Muhammed suppose to marry Virgin Mary in paradise.

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The facts are in the Quran only. If anything in the Hadith, it has to be seen in the light of the Quran. There is nothing in the Quran except prise for Jesus and his mother. Then that be it. And please drop your gossip based on some man made works. (Bible and Hadith)

Remember that our Hadith is a man made work like your bible. It is not all true like the bible is not true. There can be mistakes in the Hadith. Some one speculated and wrote something. It is not a word from God or from the prophet Muhammad. So there is no need to waste time on that.

It would be better for you all to read the biography of Jesus i.e. the bible NT. There are a few things in that biography telling us what Jesus did and what he said at different times before he went away.
 
Lapell said:
I am surprised that this one seems to be so easily swallowed just like that…
Maybe our Muslim usual participants find this one too insulting for their faith to even consider answering something here, on the simple ground that it’s not worth it…
Anyhow, I just can’t buy it! The explanation doesn’t sound… sound enough this time.
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When I read the first post I didn’t see the Mother of Christ mentioned specifically except in the poster’s interpretation of
the verse.
So I agree with you.
 
planten said:
And please drop your gossip based on some man made works. (Bible and Hadith)
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Brother planten,

Firstly, the Bible is not man made work like Quran & Hadith, its revelation from God and inspired by the Holy Spirit.

(2 timothy 3:16):
“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness”.

(2 Peter 1:21):
“For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.”

Secondly, when you will wake-up and realize that you can’t be a Muslim unless you accept both Quran & Hadith, tell me where Muslims learned exactly how to pray, how to perform Haj, or Muhammed’s Suna!, its all taken from the hadith books, particularly from the nine Suni books, so please stop deceiving people here and try to hide Muhammed behaviour in the hadith.
 
planten said:
The facts are in the Quran only. If anything in the Hadith, it has to be seen in the light of the Quran. There is nothing in the Quran except prise for Jesus and his mother. Then that be it. And please drop your gossip based on some man made works. (Bible and Hadith)

Remember that our Hadith is a man made work like your bible. It is not all true like the bible is not true. There can be mistakes in the Hadith. Some one speculated and wrote something. It is not a word from God or from the prophet Muhammad. So there is no need to waste time on that.

It would be better for you all to read the biography of Jesus i.e. the bible NT. There are a few things in that biography telling us what Jesus did and what he said at different times before he went away.
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The New Testament is not the biography of Jesus. Your beloved Koran says almost nothing about Jesus in comparison to the data stated in the New Testament. Besides, more than half of the information about Jesus in the Koran comes from the apocryphal Gospels of the second century.
 
planten said:
The facts are in the Quran only. If anything in the Hadith, it has to be seen in the light of the Quran. There is nothing in the Quran except prise for Jesus and his mother. Then that be it. And please drop your gossip based on some man made works. (Bible and Hadith)

Remember that our Hadith is a man made work like your bible. It is not all true like the bible is not true. There can be mistakes in the Hadith. Some one speculated and wrote something. It is not a word from God or from the prophet Muhammad. So there is no need to waste time on that.

It would be better for you all to read the biography of Jesus i.e. the bible NT. There are a few things in that biography telling us what Jesus did and what he said at different times before he went away.
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Dear Planten,

If there are mistakes in Hadith, why don’t you just drop it from your believe. Stop kissing the black stone because it is nothing in the Quran. Why Hadith had to make my Grandpa suffered a lot when he had to kiss that black stone, while it is not obligated in the Quran? Gee, I somehow agree with Lapell saying this topic is too insulting for you. So, we better go off-topic now or start a new thread.
 
Sam_777 said:
Brother planten,

Firstly, the Bible is not man made work like Quran & Hadith, its revelation from God and inspired by the Holy Spirit.

(2 timothy 3:16):
“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness”.

(2 Peter 1:21):
“For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.”

Secondly, when you will wake-up and realize that you can’t be a Muslim unless you accept both Quran & Hadith, tell me where Muslims learned exactly how to pray, how to perform Haj, or Muhammed’s Suna!, its all taken from the hadith books, particularly from the nine Suni books, so please stop deceiving people here and try to hide Muhammed behaviour in the hadith.
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You’re right about a Muslim’s requirement to accept the hadiths, but how do you think you’re going to convince a Muslim of the Bible’s divine inspiration by quoting the BIBLE itself? This is the same circular logic Muslims try and use on us so unsuccessfully all time; the least we can do is try not to resort to the same logical fallacies they do. 😉
 
dolphinlove said:
Ok, this is really made me sick. There is a statue of Mary with her stamping on a serpents head. They should have her other foot stepping on Muhammads head.
Muhammad is a sick and twisted individual for saying such things about our beloved mother Mary. :mad:
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Provided that he really said this and nobody else among his disciples or their successors… 😉 It’s a possibility. What you said that he said is also a possibility. Stories made up to make a point do exist!
 
planten said:
And please drop your gossip based on some man made works. (Bible and Hadith)

Remember that our Hadith is a man made work like your bible. It is not all true like the bible is not true.
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if quran is only truth then why do u use hadith in some thread?pls stop calling bible a man made work without proof.its not fair.we proved the errors&mistakes of ur quran&u edited it in ur way!&even couldn’t give any references!
 
Lapell said:
Maybe our Muslim usual participants find this one too insulting for their faith to even consider answering something here,
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i don’t think that its an insulting thread.those proofs sam shows us,all are true,so its not insulting but bitter.ya bitter because truths are always bitter.all muslim believe in sahih hadiths,so what should they answer if their hadith support sam’s references?sam ur thread is very nice.
 
finally i want to say something to those muslims who even deny sahih hadiths.they will no longer be muslims who deny hadith(according to scriptures or scholars).here is a problem for some muslim friends.some friend deny sahih hadith but they sometime give references from hadith.some friend edit quran but can’t show any prove from quran when they edit!very contradictory,very weird!we should be carefull from them.
 
now a post for my dear brother sam_777,sam i am gratefull to you that you told us a truth.just carry on brother don’t hesitate.you know truth will win cause jesus is the true GOD.I see that you know many bitter truth about islam.though i am ex muslim but for the 1st time i knew this horrible truth about muhammed from ur thread.thank you very much for ur thread and for all authentic information.holy lord jesus bless you my brother.:amen:
 
morning_star777 said:
finally i want to say something to those muslims who even deny sahih hadiths.they will no longer be muslims who deny hadith(according to scriptures or scholars).here is a problem for some muslim friends.some friend deny sahih hadith but they sometime give references from hadith.some friend edit quran but can’t show any prove from quran when they edit!very contradictory,very weird!we should be carefull from them.
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That is not true. You see the result of your formula? You were an Ahle Hadith. Now you are a christian. You see the fallacy and weakness of the Ahle Hadith?

Here the topic is "Muhammad supposed to marry Virgn Mary… What use is this thread? It has been dug out from some Hadith. It is not in the Quran. It is well known that there had been many self made Hadith in the books. Most of them have been thrown out of the books. But still some remain.

It should be easy to understand for all of you about the books of Hadith and its contents. They describe the life of Muhammad. Just like bible NT describes the life of Jesus. The hadith is reported and written by men who were close to the prophet. The Bible was also reported and written by men close to Jesus.

So what is the difference between Hadith and bible? They are both man made books. They are not 100% correct. It is being reported by the Catholic specialists that no one should rely too much on the bible because all of it is not true and correct.

Also you people have different number of books in the bible with different sects. The protestants have fewer books and the text of the gospels is also not the same. So now you know more about your own problems and perhaps you can leave the Hadith alone.
 
planten said:
It should be easy to understand for all of you about the books of Hadith and its contents. They describe the life of Muhammad. Just like bible NT describes the life of Jesus. The hadith is reported and written by men who were close to the prophet. The Bible was also reported and written by men close to Jesus.
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The NT does NOT describe the life of Jesus. Your posts are not worth an honest consideration because you always repeat your false claims and slander our faith. Please be honest! If you can criticise our faith only through dishonesty, your arguments will always be ignored no matter how strong they might seem to some.
planten said:
So what is the difference between Hadith and bible? They are both man made books. They are not 100% correct. It is being reported by the Catholic specialists that no one should rely too much on the bible because all of it is not true and correct.
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Since your conclusions are derived from your faulty presumptions, they are absolutely wrong. They sound like the reasoning of a little kid that says, “2+2 makes 6; therefore, 2+2 x 5 makes 30”!

Could you please cite a source for your allegation that some Catholic specialists agree with you about the Bible???
planten said:
Also you people have different number of books in the bible with different sects. The protestants have fewer books and the text of the gospels is also not the same. So now you know more about your own problems and perhaps you can leave the Hadith alone.
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When in panic, you take refuge in irrelevance! 🤷

Could you please cite your source to prove your allegation that the number of books in the NT canon shows variation ?
 
planten said:
That is not true. You see the result of your formula?You were an Ahle Hadith.Now you are a christian. You see the fallacy and weakness of the Ahle Hadith?
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formula?I still didn’t get ur reply that in quran where u found 13/24,14/24(inheritance law)&about any other blunder&contradiction:shrug:.but u are correct ahle hadiths(salafist)are most bigot sector in islam.but thats ur problem not mine,cause now i am christian.
 
morning_star777 said:
I still didn’t get ur reply that in quran where u found 13/24,14/24(inheritance law)&about any other blunders&contradictions.🤷.but u are correct ahle hadiths(salafist)are most bigot sector in islam.but thats ur problem not mine,because now i am christian.
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Morning Star, your posts are so refreshing!

Vickie :hug1: 👍
 
anyway brother planten if you can prove that those hadiths are not pure(marriage about muhammed&mother mary)then you are welcome.but if those are sahih hadiths from siah sattah(6 pure hadith),or another pure hadith then u have to face us again.but honestly speaking i didn’t know about it.i didn’t read all hadith.but i don’t think that sam_777 will give wrong hadith as reference.so 1st prove him wrong.but i believe that sam know islam very well.
 
planten said:
That is not true. You see the result of your formula? You were an Ahle Hadith. Now you are a christian. You see the fallacy and weakness of the Ahle Hadith?

Here the topic is "Muhammad supposed to marry Virgn Mary… What use is this thread? It has been dug out from some Hadith. It is not in the Quran. It is well known that there had been many self made Hadith in the books. Most of them have been thrown out of the books. But still some remain.
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yes, some are not considered authentic, but Bukhari is. Google “authentic hadith” and see what you get.
It should be easy to understand for all of you about the books of Hadith and its contents. They describe the life of Muhammad. Just like bible NT describes the life of Jesus. The hadith is reported and written by men who were close to the prophet. The Bible was also reported and written by men close to Jesus.
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So what is the difference between Hadith and bible? They are both man made books. They are not 100% correct. It is being reported by the Catholic specialists that no one should rely too much on the bible because all of it is not true and correct.
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oh really? this statement is so utterly ridiculous i don’t know whether to laugh or cry! … i think i’ll laugh. :rotfl:

whew, now that i got that out of my system please show us who this Catholic specialist is that says we shouldn’t rely too much on a book that is ALL incorrect.
Also you people have different number of books in the bible with different sects. The protestants have fewer books and the text of the gospels is also not the same. So now you know more about your own problems and perhaps you can leave the Hadith alone.
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yes, we are aware of the many different sects that broke away from the Catholic Church. planten, i assume you love truth, (don’t we all) so please take the time to read through this thread. it will really help you to understand this issue.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=238010
 
morning_star777 said:
formula?I still didn’t get ur reply that in quran where u found 13/24,14/24(inheritance law)&about any other blunder&contradiction:shrug:.but u are correct ahle hadiths(salafist)are most bigot sector in islam.but thats ur problem not mine,cause now i am christian.
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Would you honestly say that I did not reply? I did reply and gave the answer to your supposed problem of inheritance. I also said that I will check up and ask some one if there was some other explanation. But when I checked, it was the right answer. So I did not repeat the post.

Tell me did I reply to you or not?
May I tell you that it is not my problem. It is all your problem that you have reverted. You are now out of the frying pan and into the fire. If you will honestly consider the matter, and calling them bigots. I suppose your parents must have been bigots too? What do you say? It is not good to blame your old friends so quickly.
 
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