Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

[Montalban]

The Bible contains quite a few narrations describing how the ancient Jews applied their laws towards the Gentiles when they were engaged in conflicts with them.

Are these bits of the Bible that are error free?

 

[Montalban]

How can Jesus be God if he is supposed to be the son of God?

start here

Although it’s a Protestant site, it’s a good beginning

 

[Montalban]

The below is for you too.

The problem for those sorts of drawings is long noted.

Haeckel tried similar drawings to push his beliefs

 

[obadiah]

Apparently, Muhammad used to mistake one of his companions, Dihya al-Qalbi, as the angel Jibril. Some people might say that Muhammad was the prophet of Dihya. Some people might say that the author of the Quran was Dihya because of Muhammad’s mistaken belief that Dihya was Jibril. But I won’t be so uncharitable.

Here is the evidence.

alinaam.org.za/library/rasul/ddminarets.htm
Bukhari as narrated by Aaisha [Radhiallaahu anha], ‘After the battle of Ahzaab, Prophet [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] disarmed himself and took a bath. In the meanwhile, Jibreel [Alayhis salaam] came riding a pony and talked to the Prophet [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] near the door step of Baab Jibreel. Jibreel [Alayhis salaam] said to the Prophet [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam], ‘You have put away your arms but we (the angels) are still in battle uniforms. So you should come with us to attack Jewish tribe Banu Qurayza.’ Aaisha [Radhiallaahu anha] added, ‘I was looking at Jibreel [Alayhis salaam] through the cracks in the door of my hut. Jibreel [Alayhis salaam] was covered with dust.’

Prophet [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] asked people on his way to Banu Qurayza, ‘Did you see anybody pass this way a little while ago?’ They said, ‘We saw Dehya Qalbi pass this way riding a white and black pony. He had silk sheet spread under him.’ Prophet [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] said, ‘That was Jibreel [Alayhis salaam] who was sent to Banu Qurayza to destroy their forts and induce fear in their hearts.’

Sahih Bukhari

Volume 6, Book 61, Number 503:
Narrated Abu 'Uthman: I was informed that Gabriel came to the Prophet while Um Salama was with him. Gabriel started talking (to the Prophet). Then the Prophet asked Um Salama, “Who is this?” She replied, “He is Dihya (al-Kalbi).” When Gabriel had left, Um Salama said, “By Allah, I did not take him for anybody other than him (i.e. Dihya) till I heard the sermon of the Prophet wherein he informed about the news of Gabriel.” The subnarrator asked Abu 'Uthman: From whom have you heard that? Abu 'Uthman said: From Usama bin Zaid.

Volume 4, Book 56, Number 827:
Narrated Abu Uthman: I got the news that Gabriel came to the Prophet while Um Salama was present. Gabriel started talking (to the Prophet and then left. The Prophet said to Um Salama, “(Do you know) who it was?” (or a similar question). She said, “It was Dihya (a handsome person amongst the companions of the Prophet ).” Later on Um Salama said, “By Allah! I thought he was none but Dihya, till I heard the Prophet talking about Gabriel in his sermon.” (The Sub-narrator asked Abu 'Uthman, “From where have you heard this narration?” He replied, “From Usama bin Zaid.”)

Sahih Muslim Book 031, Number 6006:
Salman reported: In case it lies in your power don’t be one to enter the bazar first and the last to get out of that because there is a bustle and the standard of Satan is set there. He said: I was informed that Gabriel (Allah be pleased with him) came to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) and there was with him Umin Salama and he began to talk with him. He then stood up, whereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to Umm Salama: (Do you know) who was he and what did he say? She said: He was Dihya (Kalbi). He reported Umm Salama having said: By Allah, I did not deem him but only he (Dihya) until I heard the address of Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) informing him about us. He (the narrator) said: I said to Uthman: From whom did you hear it? He said: From Usima b. Zaid.

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So you see… the people of the time kept seeing Dihya but Muhammad only saw Jibril. Allah is most wise.

OH MY GOD!!! the angel was ONLY a man :dancing: :banghead: :bigyikes:

 

[Verisimilitude]

Do you Jesus (pbuh) was not God when he dead on cross?

Jesus Christ was human. He could be hungry, He could bleed, and He could die.

Did Jesus (pbuh) freely laid it down for us? Why then he prayed to be saved from cross?

I’ll answer only if you accept it was Jesus on the cross, and that He died there. Otherwise, why convince someone who only thinks an imposter was killed and Jesus went off to India?

Sin defeated?!! Sin is a choice. It exists in our free will. As long as we have free will, we will have the ability to sin. And my sin comes out of my choice, not yours. Adam’s (pbuh) sin were came out of his choice, not main. We are not responsible of the sin of each others. Jesus (pbuh) or anyone cannot pay for my sin as per Ezekiel 18:20 and as per any normal thinking logical mind. And please let it be known to you, WE ARE NOT SLAVE OF OUR FREE WILL. IT IS A GIFT GIVEN BY GOD, SO THAT WE MAY CHOOSE GOOD AND BAD. GOD WANT US TO CHOOSE GOOD FROM BAD, SO HE GAVE US GUIDENCE THROUGH MESSENGERS AND REVELATIONS.

The effect of sin has been defeated, not the ability to sin. It is you who are doubting God.

You are doubting the ability of God. Is there any divine purpose that God HAD TO come down as a human? That HAD TO is limiting God’s ability. He is able to do anything in the same state he is. There is nothing tha he can learn from being a human.

Had to…? No. God has to do nothing. He did so for our benefit, not His.

God incarnating in human is an old pagan concept. It existed in my own country, among Hindus. They are still waiting for the next God incarnation ‘KALKI AVATAR’. Your concept is not very different.

Must it be unique to be true? Nothing about Mohamed is true, and can you answer why you worship Mohamed from the previous post?

 

[exoflare]

I’ll answer only if you accept it was Jesus on the cross, and that He died there. Otherwise, why convince someone who only thinks an imposter was killed and Jesus went off to India?

LOL I think you may be confusing him with paarsurrey now…

 

[Khalfan]

Yes, it does for two reasons:
1.) The self-proclaimed capstone to all prophets elevates himself above Christ who, as noted above, is God, who lived a perfect and sinless life, and who died as a martyr. Mohamed is none of those things, and it is an offense to lower Him to Mohameds level to make Mohamed what he is not- legitimate.

What if Jesus (pbuh) was not God and never died? That is the perspective we see him. He was beloved to God and since even bible supports that he wanted and prayed to be saved from cross, we believe God accepted his prayer. That one prayer contradicts both your claims that He was God (He wouldn’t pray to be saved if he was God) and he was martyr (He never wanted to be killed by Jews and the beloving God cannot reject the pray of his beloved messenger).

As messengers, Mohamed and Jesus (pbut) had their own mission which they were supposed to fulfill. Mohamed (pbuh) is greater because he is the one came us as messenger of God. Jesus (pbuh) was the one came Israelites. As humans they were the same. As messengers, they were greater to the respective people they came to.

2.) Every aspect of a Mohammedans life is predicated on being “as good” as Mohammed. You said it yourself, Christ said to follow the Law summed up in the two greatest Commandments to love God with all mind/body/soul, and your neighbor as yourself. Mohamed shattered that Law for all who claim him the capstone of prophets.

Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) never shattered that teachings. As the time changed, he had theach more things as well. He was teaching Islam as the religion to live till end of days.

I have noticed a theme by most/all Mohammedans. They say the obey the Law, but break it in the name of Mohammed. They say the respect other faiths, but kill/subjugate in the name of Mohammed.

Lie. Islam doesn’t teach to kill anyone. Instead, it teaches if we kill one man, he will have to suffer the penalty in the afterlife as for he killed the entire humanity. There is no other religion in the face of earth, took murder that serious. Don’t evaluate Islam for the acts of some terrorists which none of Muslims or Islam doesn’t agree. That is nonsense.

They say women have greater rights under Islam, but Mohammed made them “like dogs” as Aisha told Mohammed when he told them of the hajib verse and their deficiency in intelligence and religion.

Another Lie. Quote that hadees where Mohamed (pbuh) made them ‘like dogs’. I can explain it.

To say you believe Mohammed is only a slave and not equal to God is lip service in the likes of the above qualifications. You think him greater than any human who ever walked the Earth. You have elevated him so far that a crucifix of Christ in a jar of urine does not make you blink, but a cartoon of Mohammed makes you kill/riot. If Muslims gave all prophets the same defference you might have more authority to say what you say, but it is you who show the world what you think of Mohammed- though you deny it in word- you worship him by deed, doing exactly what he did, and taking his words as the words of God.

Childish. You know nothing about Islam.

None of the athiests or any of those people made fun of Jesus (pbuh) the messenger, but of the GODLY JESUS which is more concerned in Christianity. If you never reacted, thats is your problem. You don’t love your GOD as much as we love our God and our messenger. We don’t allow anyone to make fun of them and that includes Jesus (pbuh) the messenger as well.

 

[exoflare]

Lie. Islam doesn’t teach to kill anyone. Instead, it teaches if we kill one man, he will have to suffer the penalty in the afterlife as for he killed the entire humanity.

Unless they are apostates, I guess.

 

[exoflare]

None of the athiests or any of those people made fun of Jesus (pbuh) the messenger,

Most people don’t bother making fun of someone who never existed.

 

[Khalfan]

I can’t believe anyone actually takes that gum/embryo stuff seriously. There is just no hope for anyone who forces out reason by replacing it with imagination to this extent. This is like the equivalent of the people who saw the Virgin Mary in their grilled cheese sandwich.

Scientists already accepted the sign of embryo mentioned in Quran is accurate.

 

[obadiah]

Unless they are apostates, I guess.

I am a proud apostate from Islam! I took shahada back in 1976 and then I rejected Islam and the EVIL false prophet mohammad( God’s curse and hatred be upon him forever.)
KILL ME I will even go to Mecca and proclaim this in a loud voice at the Kaaba, I’ll spit on the black stone and use the pages of the qur’an for wiping myself after toilet.

 

[MHalsey]

The below is for you too.

I did, and I almost fell off my chair laughing. Gotta love the picture of the piece of chewing gum.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Khalfan:

Islam doesn’t teach to kill anyone. Instead, it teaches if we kill one man, he will have to suffer the penalty in the afterlife as for he killed the entire humanity. There is no other religion in the face of earth, took murder that serious.

Unfortunately that verse proves Muhammad was a plagiarist because he copied that from Sanhedrin 37a which is a rabbinical commentary of the Cain and Abel story - used in a Sanhedrin capital court case.

So, you see, my friend Khalfan, your Quran is a figment of Dihya al-Qalbi’s imagination that he told to his buddy Muhammad the bandit.

 

[Khalfan]

What a long post that does not answer my question in the slightest? Do you think you can befuddle us with your ‘non-answer’?

My question stands:
How do you KNOW that all the prophets were taught by Gabriel?

Quit strange. Either you didn’t understand the answer. Or you are just acting so. Let me make it simple for you. You have the answer in your own Bible. Jesus (pbuh) appeared to Paul in vision and taught many things that he didn’t, while he was alive as per your Bible.

Now tell me, how do you know, it was Jesus (pbuh) who appeared to him? What is your evidence for it? Hope your answer for this question will answer your question as well.

If you have no evidence why did you make such a claim?

I claimed it in light of Quran.

Of those messengers, some of whom We have caused to excel others, and of whom there are some unto whom Allah spake, while some of them He exalted (above others) in degree; and We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs (of Allah’s Sovereignty) and We supported him with the holy Spirit (Jibreel)… .-Quran 2:253

Praise be to Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, Who appointeth the angels messengers having wings two, three and four. He multiplieth in creation what He will. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things. Quran 35:1

Islam teaches angel Gabriel (pbuh) as the angel appointed for revelations.

All we know for sure is that Muhammad was the only ‘so-called’ prophet that derived his scripture from a third party.

How do you know that for sure? Any evidence?

Did you know that there are sahih hadiths that say that Muhammad mistook a companion named Dihya al-Kalbi for Jibril? No? Well- it’s the truth.

Volume 6, Book 61, Number 503:
Narrated Abu 'Uthman:

I was informed that Gabriel came to the Prophet while Um Salama was with him. Gabriel started talking (to the Prophet). Then the Prophet asked Um Salama, “Who is this?” She replied, “He is Dihya (al-Kalbi).” When Gabriel had left, Um Salama said, “By Allah, I did not take him for anybody other than him (i.e. Dihya) till I heard the sermon of the Prophet wherein he informed about the news of Gabriel.” The subnarrator asked Abu 'Uthman: From whom have you heard that? Abu 'Uthman said: From Usama bin Zaid.

Is this the incident you quoted?

From previous scriptures we know that it is claimed Moses and Jesus talked to God directly.

Moses (pbuh) did. Jesus (pbuh) did not.

On the other hand, Muhammad had to talk to a lackey who most probably was not even an angel but a man named Dihya al-Kalbi.

But thanks for letting us all know you have no evidence whatsoever to prove your assertions that ‘all prophets were taught by Gabriel.’

I do not have any ‘evidence’ but clear teachings in Quran and Hadees on it. Do you have anything other than the statements in Bible to prove Jesus (pbuh) spoke directly to God, for Paul saw Jesus (pbuh) in vision, for John the baptist heard the voice from heaven, for Moses (pbuh) saw ‘back parts’ of God?

 

[Khalfan]

His apostle Philip,as well as the rest of his apostles knew him for only 3 years or less.Khalfan of course I’m not going to let you take a verse out of context and let it stand as your argument.**You have said,"Jesus never said he was God."If I said to you the same thing Jesus said to the Jews and to his apostle Philip: You would say that I’m a blasphemer and probably crazy! I would very likely face some death threats. And that is also what Jesus faced for what he said. **

What do you have to say on John 5:37?

 

[Khalfan]

Who is Dihya al-Kalbi? was he jibreel?

Dihya Al Kalbi (ra) was a companion of prophet (pbuh). Angel Gabriel (pbuh) came in the form of Dahya Al Kalbi (ra) and the wife of prophet (pbhu) misunderstood.

Volume 6, Book 61, Number 503:
Narrated Abu 'Uthman:

I was informed that Gabriel came to the Prophet while Um Salama was with him. Gabriel started talking (to the Prophet). Then the Prophet asked Um Salama, “Who is this?” She replied, “He is Dihya (al-Kalbi).” When Gabriel had left, Um Salama said, “By Allah, I did not take him for anybody other than him (i.e. Dihya) till I heard the sermon of the Prophet wherein he informed about the news of Gabriel.” The subnarrator asked Abu 'Uthman: From whom have you heard that? Abu 'Uthman said: From Usama bin Zaid.

 

[Dulcimer]

We see that Paul says the exact opposite that Jesus (pbuh) taught in your own Bible. He invalidated previous commandmends that Jesus (pbuh) asked to follow.

Where is this? Please provide chapter and verse…

(And I, like Chet, would like to see your responses to his previously mentioned posts, 888 etc.)

P.S. To everyone RE: “Does God go to the bathroom?”…please stop overreacting. I took this as a rhetorical question (the answer to which is “of course not!”). I disagree with the author’s conclusions, but the statement itself is not necessarily insulting.

 

[Khalfan]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word… and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. And we beheld His Glory…of the only begotton of the Father full of grace and truth.

What was that word?

 

[Dulcimer]

Lie. Islam doesn’t teach to kill anyone.

Qur’an 3:56 “As for those disbelieving infidels, I will punish them with a terrible agony in this world and the next. They have no one to help or save them.”

Qur’an 4:89 They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and **kill them **wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Sorry, it sounds like that’s exactly what Islam teaches…

 

[Dulcimer]

What was that word?

The One that dwelt among us and took on Flesh: Jesus Christ…