Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

[Booklover]

**paarsurrey specifically ignores the Hadith which are also considered important in Islam. Many of the tenents of Islam, such as the execution of apostates, come from the Hadith, not the Qur’an. **

The Qur’an and Hadiths do not tell of Muhammad directly killing anyone with his own hand. Instead he ordered many assassinations, attacks/battles, and executions. So others did the dirty work for him. I guess this is supposed to make him not culpable for the deaths. Using this logic, Hitler was an innocent man.

**So paarsurrey may be technically correct that the Qur’an does tell of Muhammad himself killing anyone. **

Ex-Muslim Ali Sina of FFI has written a new book about Muhammad entitled “Understanding Muhammad: the Psychobiography of Allah’s Prophet”.

In the introduction to the book, he states several cases of violence perpetrated by Muslims and then explains:

" These acts are insane, but the irony is that none of the perpetrators were insane. They were “absolutely normal” people. What motivated them to commit these heinous crimes? The answer is Islam. Such occurrences are daily events in the Islamic world. Everywhere Muslims are busy killing people for what they believe.

Why? What makes sane people commit such evil? Why are Muslims, as a lot, so angry with others, so at war with the world that they are often quick to resort to violence? Millions of Muslims riot, protest, and kill completely innocent people anytime, anywhere, says something about Muhammad. This kind of behavior is not rational. Yet the perpetrators are completely sane people. How can we explain this paradox?

To understand this we must understand that Muslims are expected to be, and to think like their prophet. As such, their attitudes, beliefs, thoughts and actions come to reflect his personality and mind. Since Muhammad is the model for all that is righteous in Islam, it is expected that they emulate him in every way, to do what he did and to think the way he thought. The result of this is that Muslims, as a whole, by virtue of taking on the life of Muhammad, leave behind their own, forsaking their humanity and to a large degree, their individuality. As they come to inhabit the narcissistic bubble universe of their prophet, and to the extent that they follow his examples, they become extensions of him. Muslims are twigs from the tree of Islam and the root of that tree is Muhammad. They share his character, his attitude and his mindset. You could say each Muslim is a mini Muhammad of a sort. Therefore, to understand Muslims, individually as well as collectively, we must first come to know and understand Muhammad."

For more information about the book and how to obtain it, see here.

Vickie

 

[BelFarfalla]

Hi
Hadith was collected after 250/300 years after the death of Muhammad, so the events recorded in Quran should form the basis of any important discussion.
Hadith is only to be believed reliable if it conforms the Quran, otherwise not, so again the real source would be Quran.
Sunni sources of Hadith are not accepted by the Shia, and Shia sources of Hadith are not accepted by the Sunnis, but Quran is the same for both Sunnis and Shias. So , Quran is the real basis for any worhtwhile discussion.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

There are Hadiths that are attributed the Aisha, Muhammad child bride. It is said that she spent her life recording Hadiths.
If I were a Muslim, I’d also look for a lot of reasons to throw out a huge percentage of Hadiths as there are some that are horrific. But you need to realize that these have shaped Islam for centuries and into what it is today. These were things written by people who loved Muhammad and Islam. This is how they portrayed their own prophet and their own religion. It’s very telling.

 

[Booklover]

There are Hadiths that are attributed the Aisha, Muhammad child bride. It is said that she spent her life recording Hadiths.
If I were a Muslim, I’d also look for a lot of reasons to throw out a huge percentage of Hadiths as there are some that are horrific. But you need to realize that these have shaped Islam for centuries and into what it is today. These were things written by people who loved Muhammad and Islam. This is how they portrayed their own prophet and their own religion. It’s very telling.

Exactly! Why would the hadiths which were written by Muhammad’s followers, depict him as vile, ruthless, cunning and even as a sexual pervert, unless these things were true?

How can Muslims continue to believe in such an unholy man as that?

Vickie

 

[hamba2han]

hamba - i believe in Deuteronomy 18, it says that if a person speaks anything OTHER THEN FROM GOD, then they are a false prophet.

1. mohammad claimed it was from the angel gabriel - so mohammad didn’t speak from God. he spoke from an angel!
2. the Satanic Verses… surah 53.

أَفَرَأَيْتُمُ اللَّاتَ وَالْعُزَّى
وَمَنَاةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الْأُخْرَى
أَلَكُمُ الذَّكَرُ وَلَهُ الْأُنثَى
تِلْكَ إِذًا قِسْمَةٌ ضِيزَى. سورة النجم - سورة ‏٥٣: ١٩-٢٢

although it doesn’t say that now, it originally did. don’t believe me? read ibn ishaqs biography on mohammad. read al tabaris writings. read bukhari hadith. read yusuf alis commentary!

during the time these “revelations” came about, many of mohammads followers were in ethiopia. so mohammad obviously wasn’t very safe. therefore, he felt that the need to produce something that would make the pagans of the qurainish (sp?) happy. so, he made those. it says something like “now tell me about al lat, al uzza, and mannat, the third one another goddess.” and it goes on lol.

so mohammad had spoken what satan said. therefore, he can’t be a prophet of God.

when mohammads followers returned from ethiopia, they were like “what is this!” so mohammad came out with surah 22:52 and 53.

now it is true that prohpets in the Bible had been tested and tempted by satan. but NEVER did satan even once interfere and tell the prophets to preach something that wasn’t from God. never! and if a prophet DID preach something, and then say later on “oh, that was from satan”, people would immediately disreguard them as a prophet, because they had preached something other then what God has told them!

this right here is enough evidence for us, as Christians, to not believe mohammad was a prophet.

The Qur’an itself is the proof that it is just so extremely unlikely for it to have been inspired by Satan.

Let us examine how much sense (or non-sense) this allegation makes.

If he authored or inspired the Quran, why would Satan curse himself and call himself the worst enemy of man?

(35:6) Verily Satan is an enemy to you: so treat him as an enemy. He only invites his adherents, that they may become Companions of the Blazing Fire.

(36:60) "Did I not enjoin on you, O ye Children of Adam, that ye should not worship Satan; for that he was to you an enemy avowed?-

Why would Satan command that before reciting the Quran, one must first say:

“I seek refuge in God from Satan the accursed.” (Quran 16:98)

How could Satan so vehemently condemn himself? Is it really acceptable to common sense to hold the view that Satan would ask people to do good, to be moral and virtuous, to worship none but God, to not follow Satan or his whispers, and to avoid and struggle against evil?

To hold such a view is clearly repugnant to reason, as Satan has only undermined himself through this means if he is the author. Even the Bible attests:

“And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but is coming to an end.” (Mark 3:26)

This argument applies to any “Satanic forces”, be they “evil spirits”, “deceitful aliens”, etc.

And with regard to the “Satanic verse”, this is no truth to this story whatsoever as the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) never said those verses.

A full explanation of this can be read here.

 

[paarsurrey]

Being Muslim means you are a sworn enemy of Christians and Jews, as the quran teaches to kill all non-believers.
Christians are non-believers according to Islam, as we believe Jesus IS God.

Hi
I respect you opinion, but your above expression is not correct, needs to be rectified by a little more research. If you have some more time, please access website links I have provided elsewhere today.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

 

[Booklover]

And God did indeed spoke directly to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) during the event known as Isra and Mi’raj (Night Journey) when he ascended to the Heavens.

Muhammad plagiarized the night journey from the Zoroastrian story of the ascension of Arta Viraf! See here.

 

[hamba2han]

Muhammad plagiarized the night journey from the Zoroastrian story of the ascension of Arta Viraf!

I think you got the plagiarism part the wrong way round for it is the “Zoroastrian” story which is likely to have been copied from the Muslims long after the advent of Islam.

The Arda Wiraz-namag, like many of the Zoroastrian works, underwent successive redactions. It assumed its definitive form in the 9th-10th centuries AD, as may be seen in the texts frequent Persianisms, usages known to be characteristic of early Persian literature.

In its surviving form it is a prose work, written in simple, direct style; and an introductory chapter indicates a date after the Arab conquest. This late redaction was made in Pars, and is probably one of the 9th/10th century literary products of the province.

The introductory chapter indicates a date after the Arab conquest and was apparently written in Pars. It is probably one of the 9th or 10th century literary products of the province. A linguistic analysis supports this view.

The full article can be read here.

 

[hosemonkey]

Hi
I respect you opinion, but your above expression is not correct, needs to be rectified by a little more research. If you have some more time, please access website links I have provided elsewhere today.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

Moslems are the sworn enemy of Christians and Jews, citing the koran as authority. You are regarded as an heretic and apostate unbeliever and are also subject to religious murder. False religion, false prophet. Wise up, get away from Islam, there is no good in it.

 

[french]

The Qur’an itself is the proof that it is just so extremely unlikely for it to have been inspired by Satan.

Let us examine how much sense (or non-sense) this allegation makes.

If he authored or inspired the Quran, why would Satan curse himself and call himself the worst enemy of man?

(35:6) Verily Satan is an enemy to you: so treat him as an enemy. He only invites his adherents, that they may become Companions of the Blazing Fire.

(36:60) "Did I not enjoin on you, O ye Children of Adam, that ye should not worship Satan; for that he was to you an enemy avowed?-

Why would Satan command that before reciting the Quran, one must first say:

“I seek refuge in God from Satan the accursed.” (Quran 16:98)

How could Satan so vehemently condemn himself? Is it really acceptable to common sense to hold the view that Satan would ask people to do good, to be moral and virtuous, to worship none but God, to not follow Satan or his whispers, and to avoid and struggle against evil?

To hold such a view is clearly repugnant to reason, as Satan has only undermined himself through this means if he is the author. Even the Bible attests:

“And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but is coming to an end.” (Mark 3:26)

This argument applies to any “Satanic forces”, be they “evil spirits”, “deceitful aliens”, etc.

And with regard to the “Satanic verse”, this is no truth to this story whatsoever as the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) never said those verses.

A full explanation of this can be read here.

hamba2han - the satanic verses are written in many islamic traditions. um, sorry, but i trust ibn ishaq over some man from a muslim site in denial!

as for satan and why he would condemn himself - first off, the verses from Mark is quoted by a lot of muslims, that says “how can satan drive out satan?”

the fact of the matter is, is satan CAN’T cast out himself. but when he turns people away from Christ, he ISN’T casting out himself. he’s suceeding in his mission. so therefore, satan ISN’T casting out himself when he turns people from Christ.

i personally believe that mohammad just made the whole thing up i don’t think he was possessed by satan. BUT, he VERY WELL could have been. it wouldn’t contradict Scripture.

 

[kellie]

Hi
I respect you opinion, but your above expression is not correct, needs to be rectified by a little more research. If you have some more time, please access website links I have provided elsewhere today.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

OK I am not an expert in the Koran, but I found this online

The Koran

The Immunity

9.1] (This is a declaration of) immunity by Allah and His Apostle towards those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement.
9.2] So go about in the land for four months and know that you cannot weaken Allah and that Allah will bring disgrace to the unbelievers.
9.3] And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Apostle are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve.
9.4] Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).
9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=282392

I suppose it has been translated wrong from the Arabic hey

 

[kellie]

Hi
I respect you opinion, but your above expression is not correct, needs to be rectified by a little more research. If you have some more time, please access website links I have provided elsewhere today.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

And this from same web site

5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Christians are called to live like Jesus, that is, love one another.

We try and spread the Truth, whilst remaining friends with each other, and praying for the conversion of non-believers.

How can you possibly believe in a book that tells you not to be friends with non-believers?

 

[paarsurrey]

surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Hi
I think here those Jews of the times of Muhammad and Christians of the time of Muhammad are addressed who were unjust in dealings with the Muslims.
I think you are a just Christian, believing in human rights equally for everybody without a bias for faith, religion, race and colour. If you are a just person, the verse is not addressed to you, please be sure.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

 

[kellie]

Hi
I think here those Jews of the times of Muhammad and Christians of the time of Muhammad are addressed who were unjust in dealings with the Muslims.
I think you are a just Christian, believing in human rights equally for everybody without a bias for faith, religion, race and colour. If you are a just person, the verse is not addressed to you, please be sure.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

That doesn’t say anything about that passage.

It clearly says not to be friends with Jews and Christians.

It does not matter what I consider my faith to be.

 

[BelFarfalla]

Hi
I think here those Jews of the times of Muhammad and Christians of the time of Muhammad are addressed who were unjust in dealings with the Muslims.
I think you are a just Christian, believing in human rights equally for everybody without a bias for faith, religion, race and colour. If you are a just person, the verse is not addressed to you, please be sure.
Thanksquote]
That passage has no qualifiers… it refers to all Christians and Jews. This is one of the major issues that Christians have with Islam. It calls us out to be hated, not trusted by all Muslims. It tell Muslims to wage war against us and convert us, subjigate us or kill us. Shri’ah law has put these into law. It has also put into law rules about how Muslims are to humilitate and mistreat non-Muslims who live under their rule. It’s really rather disgusting. Mainsteam Isalm is a system of religious aparthied that sets Muslims in a position of authority to abuse non-Muslims. This was put in place by Muhammad and continues to some degree or another in EVERY muslim country on earth today. There is not one Muslim country that gives total equal rights to non-Muslim. NOT ONE.

 

[hamba2han]

i personally believe that mohammad just made the whole thing up i don’t think he was possessed by satan. BUT, he VERY WELL could have been. it wouldn’t contradict Scripture.

For reasons which I have explained in this thread, it is absolutely not possible for the Qur’an to have been authored by a human being who lived in 7th Century Arabia, especially someone who could neither read nor write.

So then, since it was neither authored by a human nor was it inspired by Satan, then who indeed is the author of the Qur’an?

There can be only one answer to this question and if people are brave and honest enough to confront their own feelings on this matter, then they will know what the answer is.

 

[BelFarfalla]

For reasons which I have explained in this thread, it is absolutely not possible for the Qur’an to have been authored by a human being who lived in 7th Century Arabia, especially someone who could neither read nor write.

So then, since it was neither authored by a human nor was it inspired by Satan, then who indeed is the author of the Qur’an?

There can be only one answer to this question and if people are brave and honest enough to confront their own feelings on this matter, then they will know what the answer is.

Muhammad did not write the Qur’an. It was written by learned men after him who took into account the things people recalled about Muhammad. So his lack of formal education is of no consequence.

As for the link you gave to some post of yours… the post brings up a challenge in he Qur’an for anyone to find even one mistake in it because the lack of error is supposed to be proof that the Qur’an is from God.

Well here let me help out….

Samples of Quranic Contradictions, Inconsistencies and Errors.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/SKM/contradictions.htm

 

[exoflare]

Muhammad did not write the Qur’an. It was written by learned men after him who took into account the things people recalled about Muhammad. So his lack of formal education is of no consequence.

I’m amazed how often Muslims keep bringing this up! It’s been mentioned so many times before, and yet they keep mentioning his alleged illiteracy as if it were proof of anything.

 

[BelFarfalla]

I’m amazed how often Muslims keep bringing this up! It’s been mentioned so many times before, and yet they keep mentioning his alleged illiteracy as if it were proof of anything.

They are basically saying that he was an uneducated dunderhead who miraculously wrote this great piece of literature. Muhammad was neither a dunderhead nor the author of the Qur’an. He was very intelligent and apparently charismatic. He knew how to manipulate people for his own gain.

 

[Verisimilitude]

He was very intelligent and apparently charismatic. He knew how to manipulate people for his own gain.

True, Like a Jim Jones on steroids, or a festering wound left unchecked.

The best explaination for the success of Mohamet was that the pagan culture of the Arabs had no particular establishment of authority to counter an organized threat- particularly one that came from within. The Meccans were polythesitic and quite relaxed about other faiths.

Unlike the highly organized Jewish and Roman authorites that confronted Christ (the US agaisnt Jim Jones, David Koresh…), no such organization was there to confront Muhammed. The key piece of Muhammeds success was the radical societal change he brought to the nomads, where he broke the traditional family oriented cohesiveness, and made religious affiliation paramount.

The division Christ spoke of is very different from that of Mohammad. Christ said a belief in Him would cause the division in families, Mohamet said anyone not of this new belief was reason to make the division. The “no compulsion in religion” mantra was pre-flight Medina when he had to coexist with other faiths, but then when he became dominate this mantra changed to “fight until there is no more disbelief in the cause of allah”.

Marrying his adoptive sons wife, as well as the very young Aisha were problematic for him- as it went against the cultural norms of the day, but because the people were convinced that he spoke for god, they changed these cultural norms that we still see today, which common sense even for Muslims still have problems with.

 

[french]

For reasons which I have explained in this thread, it is absolutely not possible for the Qur’an to have been authored by a human being who lived in 7th Century Arabia, especially someone who could neither read nor write.

So then, since it was neither authored by a human nor was it inspired by Satan, then who indeed is the author of the Qur’an?

There can be only one answer to this question and if people are brave and honest enough to confront their own feelings on this matter, then they will know what the answer is.

i just read that thread. you basically quote a verse from the quran that is like a test to see if it’s the truth.

well, let me tell you something.

in the Bible, there are MANY times when it tells you to test the truth. Jesus said “Know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free”, in Pauls writings, I know that He once mentioned something similar to that, that was in the quran.

now, by your standards, the Bible is corrupt. so, if the Bible isn’t from God… it still has these challenges in it!! oh!!! it has to be from God!!

you see… your argument is baseless.

not to mention that there are challenges of the like in other religious texts… take the Book of Mormon… they have what’s called a “Moroni Challenge.”

before someone converts to Mormonism, they have to use “the Moroni Challenge.” the moroni challenge tells you to pray, and God will take you to the truth. so before someone converts to mormonism, they spend hours upon hours of praying. of course, Moshe talks about such, and we know from Deuteronomy that these prayer challenges mean nothng.

Baha’is also have an “inependent investigation of truth” - this is where they are to independently investigate religions, to see before they become Baha’i.

Wiccans have the “year and a day” thing… where before you become wiccan, you study religion for one year and one day.

so, should you become a mormon? because their religion has such claims.

how about a Baha’i? or a Wiccan?

and, the quran is full of “disrepcencies!” saying that the Virgin Mary’s father was imram, and her brother was aaron.

sorry, but mr. mohammad got his facts wrong. he mixed up our Blessed Mother with Mariam, some other person in the Bible!

it really does show how illeterate he was!