Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

[BelFarfalla]

Its really simple.

from the beginning of Human existence God has always been a One God, not 2 or 3. So He sent us prophets to guide us to the truth, and every time people deviated from the truth, He sent other prophets to bring them the same message. Paul was so eager to have the romans accept Jesus’s message of monotheism that he introduced all sorts of Pagan ideologies into original christianity

• The cross is a roman symbol as romans often crucified people
• The romans made human sacrifices as part of their ancient tradition
• The romans believed that God has children.
• the roman pagan festivals are in the winter (december 25th)

Are all of these mere coincidences?? or did Paul really try to win over the romans to his version of christianity by including many of the pagan practices romans already practice.

God sees all of this perversion and again sends another prophet, this time Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to bring people back to the original message of Monotheism that God is one not two or three and he doesn’t have children.

What do you think that Roman pagans only had festivals in the winter? NO, they had festivals all year long. So just about any day that is choosen would fall on or near some pagan festival. Ramadan does you know… it is an old pagan religious obligation taken over my Muslims. The Mosque in Mecca used to be a pagan temple. The big black rock was worshiped as a god.

And I’m sure that YOU were there with Paul and he told you all of HIS motives.

If God had sent a new prophet to bring people back to the faith, wouldn’t he have sent them to the people who already believed in him… not to pagans who knew nothing of him?

Nice view of God, just turns his back on people who are lost.

 

[famdigy]

Christians have never believed in more than one God… and we have never believed Mary is a goddess, just like Jews have never believed Ezra is the Son of God, nor has the apostle St. Paul ever preached to the Romans… he was brought to Rome for his execution… nor did St. Paul the apostle author any of the gospels, nor does the quran even claim as much (this is something muslims have invented… along with ‘tawhid’ a nonsensical term neither found nor defined in the quran).

or are these plaguerisms by mohamed ‘coincidences?’ now you see how ‘truth stands clear from falsehood.’

may God guide you

thanks for the prayer Jayda I appreciate it, may God guide you as well. you may not call them “jinn” but you do believe in ghosts don’t you? We believe there exists an unseen world hidden from our eyes, Just like satan, you don’t see him but he exists here on earth tempting and misleading us, how is this a pagan belief?

what exactly are you referring to by “plaguerism”, please elaborate which idea exactly was plaugarised from what religion? when did it happen? and at what point of his life? did he plagurise it from a written record or did he meet people who told him of these ideas, if he met them then who are these people, what are their names and where did they come from? No sorry I don’t see how the truth stands clear from falsehood, because you haven’t demonstrated it

the word tawhid is not found in the Quran but the concept is very clear, He is one God, he does not have children, nor a wife nor is he divided into 3. He has no partners to share his kingdom, and and Internally He is free of any dependence from anything and any one. In other words, the Jesus whom you call god in human form is not independent at all, like any other human he is dependent on his lungs to breath, his heart to transport blood etc… He is made up of body parts and organs that are dependent on each other for life. The real true God is free from these dependencies. He is not made up of body parts or components. Both internally and externally he is One being. This is ‘tawhid’.

your st.paul was the one who

• made men eat pork
• made sunday a sabath instead of saturday
• challenged the diciples
• let the forskin on the penis
• invented the trinity
• blasphemied
• took himself as a prophet

Your not following true christianity at all, in fact you are following paul’s deviant teachings.

 

[Jayda]

thanks for the prayer Jayda I appreciate it, may God guide you as well. you may not call them “jinn” but you do believe in ghosts don’t you? We believe there exists an unseen world hidden from our eyes, Just like satan, you don’t see him but he exists here on earth tempting and misleading us, how is this a pagan belief?

hola famdigy

unless your point was simply to say ‘there are more things in heaven and earth horatio’ of course i do not believe in ‘ghosts,’ that is a pagan belief (that again is found in islam). God gives men souls so that they may serve him and when they die they depart from this world and are judged in the next… God does not let people die so that their souls can walk the earth with no purpose.

the only ‘Ghost’ in the Catholic faith is the Holy Spirit, sometimes called ‘Ghost’ because it is another translation of the latin word ‘spiritu’

i do not believe in ghosts, vampires, werewolves, mermaids or jinn.

God created no jinn, pagan arabs did.

what exactly are you referring to by “plaguerism”, please elaborate which idea exactly was plaugarised from what religion? when did it happen? and at what point of his life? did he plagurise it from a written record or did he meet people who told him of these ideas, if he met them then who are these people, what are their names and where did they come from? No sorry I don’t see how the truth stands clear from falsehood, because you haven’t demonstrated it

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie

“Genie is the English term for the Arabic جن (jinn). In pre-Islamic Arabian mythology and in Islam, a jinni (also “djinni” or “djini”) is a member of the jinn (or “djinn”), a race of supernatural creatures. The word “jinn” literally means anything which has the connotation of concealment, invisibility, seclusion, and remoteness”

it is an idea that comes from pagan arab beliefs, and nowhere else, since mohamed is not the original author… his pagan ancestors were… he plaguerised it.

i have no need to show you some exact text at a specific period in time, you certainly have done no such thing concerning your accusations against Apostle St. Paul.

the word tawhid is not found in the Quran but the concept is very clear, He is one God, he does not have children, nor a wife nor is he divided into 3. He has no partners to share his kingdom, and and Internally He is free of any dependence from anything and any one.

the concept is very clear if you are a salafi… since you gave the salafi definition but as you can see sunnis salafis and shias have far different definitions…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawhid

some criteria go as high as seven. you cannot even agree upon what tawhid means.

In other words, the Jesus whom you call god in human form is not independent at all, like any other human he is dependent on his lungs to breath, his heart to transport blood etc… He is made up of body parts and organs that are dependent on each other for life. The real true God is free from these dependencies. He is not made up of body parts or components. Both internally and externally he is One being. This is ‘tawhid’.

which is a direct contradiction of scripture. God is all powerful and all merciful, and that is why he made himself a man and that is why he could make himself a man… the theories of mohamed do not allow God to be all powerful… instead He is like zeus, a singular entity in a singular place and time incapable of doing as He pleases.

since scripture does not support this it is consequently the reason the quran does not confirm… but instead denies scripture.

your st.paul was the one who

• made men eat pork
• made sunday a sabath instead of saturday
• challenged the diciples
• let the forskin on the penis
• invented the trinity
• blasphemied
• took himself as a prophet

Your not following true christianity at all, in fact you are following paul’s deviant teachings.

actually the Jews were the first to allow gentiles to not follow the circumcision laws (it is not part of the noahide covenant), find me anywhere the Apostle says he is a ‘prophet’ find me anywhere the Apostle provides a trinity doctrine, find me anywhere the Apostle blasphemed, Saturday is still the Sabbath (not Friday), Sunday is the Lord’s Day (two different things) which is why in Christian societies both days are taken off, Jesus was the one who let go of the dietary laws, and the disciples convened with Paul at the Council of Jerusalem and sanctioned his teachings, including the Holy Father St. Peter.

learn more about Christianity instead of reciting the tired words of ahmed deedat.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[thistle]

Yes, the messenger of Allah did not write in public, because he used to dictate writing. However, this does not mean that he did not know how to write. It is also true that the Prophet was “Ummi”, but this does not necessarily mean he did not know how to read and write. It rather means that Prophet did not have any human teacher to teach him how to read and write since the time he was born to his mother (“Ummi” derived from “Umm” meaning mother). His only teacher was Allah. And this is why Quran is a true miracle from a person who did not have a teacher and he who did not go to school. I would say, clearing doubt about the Quran as God’s revelation was the only reason that the Messenger of Allah was not ordered attempt to write in public or claim as such.

The Koran is not a miracle. Its a book full of lies. It denies the divinity of Jesus, for example.

 

[paarsurrey]

It denies the divinity of Jesus, for example.

Hi
but with reasons and arguments, that couldn’t be denied.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
GodAllahYHWH is All-Knowing; one should invariably give Claim and Reason on all important issues from one’s Revealed Book; one shouldn’t try putting one’s own words into God’s mouth.

 

[Booklover]

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mohamed is nothing more than a copy of mani… claiming to be a ‘final prophet’ and writing himself into the margins of scripture when he is neither prophesied not expected at any time in history. he mixed manichaeism, zoroastrianism, heretical christianity, judaism and indigenous pagan arabic beliefs and came up with islam. that is why you believe in pagan arab ideas like ‘jinn,’ that is why you believe the pagan manichaenian idea that God would abandon his revelation to corruption and ‘end it’ with a ‘final prophet,’ that is why you believe in 5th century arabic gospel forgery stories like Jesus turning clay into birds and that is why mohamed is not a prophet. and you have no answers for any of this, because you lack guidance from God.

or are these plaguerisms by mohamed ‘coincidences?’ now you see how ‘truth stands clear from falsehood.’

may God guide you

Muhammad copied Mani just as you state. Here’s the link to a thread I started about this.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=118476

Vickie

 

[thistle]

Hi
but with reasons and arguments, that couldn’t be denied.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
GodAllahYHWH is All-Knowing; one should invariably give Claim and Reason on all important issues from one’s Revealed Book; one shouldn’t try putting one’s own words into God’s mouth.

Lies have reasons which cannot be denied. That’s a new one. Do tell us what they are.

 

[famdigy]

hola famdigy

unless your point was simply to say ‘there are more things in heaven and earth horatio’ of course i do not believe in ‘ghosts,’ that is a pagan belief (that again is found in islam). God gives men souls so that they may serve him and when they die they depart from this world and are judged in the next… God does not let people die so that their souls can walk the earth with no purpose.

the only ‘Ghost’ in the Catholic faith is the Holy Spirit, sometimes called ‘Ghost’ because it is another translation of the latin word ‘spiritu’

Jayda when the church sends a priest to exorcise a haunted house, what specifically are they exorcising?

 

[Jayda]

Jayda when the church sends a priest to exorcise a haunted house, what specifically are they exorcising?

hola famdigy

there are no haunted houses so priests do not go to haunted houses, that is only in fictional scary movies.

however if you are trying to say the jinn are the same as demons you are trying to make a false equivocation. satan or his servants, the rebel angels can be exorcised if they possess a person. this is not even remotely the same as a jinn, nor is it the same as a ghost.

sammael and his servants were angels, who rebelled against God and were cast out from Him. they were not creatures made out of fire, they never had free will, they are inherently evil, there is no possibility for a ‘good’ or ‘obedient’ demon, they do not form societies, and they did not have prophets speak to them.

they were not ‘once human,’ they are not ‘stuck on earth to complete business,’ they do not torment danish princes and are not played by patrick swayze.

they are not jinn or ghosts by any stretch of the imagination.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[famdigy]

hola famdigy

you are trying to make a false equivocation. satan or his servants, the rebel angels can be exorcised if they possess a person. this is not even remotely the same as a jinn, nor is it the same as a ghost.

satan and his servants were angels, who rebelled against God

We don’t believe the Angels have the capacity to rebel, in islamic thought the Angels are pure and do not posess free will. They only perform the tasks which they are created for. Satan by the way is of the jinn, a creature of impulse. He used to worship God (not jesus) in the company of the Angels until he Rebelled in pride by not prostrating to Adam and was kicked out of Heaven as a result.

 

[Jayda]

We don’t believe the Angels have the capacity to rebel, in islamic thought the Angels are pure and do not posess free will. They only perform the tasks which they are created for. Satan by the way is of the jinn, a creature of impulse. He used to worship God (not jesus) in the company of the Angels until he Rebelled in pride by not prostrating to Adam and was kicked out of Heaven as a result.

hola famdigy

gracias as you can cleary see a jinn and an angel/fallen angel are not the same thing. so as i was saying before there is no such thing as a jinn except in pagan arabic beliefs, which mohamed plaguerised for the benefit of attracting arab believers. moses would have no idea what a jinn was.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[famdigy]

hola famdigy

unless your point was simply to say ‘there are more things in heaven and earth horatio’ of course i do not believe in ‘ghosts,’ that is a pagan belief (that again is found in islam). God gives men souls so that they may serve him and when they die they depart from this world and are judged in the next… God does not let people die so that their souls can walk the earth with no purpose.

the only ‘Ghost’ in the Catholic faith is the Holy Spirit, sometimes called ‘Ghost’ because it is another translation of the latin word ‘spiritu’

Jayda when the church sends a priest to exorcise a haunted house, what specifically are they exorcising?

the concept is very clear if you are a salafi… since you gave the salafi definition but as you can see sunnis salafis and shias have far different definitions…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawhid

some criteria go as high as seven. you cannot even agree upon what tawhid means.

nope, not salafi. The salafi believe in anthropomorphism of God, they believe he has a Physical form, hands, feet and face although not like ours. Their belief of God is more in common with Christians than mainstream sunnis or shias.

which is a direct contradiction of scripture. God is all powerful and all merciful, and that is why he made himself a man and that is why he could make himself a man… the theories of mohamed do not allow God to be all powerful… instead He is like zeus, a singular entity in a singular place and time incapable of doing as He pleases.

The scripture is in direct contradiction to logic and common sense. An independent being is always superior to a dependent being, one who is free of need is superior to one who is in need. This is where you fall short, unable to adequately explain divinity of jesus or trinity you resort to faith, just because it is in scripture it must be true, thats not a very convincing argument.

Jayda, you are the one who asserts he is in a singular place in a singular time. The perfect definition of Tawhid is also given in Imam Ali’s first sermon.

The foremost in religion is the acknowledgement of Him, the perfection of acknowledging Him is to testify Him, the perfection of testifying Him is to believe in His Oneness, the perfection of believing in His Oneness is to regard Him Pure, and the perfection of His purity is to deny Him attributes, because every attribute is a proof that it is different from that to which it is attributed and everything to which something is attributed is different from the attribute. Thus whoever attaches attributes to Allah recognises His like, and who recognises His like regards Him two; and who regards Him two recognises parts for Him; and who recognises parts for Him mistook Him; and who mistook Him pointed at Him; and who pointed at Him admitted limitations for Him; and who admitted limitations for Him numbered Him.

Whoever said in what is He, held that He is contained; and whoever said on what is He held He is not on something else. He is a Being but not through phenomenon of coming into being. He exists but not from non-existence. He is with everything but not in physical nearness. He is different from everything but not in physical separation. He acts but without connotation of movements and instruments. He sees even when there is none to be looked at from among His creation. He is only One, such that there is none with whom He may keep company or whom He may miss in his absence.

al-islam.org/nahjul/1.htm

 

[famdigy]

hola famdigy

gracias as you can cleary see a jinn and an angel/fallen angel are not the same thing. so as i was saying before there is no such thing as a jinn except in pagan arabic beliefs, which mohamed plaguerised for the benefit of attracting arab believers. moses would have no idea what a jinn was.

que Dios te bendiga

you are arguing a moot point here. You can not prove to me there are such things as fallen angels just as I can’t prove to you Angels do not fall, so your entire point about Jinn and fallen angels is a matter of belief that can not be proven one way or another.

the church exorcises fallen angels you say well Angels don’t fall period because they don’t have a free will of their own, they don’t rebel and thats not something I can prove to you or ague about, its what I believe unless of course you show me the bible is the word of God

 

[Jayda]

Jayda when the church sends a priest to exorcise a haunted house, what specifically are they exorcising?

hola famdigy,

i told you before… there are no haunted houses and priests do not exorcise them, please separate fact from fictional scary movies.

nope, not salafi. The salafi believe in anthropomorphism of God, they believe he has a Physical form, hands, feet and face although not like ours. Their belief of God is more in common with Christians than mainstream sunnis or shias.

your definitions of tawhid are even more different than I thought… this only reinforces my point. tawhid is nothing, it is a word with so many meanings it therefore has no meaning.

The scripture is in direct contradiction to logic and common sense. An independent being is always superior to a dependent being, one who is free of need is superior to one who is in need. This is where you fall short, unable to adequately explain divinity of jesus or trinity you resort to faith, just because it is in scripture it must be true, thats not a very convincing argument.

Catholics believe God is whatever He wants to be… He is not limited by a human’s incapacity to perfectly understand His nature beyond what He chooses to reveal to us. God tells us He is triune and that He made Himself a man… fully human and fully divine. it is not my place to call Him a liar.

Jayda, you are the one who asserts he is in a singular place in a singular time. The perfect definition of Tawhid is also given in Imam Ali’s first sermon.

i believe God is capable of being the Word incarnate in the world, the Word as a Spirit in all mens hearts and the Father in Heaven all at the same time… without believing Him to be three separate deities and without telling Him He cannot do that because it would make Him three deities.

Tawhid forbids this belief, and therefore limits Him… it does not even allow the possibility that God is capable of such a thing.

Because we are incapable of it, no human could truly comprehend such unity… so muslims impose their own human weakness on God.

al-islam.org/nahjul/1.htm

Ali contradicts himself and reason, he asserts that God is one physical creature in one place at one time, and cannot possibly be triune. this is itself the imposition of an attribute… which he says one must not do.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[Jayda]

you are arguing a moot point here. You can not prove to me there are such things as fallen angels just as I can’t prove to you Angels do not fall, so your entire point about Jinn and fallen angels is a matter of belief that can not be proven one way or another.

but i can prove that the revelations of God and those who followed them have believed in the existance of fallen angels since before recorded time… whereas you can only show me that pagan arabs have believed in jinn before islam. that is strong evidence it is a pagan belief incorporated into the new arabic religion for the benefit of attracting pagans.

the church exorcises fallen angels you say well Angels don’t fall period because they don’t have a free will of their own, they don’t rebel and thats not something I can prove to you or ague about, its what I believe unless of course you show me the bible is the word of God

they do not have free will, that is why they were immediately cast into hell (forever) for rebelling. you do not accept the Christ, yet you have not found yourself immediately cast into hell and your atonement is as simple as a confession before God should you choose to accept it. that is because you have free will, God gave you the ability to choose, and the time to make that choice meaningful.

but this argument about proving the existance of angels or fallen angels is a strawman. fallen angels and angels are a belief that existed in monotheism since before recorded time… jinns are not.

this is a very simple concept, if i went back in time and told Moses i was possessed by a demon or a fallen angel, he would know what i speak about… if i said it was a jinn, he would not have any idea.

however (this is the most important thing) if i went back in time and asked a pagan arab if they knew what a jinn was… they would tell me they knew about them.

this belief in jinns, like the belief in a ‘final prophet’ is a pagan belief that mohamed used when he created his new religion.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[famdigy]

OK jayda i will separate fact from fiction. The film “The Exorcism of Emily Rose” was based on a true story of a German woman Anneliese Michel. Why did The Catholic Church, authorized the exorcism if haunted houses don’t exist and churches don’t exorcise them as you claim??

 

[Jayda]

OK jayda i will separate fact from fiction. The film “The Exorcism of Emily Rose” was based on a true story of a German woman Anneliese Michel. Why did The Catholic Church, authorized the exorcism if haunted houses don’t exist and churches don’t exorcise them as you claim??

hola famdigy,

please stop referring to movies…

as i explained before there are no haunted houses, no ghosts and no jinns.

exorcism is when a demon (fallen angel) or satan himself possesses a person. the priest orders the demon out of the person in the name of God and the possessed person must use their faith to fight the demon.

it is extremely rare, a full medical and psychiatric examination takes place to eliminate all possible mental or physical reasons for whatever is ailing the person… then the Church investigates, it looks for certain criteria, if the criteria are met an exorcism may be granted. it is not disclosed when one occurs and it is not advertised as to what happens… there is too much sensationalism in the world for that.

as i explained before we believe in demons, but we have already determined they are not even remotely the same as genies or ghosts.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[mirandajb]

Ugh… please don’t muddy the water with this “Bible Code” stuff… :banghead:

…then you haven’t read it. It authenticates the word of God in the Torah. Read it before passing judgment. God bless.

 

[chet]

Allah?

Exodus 3:14-15 God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you ’ This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.

biblegateway.com

But isn’t He the God of Mohammad?

 

[paarsurrey]

Quote:
Originally Posted by **thistle **
It denies the divinity of Jesus, for example.
Paarsurrey:
Hi
but with reasons and arguments, that couldn’t be denied.
Thanks

;2340173]Do tell us what they are.

Hi
Thanks for asking; for Ahmadia Articles of Faith, the first one , please access:THE BELIEF IN THE
UNITY OF GOD
alislam.org/books/study-of-islam/unity.html
Thanks