Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

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hamba2han said:
For those who wish to learn the story of how Islam began and why it became so readily accepted and spread so rapidly throughout all of Arabia and eventually the lands beyond, here is a short animated movie which does a fairly decent job of explaining how the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) brought this divine Message to all of humankind.
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Does it explain how Mohammed the caravan-robbing child molester spread his false “religion” by murder, rape and the sword to the unwilling people of the Middle East and how this religion of murder and oppression plans the same thing for the world’s Christians and Jews, unless we stamp it out?
 
hosemonkey said:
Does it explain how Mohammed the caravan-robbing child molester spread his false “religion” by murder, rape and the sword to the unwilling people of the Middle East and how this religion of murder and oppression plans the same thing for the world’s Christians and Jews, unless we stamp it out?
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I’ve heard that Moslems hate Bah’i’s even more than they hate Christians. Glad I’m Catholic.
 
Why does anyone need to watch a movie? And why does everyone say Peace Be Upon Him whenever they say his name? Isn’t Mohammed in heaven now? Isn’t it redundant to say such a thing?
 
Look, im probably going to get shot down in flames for saying this, but this thought did cross my mind.
I know Muhammed is no prophet and the quran is just fables he made up, but the religion Islam isnt all that bad.
At least they pray to God. And I think as long as they pray to God, that is a good thing. They show a lot of compassion to God, no matter where they are, what they are doing, when it comes to prayer time, they will drop everything in pray. I really admire them for that.
But that is as far as it goes that makes it a good religion. Anyone that reduces Jesus to a prophet makes me sick…
Im just one of those people that likes to look for good in everything, and thats what i found good about Islam.
God bless everyone
 
pprimeau1976 said:
Why does anyone need to watch a movie? And why does everyone say Peace Be Upon Him whenever they say his name? Isn’t Mohammed in heaven now? Isn’t it redundant to say such a thing?
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Heaven? I’m willing to bet that Mohammed is stoking the boilers in the engine-rooms of Hell. And if he’s not stoking, he’s at least Chief of the Watch.
 
hamba2han said:
Gabriel (as) did identify himself during the first encounter with Muhammad (pbuh) at the cave of Hira and if you had watched the movie, then you would already know this.

And God did indeed spoke directly to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) during the event known as Isra and Mi’raj (Night Journey) when he ascended to the Heavens.
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Why doesn’t the Koran say it was Gabriel? Muhammed’s first reaction was to throw himself off the mountain and kill himself before he ran home and hid under his wife’s skirt. The person who allegedly put the name of Gabriel to that spirit was Waraqa B. Naufal Cousin of Khadija, Muhammad’s first wife: not the spirit itself. But you already know this don’t you?

Yes, the night journey where he spoke of a arriving caravan he saw on the way back to Mecca as the only proof that he actually left Mekka and visited Jerusalem. That is like predicting a car arriving at a gas station.

hamba2han, I accept Mohamet had a spiritual visitor at Hira, and that at times over the next few years he had a few more visions from that spirit who told him things. In fact, I would wager that that spirit never showed up again after he fled to Yathrib.

What I do not accept is the spirit that asked an illiterate to read, was there by Gods authority. I do not accept that all revelations as noted in the Qur’an were revealed by that spirit, but that after a short while Mohammad made up most of them himself, which is evident if you look at how and when many of them come about.
 
Kadaveri said:
So much for being charitable…
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I do not extend charity to a false religion whose stated objective is either kill me or convert me. You have declared yourself a sworn enemy of Christians and Jews.
 
hosemonkey said:
I do not extend charity to a false religion whose stated objective is either kill me or convert me. You have declared yourself a sworn enemy of Christians and Jews.
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Haven’t you heard? Charity means being a doormat. :rolleyes:
 
hosemonkey said:
I do not extend charity to a false religion whose stated objective is either kill me or convert me. You have declared yourself a sworn enemy of Christians and Jews.
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Hi
Has kadaveri declared himself a sworn enemy of Christians and Jews? If yes; on what basis?
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi
Has kadaveri declared himself a sworn enemy of Christians and Jews? If yes; on what basis?
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
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Being Muslim means you are a sworn enemy of Christians and Jews, as the quran teaches to kill all non-believers.

Christians are non-believers according to Islam, as we believe Jesus IS God.
 
kellie said:
Being Muslim means you are a sworn enemy of Christians and Jews, as the quran teaches to kill all non-believers.
Christians are non-believers according to Islam, as we believe Jesus IS God.
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Hi
That is not correct. Muhammad/Quran/Islam were/are peaceful. I copy here one of my posts in this forum, please make a little research.
After when GodAllahYHWH appointed Muhammad SAW KhatamunNabiyyeen, a ProphetMessenger at the age of forty, he lived for twenty three years. He spent thirteen years in Mecca and the rest in Madina.
First we take 13 years he spent in Mecca, during these years:
  1. Please mention name of just one person whom Muhammad converted to the fold of Islam by sword. Please present evidence from Quran.
  2. Please mention name of one person whom Muhammad killed in these 13 years for no accepting Islam. Please present evidence from Quran.
  3. Please mention name of one person who wanted to go back from Islam to his previous faith or another faith and Muhammad denied him his right and whom Muhammad killed for apostasy in these 13 years. Please present evidence from Quran
    There is not a single case in all these categories
    Thanks
    I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
    The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi
That is not correct. Muhammad/Quran/Islam were/are peaceful. I copy here one of my posts in this forum, please make a little research.
After when GodAllahYHWH appointed Muhammad SAW KhatamunNabiyyeen, a ProphetMessenger at the age of forty, he lived for twenty three years. He spent thirteen years in Mecca and the rest in Madina.
First we take 13 years he spent in Mecca, during these years:
  1. Please mention name of just one person whom Muhammad converted to the fold of Islam by sword. Please present evidence from Quran.
  2. Please mention name of one person whom Muhammad killed in these 13 years for no accepting Islam. Please present evidence from Quran.
  3. Please mention name of one person who wanted to go back from Islam to his previous faith or another faith and Muhammad denied him his right and whom Muhammad killed for apostasy in these 13 years. Please present evidence from Quran
    There is not a single case in all these categories
    Thanks
    I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
    The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
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Before I do the research- If names can be found would it make an impact on you and your faith?

Are you limiting these conditions to pre-flight to Medina where he was not the dominate force, or post-flight when he became a military as well as a civil authority in addition to religious authority?
 
Verisimilitude said:
Before I do the research- If names can be found would it make an impact on you and your faith?

Are you limiting these conditions to pre-flight to Medina where he was not the dominate force, or post-flight when he became a military as well as a civil authority in addition to religious authority?
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**paarsurrey specifically ignores the Hadith which are also considered important in Islam. Many of the tenents of Islam, such as the execution of apostates, come from the Hadith, not the Qur’an. **

The Qur’an and Hadiths do not tell of Muhammad directly killing anyone with his own hand. Instead he ordered many assassinations, attacks/battles, and executions. So others did the dirty work for him. I guess this is supposed to make him not culpable for the deaths. Using this logic, Hitler was an innocent man.

**So paarsurrey may be technically correct that the Qur’an does tell of Muhammad himself killing anyone. **
 
BelFarfalla said:
**paarsurrey specifically ignores the Hadith which are also considered important in Islam. Many of the tenents of Islam, such as the execution of apostates, come from the Hadith, not the Qur’an. **

The Qur’an and Hadiths do not tell of Muhammad directly killing anyone with his own hand. Instead he ordered many assassinations, attacks/battles, and executions. So others did the dirty work for him. I guess this is supposed to make him not culpable for the deaths. Using this logic, Hitler was an innocent man.

**So paarsurrey may be technically correct that the Qur’an does tell of Muhammad himself killing anyone. **
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Axctually i bleive he said Mohamed did not kill anyone for the 13 years he was in Mecca.
 
estesbob said:
Axctually i bleive he said Mohamed did not kill anyone for the 13 years he was in Mecca.
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Yea, he said to start with the first 13 years in Mecca. So I assume that next will come the Medina years and then the years after he returned and took control of Mecca.

In those 13 years he had a whopping 15 followers. It was not until he moved to Medina that he had followers who would follow his orders to kill people. He did have people executed once he returned to Mecca.
 
BelFarfalla said:
Yea, he said to start with the first 13 years in Mecca. So I assume that next will come the Medina years and then the years after he returned and took control of Mecca.

In those 13 years he had a whopping 15 followers. It was not until he moved to Medina that he had followers who would follow his orders to kill people. He did have people executed once he returned to Mecca.
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He also limited it to the Koran. It is an argument that can never be won becuase he nhas set up such limitations that it is impossible to refute his premise. OTH we know that mohammed became the Leader of a huge army that raped and pillaged its way across the Middle East.
 
BelFarfalla said:
**paarsurrey specifically ignores the Hadith which are also considered important in Islam. Many of the tenents of Islam, such as the execution of apostates, come from the Hadith, not the Qur’an. **
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Hi
Hadith was collected after 250/300 years after the death of Muhammad, so the events recorded in Quran should form the basis of any important discussion.
Hadith is only to be believed reliable if it conforms the Quran, otherwise not, so again the real source would be Quran.
Sunni sources of Hadith are not accepted by the Shia, and Shia sources of Hadith are not accepted by the Sunnis, but Quran is the same for both Sunnis and Shias. So , Quran is the real basis for any worhtwhile discussion.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
 
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