Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

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Two can play that game, Khalfan.

It is well-known and self-admitted by Muslims in the hadiths that Thabit ibn Zayd and Caliph Umar compiled the Quran - with editing.

So I’m suspicious as to who ‘wrote’ the Quran - after all, Uthman and Aisha claimed there were missing verses.
 
Khalfan I don’t see one that says the prophet is from the Ishmaelites do you? They all say the same thing.The Ishmaelites would have never considered the Israelites their brothers anymore than the Israelites would have never considered the Ishmaelites their brothers.Your argument doesn’t hold water.
No. I don’t see it indicates to Ishmaelites. But what I and anyone can see is the clear effort to indicate Israelites and their own generations, in some versions of Bible while in some versions says just as ‘your brotheren’. I can see the clear effort to promote Israelites and demote Ishmaelites. I can see the clear effort to make Jesus (pbuh) the prophecised prophet while in Song of Solomon 5:16, even the name of prophet Mohamed (pbuh) is mentioned which you translated as ‘wholly desirable’.
 
Khalfan thats what you’ve been programed to believe.But you are calling the Holy Spirit a liar.Think twice.
If it was the same Holy Spirit that said, Jesus (pbuh) is God incarnate, and was worshiped and prayed to ‘himself’, Spirit indeed is a liar. Because he don’t know what he is talking and teaching us what to believe.
 
God is speaking to a humans. He used human language for it. He used WE just as Queen Elizabeth uses it to refer herself. In my country, the Kings use to say the same to refer themself. But none of us never understood it as reference of multipersonality.

He clearly answered the question if he is one or more.

Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. -Quran 112:1-4

You can find the same in Bible too (answering the question if he is one or three or more) in Duet 6:4 and in Mark 12:29.

‘The Lord our God is one.’

But you simply ignore that and start interpreting tri-unity.
The Gospel of John 14:7 If you had known me, certainly you would also have known my Father. And from now on, you shall know him, and you have seen him.” Jesus stated that they have now seen God the Father. How is that possible? Even Peter, James and John had only heard God’s voice on the mountain when He said,"This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him! " **Matthew 17:5 ** What could Jesus possibly mean since the Jews believed if you saw God face to face you would die.To put the question to rest once and for all. In the very next 2 verses Philip asks the question and Jesus responds definitively! **The Gospel of John 14:8-9 **Philip said to him, “Lord, reveal the Father to us, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him: “Have I been with you for so long, and you have not known me? Philip, whoever sees me, also sees the Father. How can you say, ‘Reveal the Father to us?’ **In other words God is standing in front of you! **
 
Blaspheming against the Holy Spirit is a violation of a Commandment. To my knowledge, even Muslims are bound by them, so you are right to call for caution.
No. We don’t believe in Holy Spirit as one in Trinity of God.
 
No. I don’t see it indicates to Ishmaelites. But what I and anyone can see is the clear effort to indicate Israelites and their own generations, in some versions of Bible while in some versions says just as ‘your brotheren’. I can see the clear effort to promote Israelites and demote Ishmaelites. I can see the clear effort to make Jesus (pbuh) the prophecised prophet while in Song of Solomon 5:16, even the name of prophet Mohamed (pbuh) is mentioned which you translated as ‘wholly desirable’.
Debunked here: answering-islam.de/Main/BibleCom/songs5-16.html
 
Khalfan Why did you skip over John 17:2 is it because Jesus says
Quote:

Jesus plainly states that God the Father has Given Him (Jesus) Authority over All people! Not excluding any people in any place or in any time! So I believe that I, you, and Mohammad would be included in all people! What do you say since you used the verse before and after this verse to support your position is the verse in between corrupt? Also note that Jesus states He has the power to give Eternal Life to all people and Jesus is stating this to God the Father. Does any one beside God have this power?
**John 28 **

Khalfan does Mohammad have the power to give eternal life as Jesus claims he can? If so please quote verse only. Does Moses have the power to give eternal life as Jesus claims he can? Does David have the power to give eternal life as Jesus claims he can? Does Ishmael have the power to give eternal life as Jesus claims he can? ** Khalfan can you quote a corrupt verse to prove your truth? I should hope not! How could a corrupt verse prove anything? **
I will. Before that, tell me what you understand of ETERNAL LIFE.
 
Do you mean according to our our beliefs, or according to your beliefs?

He certainly said He is God according to our beliefs
According to your beliefs. But try for years, you can’t make him say that, because he never said that, he is God.
 
I will. Before that, tell me what you understand of ETERNAL LIFE.
1 Corinthians 2:9
but just as it is written," THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD,AND which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN,ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM."
 
1 Corinthians 2:9
but just as it is written," THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD,AND which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN,ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM."
I think we need to start shaking the dust. He is never going to accept what we believe because he believes the Bible is corrupt. It’s impossible to have a discussion with a person who declares everything you quote is either lies, corruption, or simply mistranslation.
 
Let’s assume you are right for a moment. What effect has this belief had on Cathlics/Christians in the last 2000 years?
Did the very words of Jesus (pbuh) changed anything in you Christians for last 2000 years? Jesus (pbuh) asked you to follow the commandmends to gain eternal life. Paul and you invalidated it. Jesus (pbuh) stressed the first and most important commandmend of all that ‘GOD IS ONE AND ONLY’. But you believe in something else. Jesus (pbuh) himself prayed to be saved from cross. But you believe, Jesus (pbuh) is God incarnate came to die on cross. The God that Jesus (pbuh) taught is already dead on cross for you Christians. Did it change anything in you, rather than believing, ‘God can die’???

We Muslims are talking about a living God. An eternal God who cannot be born or die. Unless you believe in that eternal God, any statements of any Muslim won’t change anything in Christianity.
Mohamed made himslef equal to God becasue of the 1st pillar of faith. What effect has that had on Mohammedans in the last 1400 years?
And what is that first pillar of faith;

To bear witness that there is no God but God, the one and only who has no partners, and to bear witness that Mohamed is a slave and messenger of God.

Does it seem equelling God and Mohamed (pbuh) to you?
 
Please stop calling Islamic beliefs lies.

You disagree with what they teach and believe, but don’t disrespect them. You don’t expect a Muslim to walk into a church during Mass and call the Eucharist idolatry.

My face drops every time a Muslim defends his religion, but then someone replies “why do you persist on trying to indoctrinate us with your lies and false religion?” Come on, you’re not going to win any debate like that.
Whether you accept me or not, I find good Christian in you. Be true to your beliefs and keep on learning Bible. Learn to ask questions that you don’t understand in Trinity, in death of God or in original Sin whatever. It may lead you to the right path that God taught.
 
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Myths & Facts About the Banu Qurayzah**

Mohd Elfie Nieshaem Juferi

The Christian missionaries have been making a lot of noise about the circumstances surrounding the Banu Qurayzah. It is a wonder that even after countless of explanations on the matter, they still want to play on this old, tired polemic. Regardless, it is about time that an answer is given to checkmate the nonsense surrounding the issue once and for all. Here, we shall attempt to address the myths about the Banu Qurayzah and establish the real facts, as follows.
  1. MYTH:
The Banu Qurayza are innocent victims who perished under the sword of Muhammad(P)

FACT:

Not true at all. On the contrary, the Banu Qurayzah prior to the incident of their so-called “massacre” attempted to betray the Muslims by openly aligning themselves with the Confederate armies (consisting of the pagan Quraysh and their allies) during the beseiging of the city of Madinah, known in history as the “War of the Confederates” (al-Harb al-Adzhaab). This is a significant act of treason, because they had earlier pledged to uphold the Madinan Covenent with the Muslims, which stipulates cooperation and an alliance if the Muslims in Madinah were attacked by a foreign force.
  1. MYTH:
The Prophet(P)ordered this punishment of the Banu Qurayza.

FACT:

Wrong. It was a Companion of the Prophet(P) by the name Saad ibn Muaz(R), an Ansar and the ally of the Banu Quraizah, who did that after the Banu Qurayzah leaders met with him and agreed to submit to whatever his judgement would be for their crimes against the Muslims.
  1. MYTH:
The “massacre” was ordered on Muhammad’s says-so. This is because Muhammad feared the Jews and recognised that they were a threat to his political dominance.

FACT:

The claim is of no substance apart from being a blasphemous lie. It is clear that Saad ibn Muaz(R) have administered the punishment in accordance with Jewish law as found in the Torah. The law is:

"When the Lord thy God hath delivered it unto thy hands, thou shalt smite every male therein with the edge of the sword: but the women, and the little ones and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself." (Deuteronomy 20:12)

It is therefore clear that Muslims are not to be blamed for administering a Law that is found within the Jewish scripture itself upon the Jews who had earlier agreed to submit to Saad ibn Muaz’s judgement.
  1. MYTH:
The Prophet (P) allowed this Law to be passed because he was inhuman and unmerciful.

FACT:

The reason why the Prophet (P) allowed judgement according to Jewish law was because the Banu Qurayzah were Jews, and in their initial agreement with the Prophet(P), they were allowed their own system of law according to the Torah. The Prophet(P) neither influenced the decision nor was he involved in any stage of the decision-making, as the representatives of Banu Qurayzah did not seek his judgement.
Thanks my dear for coming again.
 
Don’t you ever wonder or just wanted to know who wrote Genesis? But as a Muslim, I must ask; who wrote this? Was he authorised by God to write it? Because I cannot swallow anything that anyone teaches. Let me quote, what I got about the authenticity of Genesis.

"Historically, Jews and Christians alike have held that Moses was the author/compiler of the first five books of the OT. These books, known also as the Pentateuch (meaning “five-volumed book”), were referred to in Jewish tradition as the five fifths of the law (of Moses). The Bible itself suggests Mosaic authorship of Genesis, since Ac 15:1 refers to circumcision as “the custom taught by Moses,” an allusion of Ge 17. However, a certain amount of later editorial updating does appear to be indicated (see, e.g., notes on 14:14; 36:31; 47:11). (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 2)"
Since you accept Moses; How did God identify himself to Moses?
Exodus 3:6
He said also, " I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob " Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.
Why doesn’t God mention Ishmael?
Exodus 3:15 God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ’ The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you ’ This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.
If Ishmael is such an important prophet for God why isn’t Ishmael in Gods memorial name but Isaac’s is?
 
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