Music Leader Thread Part III - Song Lists, Suggestions, and Comments

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I have a question; does it really matter if you do “The First Noel” during a Christmas Mass or a Mass preceeding the Epiphany of Our Lord even though it mentions the wise men greeting the newborn king? I mean, is it liturgically appropriate?
 
CatholicZ09 said:
I have a question; does it really matter if you do “The First Noel” during a Christmas Mass or a Mass preceeding the Epiphany of Our Lord even though it mentions the wise men greeting the newborn king? I mean, is it liturgically appropriate?
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I think it ought to be avoided.
 
It will be interesting to know what mass settings you are using in your Churches for Christmas.

For us Haydn’s Missa Sancti Nicolai for midnight mass
and Vittoria’s Missa O Magnum Mysterium for Christmas Day. Anthems: For unto us a child is born and a spotless rose by Howells.
 
JGMendes4049 said:
I think it ought to be avoided.
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I will only be using it as a backup in case I need a second song for Communion. Certainly not my first choice of music on Christmas. But everyone knows it.

My goal on major days such as Christmas, Easter, etc (even funerals) is to choose music that all (parishoneers AND visitors) are familiar with. Granted, Christmas and Easter are fairly common ground, but it’s still better to pick ‘well-known’ hymns in my opinion than something that maybe only your congregation might know.

If I’m not mistaken, the idea is to have EVERYONE join in song.
 
CatholicZ09 said:
Thanks. It’s not something I would do personally, but I just wanted some opinions on what others would do with it.
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I feel the same way about ‘What Child is this?’ It is an Ephany song too but everyone expects to hear it Christmas Eve/Day.
 
hosea said:
I feel the same way about ‘What Child is this?’ It is an Ephany song too but everyone expects to hear it Christmas Eve/Day.
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I will use this, but only the first two verses. There is nothing in them about the epiphany. Even the third verse only has one line about the gifts of the Magi. I have found the hymnal designations to be guidelines, with a lot of gray area.
 
pianomany2k said:
I will only be using it as a backup in case I need a second song for Communion. Certainly not my first choice of music on Christmas. But everyone knows it.

My goal on major days such as Christmas, Easter, etc (even funerals) is to choose music that all (parishoneers AND visitors) are familiar with. Granted, Christmas and Easter are fairly common ground, but it’s still better to pick ‘well-known’ hymns in my opinion than something that maybe only your congregation might know.

If I’m not mistaken, the idea is to have EVERYONE join in song.
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That is my idea too. I will even sing O Holy Night, though not in the hymnal. Almost everyone know that song.
 
Here’s our PROGRAM
We favor singing propers and chant quickly and acapella , otherwise they become too associated to minor harmonies.

Here’s the introit: It has holiness in the chanted form sets a prayerful environment. This type of chant is a declamation( not a song) allowing God the Father to speak his own words about the incarnation as we begin our Christmas prayers. Opting out of “O Come All ye Faithful” - even with trumpets and typanies
youtube.com/watch?v=5kA-0o30Nq8

For responosrial psalms ; don’t miss this site.
Learn the ins-and-outs of this site.It will move your music up a notch and save you time with all the practice mp3 and free scores, and inserts.
ccwatershed.org/chabanel/
 
Enim said:
Here’s our PROGRAM
We favor singing propers and chant quickly and acapella , otherwise they become too associated to minor harmonies.

Here’s the introit: It has holiness in the chanted form sets a prayerful environment. This type of chant is a declamation( not a song) allowing God the Father to speak his own words about the incarnation as we begin our Christmas prayers. Opting out of “O Come All ye Faithful” - even with trumpets and typanies
youtube.com/watch?v=5kA-0o30Nq8

For responosrial psalms ; don’t miss this site.
Learn the ins-and-outs of this site.It will move your music up a notch and save you time with all the practice mp3 and free scores, and inserts.
ccwatershed.org/chabanel/
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What is “Today’s Missal”?
Excuse my ignorance :o
 
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If I’m not mistaken, the idea is to have EVERYONE join in song.
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Hmmmmm… but what songs?

The “idea” is to achieve full an active participation in the * Mass*. Therefore *what we sing *should be the Mass: its text, and its music What we sing should bear the marks of the Church in content and form. Above all, it should be participation in sacramental prayer.
Other “songs” ( cantus altus aptus) are welcomed too, but remeber that songs and even the “propers” are only sung if most of the ordinary acclamtions are sung. Like the Creed!
In other words the songs come last! This is described in Musicam Sacram

Here are the first two of the three hierarchical degrees of participation. This is a wonderful outline and if we had followed it more closely then we would have seen that there was a built-in action plan for builing participation level upon level eminating from Christ, the celbran.t
Instruction On Music In The Liturgy
Sacred Congregation of Rites ¬ March 5, 1967
29. The following belong to the first degree:
(a) In the entrance rites: the greeting of the priest together with the reply of the people; the prayer.
(b) In the Liturgy of the Word: the acclamations at the Gospel.
(c) In the Eucharistic Liturgy: the prayer over the offerings; the preface with its dialogue and the Sanctus; the final doxology of the Canon, the Lord’s Prayer with its introduction and embolism; the Pax Domini; the prayer after the Communion; the formulas of dismissal.
30. The following belong to the second degree:
(a) the Kyrie, Gloria and Agnus Dei;
(b) the Creed;
(c) the prayer of the faithful.

btw
The earlier document, Sacrosanctum Councilium’s fisrt 36 paragraphs is a lengthly description of how active participation is achieved by preparation, daily prayer,and instruction. It is achieved perfectly when one receives communion.There really is not that much about music.
 
CatholicZ09 said:
It’s an OCP Missal that is published quarterly. The Music Issue is another OCP publication published yearly.
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Ahh, okay. I just thought they were leaflets, I was wrong.

We’re not allowed to use anything like that at the NO, we have to use CBW III or Celebrate in Song (which is just…yuck). At the TLM, I think the St Basil’s is used, or we just have a binder-leaflet thing.

I just looked at the indexes for Today’s Missal and Music Issue. Actually quite good. I was expecting a whole lot of “Gather around the wooden table” or “Clap your cymbals, wave your flag” kind of thing, but no! I might just order a copy for myself.
 
LoyalViews said:
Ahh, okay. I just thought they were leaflets, I was wrong.

We’re not allowed to use anything like that at the NO, we have to use CBW III or Celebrate in Song (which is just…yuck). At the TLM, I think the St Basil’s is used, or we just have a binder-leaflet thing.

I just looked at the indexes for Today’s Missal and Music Issue. Actually quite good. I was expecting a whole lot of “Gather around the wooden table” or “Clap your cymbals, wave your flag” kind of thing, but no! I might just order a copy for myself.
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I probably don’t give OCP missals as much credit as they deserve. I have the Breaking Bread missal from OCP, which is basically the same missal as MI. They have a good selection of traditional hymns, but they have an equally bad selection of contemporary songs such as “Go Make a Difference”, “God Has Chosen Me”, “Women of the Church”, “Gather Us In”, “Enter the Journey”, etc. you get the point.

I noticed that Today’s Missal contains a lot of traditional pieces.

They’re definately not as bad as the Gather hymnal. I was flipping through that at a different parish, and I came across a song that mentioned “slums of the Bronx”. :eek:
 
My final selection is:

Three minutes before Mass, Puer Natus in Bethlehem (gregorian)
Intro: O Come All ye Faithful/Adestes Fidelis
Angels We Have Heard on High
What Child is This
Go Tell it On the Mountain
O Little Town of Bethlehem
Silent Night
O Holy Night
Away in a Manger
Joy to the World
 
Is anyone singing the gregorian propers this weekend? In particular, the introit for the Mass during the Night is, if I dare say, almost easy. Listen to it.

I dare you to sing it before your opening hymn. Just start the procession, sing the antiphon once (stop at the double bar before “Ps. Quare…”), then begin your hymn mid procession. 30 seconds. That’s all it takes to do it right. If you even want to, you could sing it accompanied, although if you have the right acoustics, it’s much more mystical and awesome without it.

Do it right, and you can get something like this.

Just. Do. It. You won’t be sorry.
 
Processional Hymn: The First Nowell, God Christian Men, Rejoice!
Offertory Hymn: God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen
Communion Hymn: Wexford Carol, I sing of a Maiden
Recessional Hymn: O Holy Night, Coventry Carol

Processional Hymn: Alma Redemptoris Mater
Offertory Hymn: Christe Redemptor Omnium
Communion Hymn: Ave Maris Stella (Grieg)
Recessional Hymn: Adeste Fideles
 
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