce maybe we agree on this point. Marriage, many people think is suppose to be 50/50 give but they are wrong; A good marriage works best if it is 100% / 100% and God wants us all to have “good” . This was a homily by our Father John at my parish so you won’t find this quote in the bible or the Q. He was actuallly a marriage counselor before becoming a priest. He has seen both sides of the world.
I ask you to open your eyes heart and mind to a new way of looking at your perspective because I can see that you do desire the fruitfullness of marriage. But it has to be preserved “carefully” with dignity and respect for the individual both ways. That is what the Catholic Church does is preserves “carefully” it’s tradition.
This, I think is the third secret, preseve meaning put away “carefully”.
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dessert
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I recently bought and watched a DVD called Children of Heaven because I had been looking arounf on the wiki sites about other countries and swaw th film festival awards and this one was interesting because it shows another culture yours actually.
It is far from the disney I am used to. I got it off Amazon and it stated a winner of awards in three film festival in 1998. The subtitles in english helped and got rid of any bad language problem. Of course I didn’t know the language but it does well in showing your culture. Maybe you should watch it.
There are five elements in the world as we all know; Eastern;
wood, fire, earth, metal and water;
There is a sixth element; that is actually the name of a movie;
“The Sixth Element”
I think you can guess what that is.
Western; earth,air,fire,water and aether
And we have a sixth one too;
Nothing we do matters except through Christ that we do not boast of ourselves but the confidence in the Lord not in ourselves.
Psalm 34;15
Turn from evil and do good; seek peace and pursue it.
It is far from the disney I am used to. I got it off Amazon and it stated a winner of awards in three film festival in 1998. The subtitles in english helped and got rid of any bad language problem. Of course I didn’t know the language but it does well in showing your culture. Maybe you should watch it.
There are five elements in the world as we all know; Eastern;
wood, fire, earth, metal and water;
There is a sixth element; that is actually the name of a movie;
“The Sixth Element”
I think you can guess what that is.
Western; earth,air,fire,water and aether
And we have a sixth one too;
Nothing we do matters except through Christ that we do not boast of ourselves but the confidence in the Lord not in ourselves.
Psalm 34;15
Turn from evil and do good; seek peace and pursue it.
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dessert
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You know what I am really sick of this ####### from you and others pics like these. These pics are gross and disrespectull if I wanted to see this I could buy the mags and watch this stuff on the u-tube. You are just going for the sensational ism of it all and trying to get the attention. And including our wonderful nuns with this is so I can’t even say as I am too Christian. You are only throwing stones back
I’m beginning to have less respect for you. I’m not excusing you.Dessert
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Khalfan
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And what it is supposed to be?
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Khalfan
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How old was Mary when she bore Jesus (pbuh)?
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Verisimilitude
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It is not for sensationalism but context that I have shown these horrible pictures, and to include the nuns in that group was to highlight that obvious contrast. Amazingly, some do not see it. What you might conclude as the difference between those groups of women may not be theirs. I think most Muslims conclude all women should cover and dress like that. Period. Regardless of vocation or personal desire, or personal belief; and civil law should support their religious views with civil and criminal punishment like those pictures depicted in my post.You know what I am really sick of this ####### from you and others pics like these. These pics are gross and disrespectull if I wanted to see this I could buy the mags and watch this stuff on the u-tube. You are just going for the sensational ism of it all and trying to get the attention. And including our wonderful nuns with this is so I can’t even say as I am too Christian. You are only throwing stones back
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The differences in culture and religion must be explored for any semblance of peaceful coexistence if there is to be any, or we can acquiesce to that view as Islam mandates. Personally, I refuse to give an inch to that ideology. Some things might be insurmountable, and if they are we should know what they are. Hiding ones head in the sand is not prudent.
The sensibilities and sensitivity of some people are often shocked by exposure to cruelty and barbarism, but obviously not everyone is offended; for those acts are being committed by and defended by Mohammedans justified by their god, messenger, and holy book.
The Qur’an and hadith formulate the basis of morality and jurisprudence in the Islamic world with a clear rejection of Western style democracy and idealism which is based upon Judeo-Christian principles. That is the conflict that is not being discussed, but should be the only topic to be resolved one way or another rather than debate the individual elements of violence.
It is in the name of that Islamic morality and sense of justice that Muslim posters here defend beating their spouse- by toothbrush or by fist is hardly a point to argue imo. That same defense is raised with respect to killing Muslim apostates, honor killings, public flogging for acts of impurity, and jail or worse for questioning the “perfect humble character” of Muhammad.
Some (mostly Western) Mohammedans reject the violence prescribed by their faith, but they are few and not very well represented in this form or the world at large and are largely rejected by other Muslims. However you define Islam is irrelevant. How some fringe Mohammedans define it is irrelevant. It is how the majority; both Sunni and Shiite define Islam that non-Muslims should use as a definition for unity of their faith.
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BelFarfalla
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According to Jewish law, about 16 at the youngest.
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Khalfan
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I do agree with you.
If you read the verse and context that allows a husband to beat wife, you can see it is to save the family and relation. Not to separate or oppress wife. Every action of husband towards wife (Since she is his responsibility) will be questioned buy God. But she will not be since he is not that responsiblity of her as compared to a husband.
There is no much divorce in christianity because you call it something else. (I think Bal said that)
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Verisimilitude
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Tragic.
It is my belief and hope that despite being the faith she was born into, Jesus has welcomed her with love and compassion already.
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BelFarfalla
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Some how I think she is fine now. God knows of the horrors visited on this child.
On Sunday August 15, 2004, a 16 year old girl by the name of Atefe Rajabi, daughter of Ghassem Rajabi, was executed in the town of Neka, located in the province of Mazandaran, for “engaging in acts incompatible with chastity”. She was mentally retarded and thus an easy target for rape… she claimed to have been gang and or repeatedly raped by some of the Iranian guard and ‘virtue police‘. She complained to get help… This was a repeat rape situation. Instead of the help she sought he was executed. The rapists were never even questioned.
She had no attorney. From a poor family she had to defend herself. The court fraudulently listed her age as 22, probably in hopes that the international community would not raise a stink about it.
“In her summary trial, the teenage victim did not have any lawyer and efforts by her family to recruit a lawyer was to no avail. Ateqeh personally defended herself. She told the religious judge, Haji Rezaii, that he should punish the main perpetrators of moral corruption not the victims. She was found guilty of “engaging in acts incompatible with chastity”.
This is ‘justice’ for women Iran style.
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exoflare
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An annullment is the declaration that a valid marriage was never there in the first place. I know… “why would this be necessary?” you ask. Because civil law has more lenient standards of what qualifies as a marriage then the Church does. So sometimes the Church has to step in and make a definitive statement on certain “marriages” that there was never a real union in place to begin with. One extreme example would be a so-called “shotgun wedding” or any other marriage where one or both parties were forced against their will to go through with the ceremony.
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BelFarfalla
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Khalfan, I’m curious as to why you asked this question? The woman in this film it protesting several things related to the rights of Islamic women … The right men have to marry 4 women and have as many shorter marriages (as short as 24 hours) as he wants? Or did you ask because she is talking about the laws that allow a man to use a little girl to get pleasure between her thighs? Or is it the discussion of young girls being forced into marriage?
What in this video made you try to make an equivalency between the video and Mary, Mother of Jesus?
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exoflare
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He’s setting up for the ol’ Tu Quoque.
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dessert
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I think you could have just put the site on and let the poster click the pix themself. And seperate the ladies(nuns) with this wonderful explanation as it helps to clear the understanding. Thank you for your insight.
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