Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

[Khalfan]

What’s your evidence for this?

What evidence you expect to have? The root and place where they use to come? The clothing they use to wear? The belonging they forgot to take back?

It happens in a supernatural state and form. Sometimes in deams; sometimes in vision; sometimes in person; sometimes directly by God even. Every prophet were given a sign of miracle to prove his prophethood, like Moses (pbuh) had the stick, Jesus (pbuh) had the power to heal, Mohamed (pbuh) had/have Quran. They all did many other miracles too to prove their prophethood. If God wanted all to believe in him, he could make us so. Or atleast he can do show miracles to us every now and then. Does he do that? No. Why? Becasue he want us to believe in him out of our choice. Did he leave any sign for us trace God?

"Say: “Praise be to God. He will show you His Signs and you will recognize them. Your Lord is not heedless of anything you do.” (Quran 27:93)

“This is a communication to be transmitted to mankind so that they can be warned by it and so that they will know that He is One God and so that people of intelligence will pay heed.” (Quran 14:52)

“It is He who sends down water from the sky. From it you drink and from it come the shrubs among which you graze your herds. And by it He makes crops grow for you and olives and dates and grapes and fruit of every kind. . There is certainly a sign in that for people who reflect. He has made the night and the day subservient to you, and the sun, the moon and the stars, all subject to His command. There are certainly signs in that for people who use their intellect. And also the things of varying colors He has created for you in the earth. There is certainly a sign in that for people who pay heed. It is He who made the sea subservient to you so that you can eat fresh flesh from it and bring out from it ornaments to wear. And you see the ships cleaving through it so that you can seek His bounty, and so that perhaps you may show thanks. He cast firmly embedded mountains on the earth so it would not move under you, and rivers and pathways so that perhaps you might be guided, and landmarks. And they are guided by the stars. Is He Who creates like him who does not create? So will you not pay heed?” (Quran 16:10-17)

The point is, if we go after the evidence of angels or the type of revelation that happened to any messenger 1500 or 2000 years back, we find nothing. Instead, let the message speak, if it is from God or not. If there is anything that could trace the visions and dreams, you could easily throw out the books of vision stories by Elle G. White; you could easily reject the healing stories among pentacosts, I could easily claim the stupidity of conversions due to appearence of Jesus (pbuh), God could easily lead us to right path by giving us miraculous signs and teaching us by of angels or himself. I believe in the angel Gabriel (pbuh) and I believe the words of Mohamed (pbuh) because the message he got from God through angel, proved its truth.

 

[Khalfan]

Kindly refer to this post and also the continuation.

That was a good one. The sign for those who seek.

 

[Khalfan]

Just wait. He’ll spin it some way.

Which is why I chose not to respond. I know it’s nonsense.

The below is for you too.

Kindly refer to this post and also the continuation.

 

[Khalfan]

Maybe some day the veil of confusion will be removed from your sight. I know it is difficult to grasp, but Jesus was human, which is why He died on the cross.

Do you Jesus (pbuh) was not God when he dead on cross?

Jesus is God because He could pick up His life again; as freely as He laid it down for us.

Did Jesus (pbuh) freely laid it down for us? Why then he prayed to be saved from cross?

What it changed is that death/sin has been defeated. We (humanity) is no longer a slave to sin/death.

Sin defeated?!! Sin is a choice. It exists in our free will. As long as we have free will, we will have the ability to sin. And my sin comes out of my choice, not yours. Adam’s (pbuh) sin were came out of his choice, not main. We are not responsible of the sin of each others. Jesus (pbuh) or anyone cannot pay for my sin as per Ezekiel 18:20 and as per any normal thinking logical mind. And please let it be known to you, WE ARE NOT SLAVE OF OUR FREE WILL. IT IS A GIFT GIVEN BY GOD, SO THAT WE MAY CHOOSE GOOD AND BAD. GOD WANT US TO CHOOSE GOOD FROM BAD, SO HE GAVE US GUIDENCE THROUGH MESSENGERS AND REVELATIONS.

If God can create the universe, why do you doubt He could become human for a divne purpose?

You are doubting the ability of God. Is there any divine purpose that God HAD TO come down as a human? That HAD TO is limiting God’s ability. He is able to do anything in the same state he is. There is nothing tha he can learn from being a human.

God incarnating in human is an old pagan concept. It existed in my own country, among Hindus. They are still waiting for the next God incarnation ‘KALKI AVATAR’. Your concept is not very different.

 

[exoflare]

I can’t believe anyone actually takes that gum/embryo stuff seriously. There is just no hope for anyone who forces out reason by replacing it with imagination to this extent. This is like the equivalent of the people who saw the Virgin Mary in their grilled cheese sandwich.

 

[jessicae]

How can Jesus (PBUH) be God if he is supposed to be the son of God?

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

What evidence you expect to have? The root and place where they use to come? The clothing they use to wear? The belonging they forgot to take back?

It happens in a supernatural state and form. Sometimes in deams; sometimes in vision; sometimes in person; sometimes directly by God even. Every prophet were given a sign of miracle to prove his prophethood, like Moses (pbuh) had the stick, Jesus (pbuh) had the power to heal, Mohamed (pbuh) had/have Quran. They all did many other miracles too to prove their prophethood. If God wanted all to believe in him, he could make us so. Or atleast he can do show miracles to us every now and then. Does he do that? No. Why? Becasue he want us to believe in him out of our choice. Did he leave any sign for us trace God?

"Say: “Praise be to God. He will show you His Signs and you will recognize them. Your Lord is not heedless of anything you do.” (Quran 27:93)

“This is a communication to be transmitted to mankind so that they can be warned by it and so that they will know that He is One God and so that people of intelligence will pay heed.” (Quran 14:52)

“It is He who sends down water from the sky. From it you drink and from it come the shrubs among which you graze your herds. And by it He makes crops grow for you and olives and dates and grapes and fruit of every kind. . There is certainly a sign in that for people who reflect. He has made the night and the day subservient to you, and the sun, the moon and the stars, all subject to His command. There are certainly signs in that for people who use their intellect. And also the things of varying colors He has created for you in the earth. There is certainly a sign in that for people who pay heed. It is He who made the sea subservient to you so that you can eat fresh flesh from it and bring out from it ornaments to wear. And you see the ships cleaving through it so that you can seek His bounty, and so that perhaps you may show thanks. He cast firmly embedded mountains on the earth so it would not move under you, and rivers and pathways so that perhaps you might be guided, and landmarks. And they are guided by the stars. Is He Who creates like him who does not create? So will you not pay heed?” (Quran 16:10-17)

The point is, if we go after the evidence of angels or the type of revelation that happened to any messenger 1500 or 2000 years back, we find nothing. Instead, let the message speak, if it is from God or not. If there is anything that could trace the visions and dreams, you could easily throw out the books of vision stories by Elle G. White; you could easily reject the healing stories among pentacosts, I could easily claim the stupidity of conversions due to appearence of Jesus (pbuh), God could easily lead us to right path by giving us miraculous signs and teaching us by of angels or himself. I believe in the angel Gabriel (pbuh) and I believe the words of Mohamed (pbuh) because the message he got from God through angel, proved its truth.

What a long post that does not answer my question in the slightest? Do you think you can befuddle us with your ‘non-answer’?

My question stands:
How do you KNOW that all the prophets were taught by Gabriel?

If you have no evidence why did you make such a claim?

All we know for sure is that Muhammad was the only ‘so-called’ prophet that derived his scripture from a third party.

Did you know that there are sahih hadiths that say that Muhammad mistook a companion named Dihya al-Kalbi for Jibril? No? Well- it’s the truth.

From previous scriptures we know that it is claimed Moses and Jesus talked to God directly.

On the other hand, Muhammad had to talk to a lackey who most probably was not even an angel but a man named Dihya al-Kalbi.

But thanks for letting us all know you have no evidence whatsoever to prove your assertions that ‘all prophets were taught by Gabriel.’

 

[exoflare]

How can Jesus (PBUH) be God if he is supposed to be the son of God?

I don’t see the problem here.

 

[chet]

And that same Jesus (pbuh) said, “Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape” (John 5:37) while ‘He’ (God) was standing in front of them, and he was in front of them for more than 30 years!!!

His apostle Philip,as well as the rest of his apostles knew him for only 3 years or less.Khalfan of course I’m not going to let you take a verse out of context and let it stand as your argument.**You have said,"Jesus never said he was God."If I said to you the same thing Jesus said to the Jews and to his apostle Philip: You would say that I’m a blasphemer and probably crazy! I would very likely face some death threats. And that is also what Jesus faced for what he said. **

** The Gospel of John 31-39** "If I alone testify about Myself, My testimony is not true."There is another who testifies of Me, and I know that the testimony which He gives about Me is true. "You have sent to John, and he has testified to the truth."But the testimony which I receive is not from man, but I say these things so that you may be saved."He was the lamp that was burning and was shining and you were willing to rejoice for a while in his light.“But the testimony which I have is greater than the testimony of John; for the works which the Father has given Me to accomplish–the very works that I do–testify about Me, that the Father has sent Me.”** And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me.** You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form."You do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He sent."You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;

**Wisdom 2:12-25 ** Let us therefore lie in wait for the just, because he is not for our turn, and he is contrary to our doings, and upbraided us with transgressions of the law, and divulged against us the sins of our way of life. He boasts that he hath the knowledge of God, and calls himself the Son of God. He is become a censurer of our thoughts. He is grievous unto us, even to behold: for his life is not like other men’s, and his ways are very different. We are esteemed by him as triflers, and he abstains from our ways as from filthiness, and he prefers the latter end of the just, and glories that he hath God for his father. Let us see then if his words be true, and let us prove what shall happen to him, and we shall know what his end shall be. For if he be the true son of God, he will defend him, and will deliver him from the hands of his enemies. Let us examine him by outrages and tortures, that we may know his meekness and try his patience. Let us condemn him to a most shameful death: for there shall be respect had unto him by his words. These things they thought, and were deceived: for their own malice blinded them. And they knew not the secrets of God, nor hoped for the wages of justice, nor esteemed the honor of holy souls. For God created man incorruptible, and to the image of his own likeness he made him. But by the envy of the devil, death came into the world: And they follow him that are of his side.

Isaiah 53:10-12 But the LORD was pleased To crush Him, putting Him to grief; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.As a result of the anguish of His soul, He will see it and be satisfied; By His knowledge the Righteous One, My Servant, will justify the many,** As He will bear their iniquities.** Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great, And He will divide the booty with the strong;** Because He poured out Himself to death,**** And was numbered with the transgressors; Yet He Himself bore the sin of many, And interceded for the transgressors.**

Psalm of David 22:12-18 They open wide their mouth at me, As a ravening and a roaring lion. I am poured out like water,** And all my bones are out of joint; My heart is like wax; It is melted within me. My strength is dried up like a potsherd, And my tongue cleaves to my jaws;** And You lay me in the dust of death. For dogs have surrounded me; A band of evildoers has encompassed me; They pierced my hands and my feet. I can count all my bones. They look, they stare at me; They divide my garments among them, And for my clothing they cast lots.

**Isaiah 53:5 **But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.

** John 39-40 You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.**

 

[obadiah]

What a long post that does not answer my question in the slightest? Do you think you can befuddle us with your ‘non-answer’?

My question stands:
How do you KNOW that all the prophets were taught by Gabriel?

If you have no evidence why did you make such a claim?

All we know for sure is that Muhammad was the only ‘so-called’ prophet that derived his scripture from a third party.

Did you know that there are sahih hadiths that say that Muhammad mistook a companion named Dihya al-Kalbi for Jibril? No? Well- it’s the truth.

From previous scriptures we know that it is claimed Moses and Jesus talked to God directly.

On the other hand, Muhammad had to talk to a lackey who most probably was not even an angel but a man named Dihya al-Kalbi.

But thanks for letting us all know you have no evidence whatsoever to prove your assertions that ‘all prophets were taught by Gabriel.’

Who is Dihya al-Kalbi? was he jibreel?

 

[obadiah]

How can Jesus (PBUH) be God if he is supposed to be the son of God?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word… and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. And we beheld His Glory…of the only begotton of the Father full of grace and truth.

 

[chet]

Another game to promote Israelites.

You accuse God of playing games to promote the Israelites. Remember this is what Moses said God told him (not an angel) from the burning bush. Or is Moses now a liar, too?

 

[chet]

Since you accept Moses; How did God identify himself to Moses? Why doesn’t God mention Ishmael? If Ishmael is such an important prophet for God why isn’t Ishmael in Gods memorial name but Isaac’s is?

 

[chet]

This is what in heaven.

I am asking, what is Eternal Life?

Being in Gods presence forever! Eternal death permanant separation from God!

 

[chet]

I don’t know. Anyway that is illogic. Because when God knows that Jesus (pbuh) is the perfect sacrifice for the sin of entire humanity (as per christianity), God wasn’t supposed to demand any animal sacrifices to forgive sin.

Do you say Ezekiel 18:20 is wrong?

You still have to answer the question, why Jesus (pbuh) and God had different wills as per Bible? Son wanted to be saved and father wanted him to die.

**Here are both of your answers. **

Hebrews 5:1-10 Every high priest is selected from among men and is appointed to represent them in matters related to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. He is able to deal gently with those who are ignorant and are going astray, since he himself is subject to weakness. This is why he has to offer sacrifices for his own sins, as well as for the sins of the people. No one takes this honor upon himself; he must be called by God, just as Aaron was. So Christ also did not take upon himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father."And he says in another place, “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.” During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Apparently, Muhammad used to mistake one of his companions, Dihya al-Qalbi, as the angel Jibril. Some people might say that Muhammad was the prophet of Dihya. Some people might say that the author of the Quran was Dihya because of Muhammad’s mistaken belief that Dihya was Jibril. But I won’t be so uncharitable.

Here is the evidence.

alinaam.org.za/library/rasul/ddminarets.htm
Bukhari as narrated by Aaisha [Radhiallaahu anha], ‘After the battle of Ahzaab, Prophet [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] disarmed himself and took a bath. In the meanwhile, Jibreel [Alayhis salaam] came riding a pony and talked to the Prophet [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] near the door step of Baab Jibreel. Jibreel [Alayhis salaam] said to the Prophet [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam], ‘You have put away your arms but we (the angels) are still in battle uniforms. So you should come with us to attack Jewish tribe Banu Qurayza.’ Aaisha [Radhiallaahu anha] added, ‘I was looking at Jibreel [Alayhis salaam] through the cracks in the door of my hut. Jibreel [Alayhis salaam] was covered with dust.’

Prophet [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] asked people on his way to Banu Qurayza, ‘Did you see anybody pass this way a little while ago?’ They said, ‘We saw Dehya Qalbi pass this way riding a white and black pony. He had silk sheet spread under him.’ Prophet [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] said, ‘That was Jibreel [Alayhis salaam] who was sent to Banu Qurayza to destroy their forts and induce fear in their hearts.’

Sahih Bukhari

Volume 6, Book 61, Number 503:
Narrated Abu 'Uthman: I was informed that Gabriel came to the Prophet while Um Salama was with him. Gabriel started talking (to the Prophet). Then the Prophet asked Um Salama, “Who is this?” She replied, “He is Dihya (al-Kalbi).” When Gabriel had left, Um Salama said, “By Allah, I did not take him for anybody other than him (i.e. Dihya) till I heard the sermon of the Prophet wherein he informed about the news of Gabriel.” The subnarrator asked Abu 'Uthman: From whom have you heard that? Abu 'Uthman said: From Usama bin Zaid.

Volume 4, Book 56, Number 827:
Narrated Abu Uthman: I got the news that Gabriel came to the Prophet while Um Salama was present. Gabriel started talking (to the Prophet and then left. The Prophet said to Um Salama, “(Do you know) who it was?” (or a similar question). She said, “It was Dihya (a handsome person amongst the companions of the Prophet ).” Later on Um Salama said, “By Allah! I thought he was none but Dihya, till I heard the Prophet talking about Gabriel in his sermon.” (The Sub-narrator asked Abu 'Uthman, “From where have you heard this narration?” He replied, “From Usama bin Zaid.”)

Sahih Muslim Book 031, Number 6006:
Salman reported: In case it lies in your power don’t be one to enter the bazar first and the last to get out of that because there is a bustle and the standard of Satan is set there. He said: I was informed that Gabriel (Allah be pleased with him) came to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) and there was with him Umin Salama and he began to talk with him. He then stood up, whereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to Umm Salama: (Do you know) who was he and what did he say? She said: He was Dihya (Kalbi). He reported Umm Salama having said: By Allah, I did not deem him but only he (Dihya) until I heard the address of Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) informing him about us. He (the narrator) said: I said to Uthman: From whom did you hear it? He said: From Usima b. Zaid.

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So you see… the people of the time kept seeing Dihya but Muhammad only saw Jibril. Allah is most wise.

 

[chet]

How can Jesus (PBUH) be God if he is supposed to be the son of God?

A Psalm of David.Psalm 110:1

The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”

Matthew 26:64

Jesus said to him, " You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."

Mark 16:19

So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.

Acts 6:8,7:55-56

And Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people. But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and **Jesus standing at the right hand of God; ** and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and ** the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God. **”

** Hebrews 12:2**

fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

According to the Psalm, Jesus (The one who God says,Sit at My right hand) is Lord; as God the Father is the Lord.

 

[Hellisreal]

God is most wise.

And he asks us to love- no matter how trying it may be.

A loving Father.

The Trinity is the perfect example of a family.

We as humans are imperfect, and do not understand, so therefore we have some humans seeking out human understandings of the Fully Man Fully Divine -

In the end, Jesus asks us to love them all

They do love Mary. This is a start.

 

[chet]

God is most wise.

And he asks us to love- no matter how trying it may be.

A loving Father.

The Trinity is the perfect example of a family.

We as humans are imperfect, and do not understand, so therefore we have some humans seeking out human understandings of the Fully Man Fully Divine -

In the end, Jesus asks us to love them all

They do love Mary. This is a start.

The Gospel of Luke 1:27-38

To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David: and the virgin’s name was Mary. And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. Who having heard, was troubled at his saying and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God. Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb and shalt bring forth a son: and thou shalt call his name** Jesus. He **shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father: and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever. And of his kingdom there shall be no end. And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man? And the angel answering, said to her: **The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also **the Holy child ****which shall be born of thee shall be called The Son of God. And behold thy cousin Elizabeth, she also hath conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her that is called barren. Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord: be it done to me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

**Luke 1:39-43 **

And Mary rising up in those days, went into the hill country with haste into a city of Juda. And she entered into the house of Zachary and saluted Elizabeth. And it came to pass that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost. And she cried out with a loud voice and said: Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

 

[Montalban]

According to your beliefs. But try for years, you can’t make him say that, because he never said that, he is God.

Well you’re in a bind then. Because according to our beliefs he did.

You can argue your interpretation of our texts if you want, but you’re then judging our faith by your beliefs, not ours, because as noted, according to our beliefs, he did.

You’ve simply created a construct of argument that you can’t now win.