Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

[paarsurrey]

Are you saying that God wanted Muhhamad’s enemies to have there fingers chopped off? That sounds more like a terrorist then a prophet of God. “Smiting off fingers” is meant to terrorize and send a message to the enemy. Is this Gods wish?
-D

Hi
Humans could make mistakes rather blunders, so please don’t hesitate, have a little research as I have suggested. There is no compulsion that you believe everything written there blindly. I leave it to your sweet will.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
GodAllahYHWH is All-Knowing; one should invariably give Claim and Reason on all important issues from one’s Revealed Book; one shouldn’t try putting one’s own words into God’s mouth.

 

[mirandajb]

You need to first ascertain for yourself that the Hebrew Torah is indeed “the authentic and correct version”.

You need to watch this documentary.

What a whole lot of propaganda gathered by the Muslims.
The Bible is still the best selling book in the world and is the only religious book that can stand up to a scientific audit. Please read “The Bible Code” written by Michael Drosnin who is an atheist - the New York Bestseller. Michael is an investigative journalist / scientist / mathematician and wrote the Book using the Hebrew version of the Torah together with Rabbi scientists. Most of the incidents that have happened recently are encoded in the Torah (Hebrew version only) which was written about 2,000 years ago - using a computer and systematic skipped lettering. Read the book and be convinced. I am no scientist but the evidence is there for those who wish to test it. No other religious book in the world, can make this claim but only applies to the Torah in Hebrew.

 

[hosemonkey]

Hi
Humans could make mistakes rather blunders, so please don’t hesitate, have a little research as I have suggested. There is no compulsion that you believe everything written there blindly. I leave it to your sweet will.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
GodAllahYHWH is All-Knowing; one should invariably give Claim and Reason on all important issues from one’s Revealed Book; one shouldn’t try putting one’s own words into God’s mouth.

You seem like a nice fellow, and I wish that your fellow moslems were half as tolerant. But, the fact is, you follow a false, violent religion that brooks no opposition from any other faith. And though you are well-meaning, your very attitude of tolerance would get you killed or persecuted by your fellow moslems. If you seek to follow a faith of truth and tolerance, follow Jesus.

 

[paarsurrey]

You seem like a nice fellow, and I wish that your fellow moslems were half as tolerant. But, the fact is, you follow a false, violent religion that brooks no opposition from any other faith. And though you are well-meaning, your very attitude of tolerance would get you killed or persecuted by your fellow moslems. If you seek to follow a faith of truth and tolerance, follow Jesus.

Hi
We Ahmadis are already bieng persecuted in many coutries of the world, only for our peaceful approach in religion. But then JesusYeshuaIssa was also persecuted for his truthful and peaceful religion. I told you that I followMoses, JesusYeshuaIssa and Muhammad all peaceful and truthful ProphtesMessengers of GodAllahYHWH, so we submit to the will of GodAllahYHWH.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
GodAllahYHWH is All-Knowing; one should invariably give Claim and Reason on all important issues from one’s Revealed Book; one shouldn’t try putting one’s own words into God’s mouth.

 

[famdigy]

"I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah" Surah 8:12, 17

Is this a valid part of the Quran? As an unbeliever should this happen to me? Maybe I am not taking this in proper context.

-D

Darrel, this verse applies to those who actively fight the Muslims (in war). It also applies to the hypocrite Muslims who went against the commands of the prophet after his death, the ones who abused and usurped the rights of his nephew Ali and Daughter Fatimah, and the ones who brutally murdered his Grandson Hussain.

"Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. (Quran 6:8)

 

[thomasf]

Peace Be Upon Him…

When I see tha it sounds like someone spitting in my mind.

 

[Darrel]

Darrel, this verse applies to those who actively fight the Muslims (in war). It also applies to the hypocrite Muslims who went against the commands of the prophet after his death, the ones who abused and usurped the rights of his nephew Ali and Daughter Fatimah, and the ones who brutally murdered his Grandson Hussain.

"Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. (Quran 6:8)

OK,

But can you tell me why God would want peoples fingers cut off? Would it not be more just to just kill them? The verse also says “it was not you who slew them it was God”. This statement could empower people to do just about anything.

In essence the verse says … cut off all of there fingers and kill them, and don’t feel an ounce of guilt… it was not you who killed them it was God.

This seems like it is calling God evil to me. Maybe this verse should be added to the satanic verses. Is it possible that Muhhamed was decieved here?

-D

 

[MugenOne]

Jesus, the prophet, returns to judge the living and the death at the end of time, doesn’t that disqualify big Mo as the “last prophet?”

 

[Verisimilitude]

You need to first ascertain for yourself that the Hebrew Torah is indeed “the authentic and correct version”.

You need to watch this documentary.

I watched it. Very poor research and his conclusions are a joke. Be that as it may, if you, hamba2han, think the video is accurate to prove the untrustworthiness of the books that came before the koran, then you discredit the qur’an itself because the quran relies on those books.

The insane circular reasoning which you in particular spew here is tiresome and without merit.

 

[hosemonkey]

Hi
We Ahmadis are already bieng persecuted in many coutries of the world, only for our peaceful approach in religion. But then JesusYeshuaIssa was also persecuted for his truthful and peaceful religion. I told you that I followMoses, JesusYeshuaIssa and Muhammad all peaceful and truthful ProphtesMessengers of GodAllahYHWH, so we submit to the will of GodAllahYHWH.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
GodAllahYHWH is All-Knowing; one should invariably give Claim and Reason on all important issues from one’s Revealed Book; one shouldn’t try putting one’s own words into God’s mouth.

Then we could live in peace. The problem lies in those moslems who, as you say, have perverted Islam and will not live in peace. These people are my enemy and I harbor no illusions as to their intent. They are are a cancer that must be eradicated.

 

[famdigy]

OK,

But can you tell me why God would want peoples fingers cut off? Would it not be more just to just kill them? The verse also says “it was not you who slew them it was God”. This statement could empower people to do just about anything.

In essence the verse says … cut off all of there fingers and kill them, and don’t feel an ounce of guilt… it was not you who killed them it was God.

This seems like it is calling God evil to me. Maybe this verse should be added to the satanic verses. Is it possible that Muhhamed was decieved here?

-D

Darrel,
the context of this verse starts from 8:9 - 8:17, I won’t quote everything for the sake of brevity but you’re free to look it up. It starts with a recount of the battle of Badr (see the link below for details) where 313 Muslim men made up of mostly the elderly and weak were facing a well equipped and fierce army of 1000. it works out to a 3-to-1 odds against the Muslims. The prophet at the head of this small group of men ordered the Muslims to fight but for many it seems like plunging head first into certain inhalation. Why did God forsake them in the face of a merciless army? They were outnumbered, under equipped, weak and naturally were afraid. Against these odds they prayed for God to assist them (Quran 8:9). God answered their prayers and sent down Angels to make firm their hearts and resolve. Drowsiness to help then sleep the night and rest well before the fight. Rain Water to drink and to purify themselves and to make firm the soft soil they were on. (Quran 8:9-11). When the day of the battle arrived, God gave the muslims the injunction to fight by striking at the heads and smiting the finger tips so the enemy is not able to pick up any weapons against them. But the rethoric of smiting over necks and finger tips is to galvanize and strengthen their resolve to fight fiercely and not be afraid. At the end of it all, against all odds the Muslims came out victorious. The Makkans suffered heavy casualties while the muslims only had a few deaths. The Makkans retreated despite their large numbers and left behind a lot of war spoils (hence the name of the surah is “the war spoils”). The muslims even took prisoners, the wealthy ones were released on ransom, the ones who can read and write were released after they teach the muslim children to read and write. This was a great unexpected victory and if it wasn’t for God’s help they surely would have been annihilated once and for all therfore the credit belongs to God when he said “it was not you who killed them it was God” also to reassure them God did not forsake them as some of them had initially thought.

battle of badr
al-islam.org/restatement/22.htm

commentary on these verses (be sure to check Pooya/M.A. Ali Engl. Commentary and one or more of the english translations)
al-islam.org/quran

 

[Darrel]

Darrel,
the context of this verse starts from 8:9 - 8:17, I won’t quote everything for the sake of brevity but you’re free to look it up. It starts with a recount of the battle of Badr (see the link below for details) where 313 Muslim men made up of mostly the elderly and weak were facing a well equipped and fierce army of 1000. it works out to a 3-to-1 odds against the Muslims. The prophet at the head of this small group of men ordered the Muslims to fight but for many it seems like plunging head first into certain inhalation. Why did God forsake them in the face of a merciless army? They were outnumbered, under equipped, weak and naturally were afraid. Against these odds they prayed for God to assist them (Quran 8:9). God answered their prayers and sent down Angels to make firm their hearts and resolve. Drowsiness to help then sleep the night and rest well before the fight. Rain Water to drink and to purify themselves and to make firm the soft soil they were on. (Quran 8:9-11). When the day of the battle arrived, God gave the muslims the injunction to fight by striking at the heads and smiting the finger tips so the enemy is not able to pick up any weapons against them. But the rethoric of smiting over necks and finger tips is to galvanize and strengthen their resolve to fight fiercely and not be afraid. At the end of it all, against all odds the Muslims came out victorious. The Makkans suffered heavy casualties while the muslims only had a few deaths. The Makkans retreated despite their large numbers and left behind a lot of war spoils (hence the name of the surah is “the war spoils”). The muslims even took prisoners, the wealthy ones were released on ransom, the ones who can read and write were released after they teach the muslim children to read and write. This was a great unexpected victory and if it wasn’t for God’s help they surely would have been annihilated once and for all therfore the credit belongs to God when he said “it was not you who killed them it was God” also to reassure them God did not forsake them as some of them had initially thought.

battle of badr
al-islam.org/restatement/22.htm

commentary on these verses (be sure to check Pooya/M.A. Ali Engl. Commentary and one or more of the english translations)
al-islam.org/quran

Thanks,

I appreciate the reply and have a better understanding of the context. In the end I don’t believe a singe word of it unfortunately. I find it amazing that Muslims on the outer fringe of Islam are trying to humanize a religion that kills women in brutal ways and endorses the lopping off of limbs for the sake of Islamic law enforcement.

I’m not trying to be mean spirited in this reply but I must be honest and say that Muhammed is an (obvious) false prophet and Islam is made an obvious false religion when looking at the enviroment it produces when allowed to come to it’s total fruition in controling a national government.

If God is going to deliver an enemy into an armies hands it will be in a way that echoes divinity like the army of Pharo consumed in the red sea, or the walls of Jerico coming down, or in David killing Goliath. God has a tendancy to make his presence (totally) known in such a situation.

Taking head shots and targeting peoples hands would fall under the catagory of military tactics, and not divine revelation. What it reads like is bad fiction. I think Muhammed was good at convincing people he was a prophet. Then again so was David Koresh. What I’m realy curious about is if these tactics would actually work or not in that type of battle in that time period. Any military historian types here who can pick apart this military scenario for effect?

-D

 

[Verisimilitude]

Is it possible that Muhhamed was decieved here?

He was deceived in the cave with the first vist by the spirit that never identified itslef. Everything that follows is a deception to humanity.

 

[famdigy]

Thanks,

I appreciate the reply and have a better understanding of the context. In the end I don’t believe a singe word of it unfortunately. I find it amazing that Muslims on the outer fringe of Islam are trying to humanize a religion that kills women in brutal ways and endorses the lopping off of limbs for the sake of Islamic law enforcement.

This is just the historical facts and its not important whether you believe it or not just as its important if someone denies historical facts about the romans or the ancient Egyptians because the facts speak for themselves and because at the end of the day to each his own, you have your religion and I have mine.

I’m not trying to be mean spirited in this reply but I must be honest and say that Muhammad is an (obvious) false prophet and Islam is made an obvious false religion when looking at the environment it produces when allowed to come to it’s total fruition in controlling a national government.

by that logic, Christianity must also be a false religion when looking at the environment it produced during the dark ages when the church and state were one.

Taking head shots and targeting peoples hands would fall under the category of military tactics, and not divine revelation.

What is purpose of divine revelation anyway; Is it not to guide people to what God wants?
Divine revelation in Islam is not limited to matters of belief, it encompasses everything from code of conduct, morality, legal laws, spirituality, asceticism etc…

 

[BelFarfalla]

Thanks,

I appreciate the reply and have a better understanding of the context. In the end I don’t believe a singe word of it unfortunately. I find it amazing that Muslims on the outer fringe of Islam are trying to humanize a religion that kills women in brutal ways and endorses the lopping off of limbs for the sake of Islamic law enforcement.

I’m not trying to be mean spirited in this reply but I must be honest and say that Muhammed is an (obvious) false prophet and Islam is made an obvious false religion when looking at the enviroment it produces when allowed to come to it’s total fruition in controling a national government.

If God is going to deliver an enemy into an armies hands it will be in a way that echoes divinity like the army of Pharo consumed in the red sea, or the walls of Jerico coming down, or in David killing Goliath. God has a tendancy to make his presence (totally) known in such a situation.

Taking head shots and targeting peoples hands would fall under the catagory of military tactics, and not divine revelation. What it reads like is bad fiction. I think Muhammed was good at convincing people he was a prophet. Then again so was David Koresh. What I’m realy curious about is if these tactics would actually work or not in that type of battle in that time period. Any military historian types here who can pick apart this military scenario for effect?

-D

Jesus brought a newer message, one of bringing the world to the entire world. He also stated that a person heard the word but was not interested we were to leave them alone. By using this approach mostly, by the time of Muhammad, Christianity had spread all through the Middle East, North Africa and Europe. It is inconceivable to me, that God would then have sent another prophet and give commands that were 180 degrees in the opposite direction.

When I read accounts of Muhammad what I see is a man who becomes violent once he has enough supporters to fight for him. He has people executed. This people raid caravans. That alone is enough for the local authorities in Mecca and Media to attack him and his band. They had the authority to protect the population.

The world did not need one more excuse for war and bloodshed. What it needed is many more reasons for people to NOT fight.

If Muhammad hand continued the message that Jesus started I might take him a bit more seriously. If he had found a way to use his charisma to bring peace between people I’d be impressed. Instead he used it for personal gain and power.

 

[famdigy]

BelFarfalla please get your facts straight and be honest with yourself. If you heard that al-qaeda was sending a caravan full of weapons and supplies for a large scale attack on America, wouldn’t you approve of preemptive military action to intercept the caravan? why then do you have a double standard when the prophet does the same?

The Prophet never starded the fight with the pagan Mekkans, it was the Makkans who started to persecute the muslims, many were tortured and killed and as a result the prophet gave the permission to migrate to Ethiopia, the good christian king gave the poor migrant muslims refuge there and now look ethiopia is almost 60% muslim, no fighting no bloodshed no violence.

But this wasn’t enough for the makkans, they wanted to kill the prophet so he escaped to Medina, even then the Makkans launched endless campaigns against him and the early Muslims. The battles of Badr, Uhud, Khandaq just to name a few.

 

[BelFarfalla]

The Prophet never starded the fight with the pagan Mekkans, it was the Makkans who started to persecute the muslims, many were tortured and killed and as a result the prophet gave the permission to migrate to Ethiopia, the good christian king gave the poor migrant muslims refuge there and now look ethiopia is almost 60% muslim, no fighting no bloodshed no violence.

You are wrong that there is no violence or blood shed in Ethiopia from the Muslims. Sorry spent a good number of years there … I saw Muslims killing Christians, unarmed men, women and children. The violence continues today.

 

[famdigy]

You are wrong that there is no violence or blood shed in Ethiopia from the Muslims. Sorry spent a good number of years there … I saw Muslims killing Christians, unarmed men, women and children. The violence continues today.

I don’t know where you were Bel, but I am from Ethiopia, I was born and raised in Addis Abeba the capital city, I have fond childhood memories of my old neighborhood and our Christian neighbors, In fact my cousins went back there a few years ago and their circle of friends included Christians and Muslims. Ethiopians are not divided along religious lines but are divided by tribal and language lines, there are over 100 dialects and tribes. Among the major tribes are the tigris and amaras who don’t get along very well.

 

[french]

to the ahmadi muslim who asked about where the quran says that the Blessed mother is brother of aaron, daughter of imram…

sura 19:28-29 says that Mary, mother of Jesus, was the brother of Aaron.

then, in surah 66:12, it says that the Blessed Mother is the daughter of Imram!

read it up for yourself. even the yusuf ali has commentary on it. he says that it just so happened to be a coincidence… haha yeah right! imram wasn’t even a popular name in Jesus’ time!

 

[famdigy]

to the ahmadi muslim who asked about
read it up for yourself. even the yusuf ali has commentary on it. he says that it just so happened to be a coincidence… haha yeah right! imram wasn’t even a popular name in Jesus’ time!

I don’t get it, what has this got to do with popularity?