Multiverses/Parallel Universes/Other Dimensions

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Hope1960 said:
Are you saying that when scientists talk about a multiverse and parallel Universes, the word Universe includes the multiverse or parallel Universes (if they exist), because the word Universe includes everything?
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It’s a misuse of the word “universe”. By definition, there can be only one universe.

Sometimes I hear theories about other areas of pace-time that we cannot detect; for example like a bunch of grapes, and our visible universe starting with the Big Bang is confined to a single grape but there are other areas that we can’t get to and they call them other universes. But by definition each grape wouldn’t be its own universe, because universe means all of it: it would all be the one universe.
 
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Hope1960 said:
Are you saying that when scientists talk about a multiverse and parallel Universes, the word Universe includes the multiverse or parallel Universes (if they exist), because the word Universe includes everything?
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I ask again.

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5 Reasons We May Live in a Multiverse

The idea of multiple universes, or a multiverse, is suggested by not just one, but numerous physics theories. Here are the top five ways additional universes could come about.
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neophyte said:
By definition, there is only a single Universe. The word universum indicates “the sum of everything”, in other words, the totality of everything that is physical.

The Church has no comment on the existence of higher-ordered dimensions, such things are irrelevant to Her purpose.

The problem is that you seem to think that Heaven, to the extent that it may involve a dimensionality that we cannot detect, is distinguished from the part of space-time we can detect only by the fact that we can’t detect it. But that’s not the case.

We don’t, and can’t, know everything of what heaven is, but we can certainly know what it is not. And it is not merely another physical dimension.
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If the Church has no problem with us believing in other dimensions, how do you know Heaven isn’t in another dimension?
 
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Hope1960 said:
If the Church has no problem with us believing in other dimensions, how do you know Heaven isn’t in another dimension?
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Heaven is the place where God is, and the angels. But God and the angels are pure spirit, and (aside from the hypostatic union) have no physicality whatsoever. Therefore, heaven cannot be merely another dimension of physicality.
 
neophyte said:
Heaven is the place where God is, and the angels. But God and the angels are pure spirit, and (aside from the hypostatic union) have no physicality whatsoever. Therefore, heaven cannot be merely another dimension of physicality.
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Is this an official teaching of the Church that we must believe or your opinion?

And back to my OP, are Catholics allowed to believe in other dimensions or a multiverse? Several posters here say we are.
 
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Hope1960 said:
Is this an official teaching of the Church that we must believe or your opinion?
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Read the Catechism starting at paragraph 326. St. Thomas Acquinas also has much to say about the nature of angels.
Hope1960 said:
And back to my OP, are Catholics allowed to believe in other dimensions or a multiverse? Several posters here say we are.
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You give the distinct impression of not really thinking about the replies you’re given, and I see no use in continuing. I suggest that you stop worrying about the unimportant question of where heaven is or is not, and be about the business of getting there. It’ll be perfectly clear at that time.
 
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The writings of the CCC and St. Thomas say nothing about if we are allowed to believe in a multiverse or other dimensions.
And I already know God and the angels are spirit.
 
There is a debate if multiverses are real. If they are real then God exist outside of all those Universes.
 
Hope1960 said:
The writings of the CCC and St. Thomas say nothing about if we are allowed to believe in a multiverse or other dimensions.
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As has been repeatedly said, that question is entirely irrelevant to the mission of the Church.
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And I already know God and the angels are spirit
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So then why do you have such difficuly with the idea that heaven cannot be merely another dimension of physicality?
 
If the Church has no say whether multiverses or other dimensions exist, and you seem to agree on that point,
And if you agree the CCC and St. Thomas also says nothing on that particular subject, why do you have such a hard time entertaining the idea this authors theory that Heaven might be in another dimension might be possible?
 
Hope1960 said:
If the Church has no say whether multiverses or other dimensions exist, and you seem to agree on that point,

And if you agree the CCC and St. Thomas also says nothing on that particular subject, why do you have such a hard time entertaining the idea this authors theory that Heaven might be in another dimension might be possible?
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I’ve answered that question very clearly, but you don’t appear to be really thinking about what anyone says to you.

I’m done.
 
It seems that scientists are definitely leaning toward there being multiverses.
 
Do you really think the Church has a teaching on such recent scientific speculation? That’s not how the Church works. If and when it becomes a concrete reality in our lives the Church may have a position on how it impacts our spiritual lives… if it does. Don’t worry about it - there’s no faith here… only science.
 
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Do you really think the Church has a teaching on such recent scientific speculation?
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I really think She’s either ok with us believing in those two things or not. If She has no “teaching” on it, there mustn’t be any reason we can’t.
 
Rick and Morty sure experiment with the concept of the multiverse
 
Hope1960 said:
It seems that scientists are definitely leaning toward there being multiverses.
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If there were two different universes, would it be the same Trinity for both universes or would it be different. For example, the Son Incarnate has a specific body in this universe which has risen from the dead. Would it be the same or different in the second universe. And various theories speculate that there are 10^500 different universes.
 
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