Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

[Booklover]

See this link for the refutation of Muhammad’s miracles!

Vickie

 

[Khalfan]

See this link for the refutation of Muhammad’s miracles!

Vickie

Fantastic link, but make no sense. Becasue God said, Quran itself is a sign for those men of understanding. The world around you is another sign for those men of understanding. Many miracles that happened to prophets are reported in Quran by God. God himself did seperate moon as a sign and it is mentioned in Quran. Quran was not only a sign for them but us as well. Check this.

 

[Khalfan]

It just authenticates that Muhammad was the writer, nothing else! Knowing the author, does not make the book true or prove that it came from God!

Vickie

That is the only thing that was to be agreed. Because the world already knows, Mohamed (pbuh) was an uneducated illiterate.

 

[Khalfan]

Show us where Muhammad acknowledged any of those miracles!

Vickie

Read the posts 808 onwards once again. Its not only that he acknowledges but many eyewitnesses reports it in Saheeh Hadees.

 

[Khalfan]

All very interesting, but where in the Bible does it say they slept with them?? Also my Bible doesn’t give the age of the females in verse 40. I am assuming you added that to make it look like it’s part of the Bible.

Deos the Bible say everything in the history? No. It doesn’t say they slept but it is what to understand by the command to keep virgin girls. Why they killed married womans? Why they killed small boys?

There is no age in the verse 40, but the strangest verse in the Bible, God got 32 virgin girls as his share of war!!!. For what?

I don’t have to make anything look like part of Bible. Yuo are doing it enough in your Bible. Do you want example?

Check below.

Luke 3:23
Parallel Translations
Concordance Entries Age Beginning Eli Heli Joseph Ministry Seemed Supposed Teach Thirty​

NASB: When He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, being, as was supposed, the son of Joseph, the son of Eli, (NASB ©1995)​

GWT: Jesus was about 30 years old when he began [his ministry]. Jesus, so people thought, was the son of Joseph, son of Eli, (GOD’S WORD®)​

KJV: And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,​

ASV: And Jesus himself, when he began to teach , was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the’son of Heli,​

BBE: And Jesus at this time was about thirty years old, being the son (as it seemed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,​

DBY: And Jesus himself was beginning to be about thirty years old; being as was supposed son of Joseph; of Eli,​

WEY: And He–Jesus–when He began His ministry, was about thirty years old. He was the son (it was supposed)​

WBS: And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, who was the son of Heli,​

WEB: Jesus himself, when he began to teach, was about thirty years old, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,​

YLT: And Jesus himself was beginning to be about thirty years of age, being, as was supposed, son of Joseph,

In some version you find bracket for AS WAS SUPPOSED as it is by the translator, but in some it is not there as it is by the original writer.

Since you cannot prove it with any book, chapter and verse from the Bible, and have to rely on an anti-christian website, we should assume you can’t answer it.

Ha… Ha… My dear OT is from jewish law. If you don’t find anything in Bible that is there in Jewish law, It is clear that it was excluded by some. Doesn’t matter who quote it. Each and every allegation you made against Islam is from anti-Islamic sites. right?

 

[Khalfan]

All very interesting, but where in the Bible does it say they slept with them?? Also my Bible doesn’t give the age of the females in verse 40. I am assuming you added that to make it look like it’s part of the Bible.

Deos the Bible say everything in the history? No. It doesn’t say they slept but it is what to understand by the command to keep virgin girls. Why they killed married womans? Why they killed small boys?

There is no age in the verse 40, but the strangest verse in the Bible, God got 32 virgin girls as his share of war!!!. For what?

I don’t have to make anything look like part of Bible. Yuo are doing it enough in your Bible. Do you want example?

Check below.

Luke 3:23
Parallel Translations
Concordance Entries Age Beginning Eli Heli Joseph Ministry Seemed Supposed Teach Thirty​

NASB: When He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, being, as was supposed, the son of Joseph, the son of Eli, (NASB ©1995)​

GWT: Jesus was about 30 years old when he began [his ministry]. Jesus, so people thought, was the son of Joseph, son of Eli, (GOD’S WORD®)​

KJV: And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,​

ASV: And Jesus himself, when he began to teach , was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the’son of Heli,​

BBE: And Jesus at this time was about thirty years old, being the son (as it seemed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,​

DBY: And Jesus himself was beginning to be about thirty years old; being as was supposed son of Joseph; of Eli,​

WEY: And He–Jesus–when He began His ministry, was about thirty years old. He was the son (it was supposed)​

WBS: And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, who was the son of Heli,​

WEB: Jesus himself, when he began to teach, was about thirty years old, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,​

YLT: And Jesus himself was beginning to be about thirty years of age, being, as was supposed, son of Joseph,

In some version you find bracket for AS WAS SUPPOSED as it is by the translator, but in some it is not there as it is by the original writer.

Since you cannot prove it with any book, chapter and verse from the Bible, and have to rely on an anti-christian website, we should assume you can’t answer it.

Ha… Ha… My dear OT is from jewish law. If you don’t find anything in Bible that is there in Jewish law, It is clear that it was excluded by some. Doesn’t matter who quote it. Each and every allegation you made against Islam is from anti-Islamic sites. right?

 

[Booklover]

Ha… Ha… My dear OT is from jewish law. If you don’t find anything in Bible that is there in Jewish law, It is clear that it was excluded by some. Doesn’t matter who quote it. Each and every allegation you made against Islam is from anti-Islamic sites. right?

And you get all yours from anti-Christianity sites, so what’s the difference?

Vickie

 

[Khalfan]

No, I’m saying prove it. Show me his lineage father to son from Ishmael down to Muhammad.

Muhammad bin ‘Abdullah bin ‘Abdul-Muttalib (who was called Shaiba) bin Hashim, (named ‘Amr) bin ‘Abd Munaf (called Al-Mugheera) bin Qusai (also called Zaid) bin Kilab bin Murra bin Ka‘b bin Lo’i bin Ghalib bin Fahr (who was called Quraish and whose tribe was called after him) bin Malik bin An-Nadr (so called Qais) bin Kinana bin Khuzaiman bin Mudrikah (who was called ‘Amir) bin Elias bin Mudar bin Nizar bin Ma‘ad bin ‘Adnan bin Add bin Humaisi‘ bin Salaman bin Aws bin Buz bin Qamwal bin Obai bin ‘Awwam bin Nashid bin Haza bin Bildas bin Yadlaf bin Tabikh bin Jahim bin Nahish bin Makhi bin Aid bin ‘Abqar bin ‘Ubaid bin Ad-Da‘a bin Hamdan bin Sanbir bin Yathrabi bin Yahzin bin Yalhan bin Ar‘awi bin Aid bin Deshan bin Aisar bin Afnad bin Aiham bin Muksar bin Nahith bin Zarih bin Sami bin Mazzi bin ‘Awda bin Aram bin Qaidar bin Ishmael son of Abraham (AS).

I cannot prove it and you cannot disprove it.

Coming from you, this is a bit much. Considering how this debate is really about your prophet.

The arguement on his linieage is wain, since we cannot prove or disprove it today but to believe the records.

So you’re are God now?? I asked YOU to prove, not God.

I didn’t say I am God. But 2500 years is nothing for God since he is beyond time.

No, “my dear” (gotta love your condescending tone). You are trying to change what is actually written. Jesus is THE Prophet. He is also God, but since you are not going to believe it…

Dear, as per the Duet prophecy, the coming one was supposed to be A Prophet LIKE Moses (pbuh).

“I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.” (Deuteronomy 18:18-19).

I am sorry if Duet doesn’t agree with you.

The Quran bears no relation to any message sent before. It contradicts all that is written in the Old and New Testaments.

Becasue OT is not the true message that God send. But we can still see the message here and there. Just like many of the commandmends.

NT is not written by Jesus (pbuh). It was not authenticated by him it was written long after him. Even the writers are not confirmed. Only books confirmed is by Paul. If it was changed later, no one knows. The changing, adding and removing of verse is still going on.

 

[Booklover]

Deos the Bible say everything in the history? No. It doesn’t say they slept but it is what to understand by the command to keep virgin girls. Why they killed married womans? Why they killed small boys?

There is no age in the verse 40, but the strangest verse in the Bible, God got 32 virgin girls as his share of war!!!. For what?

Where is the verse that states this?? Don’t you Muslims get 72 virgins in Paradise?? Isn’t your idea of Paradise nothing but an orgy?

Vickie

 

[obadiah]

Where is the verse that states this?? Don’t you Muslims get 72 virgins in Paradise?? Isn’t your idea of Paradise nothing but an orgy?

Vickie

Why doesn’t the moderator do anything about the BLASPHEMER Muslim??? I am so tired of his CURSING Jesus.

 

[MHalsey]

Deos the Bible say everything in the history? No. It doesn’t say they slept but it is what to understand by the command to keep virgin girls. Why they killed married womans? Why they killed small boys?

There is no age in the verse 40, but the strangest verse in the Bible, God got 32 virgin girls as his share of war!!!. For what?

I don’t have to make anything look like part of Bible. Yuo are doing it enough in your Bible. Do you want example?

Check below.

Luke 3:23
Parallel Translations
Concordance Entries Age Beginning Eli Heli Joseph Ministry Seemed Supposed Teach Thirty​

NASB: When He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, being, as was supposed, the son of Joseph, the son of Eli, (NASB ©1995)​

GWT: Jesus was about 30 years old when he began [his ministry]. Jesus, so people thought, was the son of Joseph, son of Eli, (GOD’S WORD®)​

KJV: And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,​

ASV: And Jesus himself, when he began to teach , was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the’son of Heli,​

BBE: And Jesus at this time was about thirty years old, being the son (as it seemed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,​

DBY: And Jesus himself was beginning to be about thirty years old; being as was supposed son of Joseph; of Eli,​

WEY: And He–Jesus–when He began His ministry, was about thirty years old. He was the son (it was supposed)​

WBS: And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, who was the son of Heli,​

WEB: Jesus himself, when he began to teach, was about thirty years old, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,​

YLT: And Jesus himself was beginning to be about thirty years of age, being, as was supposed, son of Joseph,

In some version you find bracket for AS WAS SUPPOSED as it is by the translator, but in some it is not there as it is by the original writer.

Ha… Ha… My dear OT is from jewish law. If you don’t find anything in Bible that is there in Jewish law, It is clear that it was excluded by some. Doesn’t matter who quote it. Each and every allegation you made against Islam is from anti-Islamic sites. right?

Classic. When you can’t answer, you redirect to another passage. Give it up already. None of this has to do with Muhammad.

 

[MHalsey]

I cannot prove it and you cannot disprove it.

The arguement on his linieage is wain, since we cannot prove or disprove it today but to believe the records.

And so my point is made. I could just as easily say Muhammad was the descendant of Cain, and then give you a boatload of names that begin with Muhammad and end with Cain. And since that is just as believable, I can say that your argument about the passage in Duet. does not hold water because you cannot prove that Muhammad is a descendant of Ishmael.

Dear, as per the Duet prophecy, the coming one was supposed to be A Prophet LIKE Moses (pbuh).

“I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.” (Deuteronomy 18:18-19).

I am sorry if Duet doesn’t agree with you.

Come on. You know exactly what is meant by this passage. You claim Muhammad is THE prophet spoken of in the passage. Now you’re grasping at straws.

Becasue OT is not the true message that God send. But we can still see the message here and there. Just like many of the commandmends.

NT is not written by Jesus (pbuh). It was not authenticated by him it was written long after him. Even the writers are not confirmed. Only books confirmed is by Paul. If it was changed later, no one knows. The changing, adding and removing of verse is still going on.

And so we return to your claim that the Bible is corrupt. Please Khalfan, I think we’ve had enough of this.

God Bless!!

 

[chet]

=Khalfan;2476066]The Biblical prophecies on the advent of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) are evidence of the truth of Islam for people who believe in the Bible.

In Deuteronomy 18, Moses (pbuh) stated that God told him: “I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.” (Deuteronomy 18:18-19).

From these verses we conclude that the prophet in this prophecy must have the following three characteristics:

1. That he will be like Moses (pbuh).

1. That he will come from the brothers of the Israelites, i.e. the Ishmaelites.

1. That God will put His words in to the mouth of this prophet and that he will declare what God commands him.

Let us examine these three characteristics in more depth:

1. A prophet like Moses (pbuh):

Khalfan,Khalfan,Khalfan, A bad translation of a Bible verse taken out of context is hardly a hat to hang your religious beliefs on. Surely this has been pointed out to you and other Muslims before? Read it in context and your argument is over even before it begins!

Deuteronomy 9-22 "When you enter the land which the LORD your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.“For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD; and because of these detestable things the LORD your God will drive them out before you.” "**You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. "For those nations, which you shall dispossess, **listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the LORD your God has not allowed you to do so. **"The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him. **"This is according to all that you asked of the LORD your God in Horeb on the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, let me not see this great fire anymore, or I will die.’ **"The LORD said to me, 'They have spoken well.'I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 'It shall come about that whoever will not listen to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require it of him. ‘But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ **"You may say in your heart, ‘How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’ "When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

God is talking about the Israelites, not the Ishmaelites! “The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him.” Your premise is totally wrong!

 

[chet]

That is the only thing that was to be agreed. Because the world already knows, Mohamed (pbuh) was an uneducated illiterate.

Yes and Demons who are fallen angles are also have great amounts of knowledge; Wasn’t Lucifer the greatest of the angels?

 

[chet]

I can’t laugh at Jesus (pbuh) my dear. Take advantage.

I believe in Jesus (pbuh) and in his miracles. Not that he made the perfect wine in the world and made all drink. But healing and giving life to dead.

Luke 11:29-30 As the crowds were increasing, He began to say, " This generation is a wicked generation; it seeks for a sign, and yet no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah.****"For just as Jonah became a sign to the Ninevites, so will the Son of Man be to this generation.

Khalfan what sign was Jesus referring to here? heres a hint ; It’s actually the same sign as in the next verses.

John 2:18-20 The Jews then said to Him, “What sign do You show us as your authority for doing these things?” Jesus answered them, **“Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” **

Final hint:

John 10:16-18 ** For this reason, the Father loves me: because I lay down my life, so that I may take it up again.
No one takes it away from me. Instead, I lay it down of my own accord. And I have the power to lay it down. And I have the power to take it up again.**

 

[DylanO]

Yes and Demons who are fallen angles are also have great amounts of knowledge; Wasn’t Lucifer the greatest of the angels?

I heard that when “Gabriel” appeared to Muhammad that he choked him. Have you heard of this and do you know of anything on the internet about it?

 

[chet]

You took it literally. Even if any one in Israelites cannot claim he is brother of another unless he is born to same father. But in a generation sense, they can say, they from the same family since they both are from Isaraelites. In the same way, in a generation sense ishmaelites are their brotherens, since Ismael and Ishaac (pbut) were brothers.

They were 1/2 brothers technically.

**Genesis 16:3-5 **After Abram had lived ten years in the land of Canaan, Abram’s wife Sarai took Hagar the Egyptian, her maid, and gave her to her husband Abram as his wife. He went in to Hagar, and she conceived; and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her sight. And Sarai said to Abram, “May the wrong done me be upon you I gave my maid into your arms, but when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her sight May the LORD judge between you and me.”

Genesis 16:15 So Hagar bore Abram a son; and Abram called the name of his son, whom Hagar bore, Ishmael

Genesis 17:19 **But God said, "**No, but Sarah your wife will bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; and I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.

Genesis 21:10
Therefore she said to Abraham, " Drive out this maid and her son, for the son of this maid shall not be an heir with my son Isaac."

Genesis 21:12
But God said to Abraham, "Do not be distressed because of the lad and your maid; whatever Sarah tells you, listen to her, for through Isaac your descendants shall be named.

**Exodus 3:14-15 ** God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.’” God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you ’ This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.:

 

[chet]

I heard that when “Gabriel” appeared to Muhammad that he choked him. Have you heard of this and do you know of anything on the internet about it?

No.

 

[Verisimilitude]

I heard that when “Gabriel” appeared to Muhammad that he choked him. Have you heard of this and do you know of anything on the internet about it?

The unidentified spirit in the cave throttled and/or threw Mohamed to the ground each time (3 times) he asked him to read. This freaked him out so much that once he got out of the cave he intended to climb the mountain and throw himslef off to kill himslef. A hadith reports the spirit appeared above him before he could kill himself, to stop him, so he then ran home to his wife Kadijja in hysterical fear.

 

[obadiah]

The unidentified spirit in the cave throttled and/or threw Mohamed to the ground each time (3 times) he asked him to read. This freaked him out so much that once he got out of the cave he intended to climb the mountain and throw himslef off to kill himslef. A hadith reports the spirit appeared above him before he could kill himself, to stop him, so he then ran home to his wife Kadijja in hysterical fear.

Too bad he didn’t complete the process.