Multiverses/Parallel Universes/Other Dimensions

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edwest211 said:
Now, the following is true. This is someone I knew telling me about a Near Death Experience.

“It was like being at a wedding. People were standing around, talking. I saw a light in the distance and felt drawn to it, but something told me ‘not yet.’ I’ll tell you. People who don’t believe in Heaven are going to be in for a big surprise.” He died the following morning.
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Maybe he only came back to tell you. That’s a privileged position to be in.
 
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She’s 80-something years old and I’d bet everything I have that she wouldn’t have a problem with it. Now, my spending time on CAF is another story.
 
I can’t say for sure. I would feel more comfortable saying that NDE is the experience we have when we transition from this plane of existence, and our relationship with God can effect the content of that experience. I think he really was being drawn toward God, and the imagery he saw, being drawn to a light, is how he experienced this. I think its a good sign.

I don’t know either way.
 
I forgot to add that this book quotes a lot of Scripture and correlates NDEs and their descriptions of Heaven, love etc. with Scripture, both the OT and NT.
 
Anybody else want to chime in and tell me if other dimensions are found, will that contradict or go against the Bible or Catholicism?
 
In other words, are Catholics allowed to believe in other dimensions?
 
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The only thing we are not allow to believe is the idea that physical reality is eternal. That,s it.

You can believe that there are other physical planes of existence if you want.
 
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IWantGod said:
The only thing we are not allow to believe is the idea that physical reality is eternal. That,s it.

You can believe that there are other physical planes of existence if you want.

I don’t know about parallel universes though.
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So can we believe Heaven is in another dimension?

And what if parallel universes exist, anybody?
 
Firstly, string theory is just that, theory. And it’s been modified since it’s inception.

If we think about atoms in relation to the multi-dimension question we should see it poses no threat to us (and when science seeks and finds truth we know it cannot threaten us as Catholics, because science cannot contradict God and Natural Law). I’ve seen diagrams of atoms and quarks but I’ve not seen one in real life, as it were. There was a point where atoms weren’t a “thing” yet in the scientific community. Discovering another layer that composes the physical universe we are able to perceive doesn’t contradict what we hold true as Catholics- it merely offers the opportunity to do what many saints have done and recommended, and that is to study Creation more closely to know God better. Obviously you’ll have issues when science is pursued from an atheistic camp. Below is a link from a Protestant pastor, Louie Giglio, that illustrates what I’m driving at. It’s 40 minutes but I think it’s worth the watch, especially if you’re a science geek or find science threatening to your faith.
 
We know there’s other dimensions to our universe. They must serve some necessary function.

God has definitely created other universes. Obviously, we won’t know more about them until we’re in Heaven.
 
I’ll watch the video later tonight. In English, are you saying that Catholics are allowed to believe in other dimensions (and parallel Universes)?
 
Honestly that’s a little above my pay grade, if I wanted to answer in good conscience. Personally I look at it like this- God created all things, and science is the study of that creation. So ultimately science will either point to or reveal Him and His hand in our natural world, regardless of what “level” those discoveries are made at (from migratory patterns of great white sharks to cellular biology). In the case of parallel universe or alternate dimensions the question is- How does this effect my personal journey to become a saint in this life? There might be parallel universes, but does it change the things I ought to do cultivate virtue, fight sin and lead a life ordered toward holiness, penance and mortification? I, personally, don’t see that it does.

So what are the “practical” implications of the existence of these things, that’s what I’m driving at. You should check out Fr. Spitzer when you get a chance, he does entire shows around stuff like this. He also has some books out there that might cover these topics, but I couldn’t say for certain.

I’d say don’t sweat it, and work on being holier tomorrow than you were today.
 
Hope1960 said:
If other dimensions exist does this contradict the Bible or go against our Catholic faith?
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No, I don’t believe so. The Bible itself speaks of multiple heavens such as ‘Behold, to the Lord your God belong heaven and the heaven of heavens’ (Deuter. 10:14) and St Paul says he was caught up to the third heaven. The very word for heaven in biblical hebrew is in plural form, i.e., there is not singular form of the word ‘heaven’ in biblical hebrew. The abode of the angels is said to be in the heavens, for example, confer Psalm 148, Jacob’s ladder in Gen. 28, and the bad angels being thrown out of heaven in the book of Revelation. Some of the fathers of the Church considered the abode of the angels to be the highest created heaven, a corporeal place even, presumably beyond the visible heavens we see. The scholastic theologians took this idea up and it was known as the empyrean heaven. It is an article of the catholic faith that Jesus ascended into heaven (Apostles Creed) and Mary was assumed into heaven body and soul. That there may be an invisible heaven beyond the visible heavens which may be a created natural abode of the angels and to where the blessed souls go presently is not against the Bible or the catholic faith.
 
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I think it may be harmless, and therefore acceptable, to envision heaven, or create a mental model of heaven, as a higher-dimensional world or parallel universe, provided that you clearly understand that it is only a limited attempt to understand heaven, and not the full reality which is beyond our ability to understand in this life.
 
I might have said this before on the old system, And I’ll say it again:

No and no. If such dimensions exist, God made them.

God bless and ICXC NIKA.
 
GEddie said:
I might have said this before on the old system, And I’ll say it again:

No and no. If such dimensions exist, God made them.

God bless and ICXC NIKA.
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GEddie, are you responding to my post #1 or #28, or…?
 
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It sounds like a scientist is using scientific vocabulary to explain spiritual realm.

I wouldn’t get too caught up in all this “dimension” rhetoric.
 
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