Music leaders, show us your song list - NEW!!

[pianomany2k]

I noticed this past weekend that the congregation kind of shuns from singing some of the songs if the organist doesn’t play that loud. For instance, we sang “In the Land there is a Hunger” this past Sunday and when he got to the verses (it was a different organist), he played really low, and everyone dropped out. I guess the majority of the congregation doesn’t like hearing themselves sing or like to be heard. When the usual organist plays, he plays with a lot of vigor which invites full congregational participation.

One of the things I was taught, was that refrains should always be played with vigor, verses start somewhat lower, and build up through subsequent verses.

Never had objections to it.

 

[pipeorganist]

OCP Does not make Ritual Song, you would be speaking about GIA for Gather Us In/Ritual Song its Hymn # 850 I used it one time and that was the last.

This is what i suggest for this Sunday July 18th

E: 684 Praise My Soul the King of Heaven *RS
O: 653 Word of God, Come Down on Earth
C: Jesus My Lord, My God, My All
M: O Lord, I Am Not Worthy
R: 705 Father, We Thank Thee, Who Hast Planted

There not Litergical but i dont care, what GIA had planned i did not like, My Congregation does not do any of the new music, we like the Old

 

[pianomany2k]

There not Litergical but i dont care, what GIA had planned i did not like, My Congregation does not do any of the new music, we like the Old

And that’s your prerogative. Every parish is different. The five I’ve been in prefer newer music. And GIA fits as far as I’m concerned. I’ve used Gather Comp I, Ritual Song, Catholic Community Hymnal, Breaking Bread, Glory & Praise, and We Celebrate.

My current parish went through a phase in the late 80s - mid 90s where several different hymnals were used (from Glory & Praise to Lead Me Guide Me to We Celebrate to Breaking Bread), finally settled on Catholic Community Hymnal about 2000.

 

[seano14]

Next weeks music update-

Opening-We Are Called
Psalm-He Who Does Justice
Gospel Acclamation-Celtic Alleluia
Offertory-You Are Mine
Communion-One Love Released
Meditation-Holy Is His Name
Closing- The Church’s One Foundation

 

[benedictgal]

OCP Does not make Ritual Song, you would be speaking about GIA for Gather Us In/Ritual Song its Hymn # 850 I used it one time and that was the last.

This is what i suggest for this Sunday July 18th

E: 684 Praise My Soul the King of Heaven *RS
O: 653 Word of God, Come Down on Earth
C: Jesus My Lord, My God, My All
M: O Lord, I Am Not Worthy
R: 705 Father, We Thank Thee, Who Hast Planted

There not Litergical but i dont care, what GIA had planned i did not like, My Congregation does not do any of the new music, we like the Old

I know that OCP does not make Gather; GIA does. But, a lot of the stuff in Gather is from the OCP arsenal. That is why I made the comments.

Incidentally, I would move Word of God, Come Down on Earth to the Entrance and then move Father, We Thank Thee Who Has Planted to the Offertory. Praise My Soul, The King of Heaven would then go to the recessional.

 

[benedictgal]

And that’s your prerogative. Every parish is different. The five I’ve been in prefer newer music. And GIA fits as far as I’m concerned. I’ve used Gather Comp I, Ritual Song, Catholic Community Hymnal, Breaking Bread, Glory & Praise, and We Celebrate.

My current parish went through a phase in the late 80s - mid 90s where several different hymnals were used (from Glory & Praise to Lead Me Guide Me to We Celebrate to Breaking Bread), finally settled on Catholic Community Hymnal about 2000.

However, before one can make that statement, have the faithful even been exposed to genuine sacred music? If all they are getting is the OCP/GIA garden variety and they have not heard nor sung anything genuinely sacred, that is not really a fair assessment to make. Just because you prefer newer music, that does not mean that you should not expose your parish to what is genuinely sacred.

 

[pianomany2k]

Just because you prefer newer music, that does not mean that you should not expose your parish to what is genuinely sacred.

I wasn’t there when they did their experimenting with hymnals. I started working there about a year ago, and found out about all of that when I saw the numerous hymnals laying around my office before I cleaned it up.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand…

July 17/18, 2010 - 16th Sunday in Ordinary Time

Gathering: Gather Us In (#403 CCH)
Preparation: Seek Ye First (#335 CCH)
Communion: One Bread, One Body (#433 CCH)
Recessional: Blest Are They (#359 CCH)

This weekend is my current Assoc. Pastor’s last weekend at my church. Many of the priest’s are starting their new assignments next week.

 

[CatholicZ09]

I think based on assembly participation, the faithful at my church love the older hymns and the newer ones as well. I guess their tweeners. I know that when we sing “Be Not Afraid”, “Blest Are They” or typically anything from the Haas and Schutte collection, they bellow it out.

Now, older hymns, like “Holy, Holy, Holy” and “Holy God, We Praise Thy Name”, everyone bellows those out, maybe because they’re used on a rare basis, and they know them really well.

I don’t really know if any of them like a lot of Marty Haugen’s line of music. I know my music director likes Haugen’s “All Are Welcome”, which isn’t that bad of a song. I kind of have mixed feelings about it. I had a discussion about “Gather Us In” with some people and most feelings were negative.

I don’t know if the majority of Catholics tend to like the music they are exposed to the most (which is mostly the newer contemporary music not all, though), or if they tend to like the older hymns more, which a lot of parishes (not all, though) tend to not use as much.

 

[hosea]

The contemporary composers started providing ‘newer’ style songs back in the 60’s. The songs were more musical played on accoustic piano and guitar rather than organ. This attracted contemporary musicians (like me) to join choirs and share talents (I started in '72). But, alas, guitar and organ are not good friends. The next 50 years have seen the slow exit of the beautiful Church organ. As more and more young musicians sought to direct parish liturgy programs there became more need for the contemporary style music. The church organ was replaced by electronic and full sized grand pianos and guitars. So the flood of new music began. Haugen, Haas (the Lennon/McCartney of Responsorial Psalms), Ferrell, Olstott, and the others just kept meeting the demand. So now we have nearly 2 generations who’s primary plate of Liturgical music is contemporary. The traditional music discussed here is used only rarely now.
So, what do we do?
As for me and my choir, we will continue to use the beautiful songs born out of the 60’s because it is what drew us all together 25 years ago. At 60 years old I may only have a few years left. I will spend them playing my beloved Haugen, Haas, Bernadette, Schutte, and the others until He takes my fingers from my guitar and takes me home.
Peace to all and the music you love…be it contemporary or traditional.
Let it be for His glory and His alone.
Terry

 

[pnewton]

Back to the topic,

My list for this Sunday is

We Walk By Faith
All That We Have
Gift of Finest Wheat
Eagle’s Wings
Though the Mountains May Fall

I may replace the second song (Offetory) with God It Was, if I can get it down pat in time. This was recommended by one of the other musicians, and I really think it would be a positive additon.

 

[benedictgal]

Back to the topic,

My list for this Sunday is

We Walk By Faith
All That We Have
Gift of Finest Wheat
Eagle’s Wings
Though the Mountains May Fall

I may replace the second song (Offetory) with God It Was, if I can get it down pat in time. This was recommended by one of the other musicians, and I really think it would be a positive additon.

If I am asked to sing this weekend, this is what I will use:

Entrance: The God of Abraham Praise
Offertory: Father, We Thank Thee
Communion: Shepherd of Souls
Recessional: Lord, Whose Love in Humble Service

By the way, pnewton, thanks for the kind words earlier. It really does not matter to me if I sing or not. It’s the content and the manner in which the music is presented that is worries me. I told the folks that they need to address the issue with the pastor. Hopefully, he will see that “free” is not necessarily a good thing.

 

[pnewton]

It really does not matter to me if I sing or not. It’s the content and the manner in which the music is presented that is worries me. I told the folks that they need to address the issue with the pastor. Hopefully, he will see that “free” is not necessarily a good thing.

Yes. Sometimes one must pay to improve the liturgy. It is usually money well spent.

My goal right now is to try and pick 5-6 new hymns a year to bolster our choices. My preference has always been for the older hymns, including Protestant hymns if they are appropriate. We are also increasing Latin usage. Our hymnals are about fifteen years old and starting to wear. I am biding my time for the new translations to come out, and I am going to make my pitch for a new hymnal. I think in light of our current direction I may request that we switch from GIA to Adoremus. I think the time may be right.

What Wonderous Love is This is my current project. I really like God it Was for the next one.

 

[CatholicZ09]

This is what I suggest for next weekend:

Sunday, July 25, 2010 - Seventeenth Sunday in Ordinary Time - Year C

Processional Hymn: #368 Lord, Who At Thy First Eucharist UNDE ET MEMORES
Preparation of the Gifts: #699 Fly Like a Bird Canedo
Communion Hymn: #338 The Supper of the Lord Rosania
Recessional Hymn: #204 Beautiful Savior ST. ELIZABETH

This is what my music director has planned for next week:

Processional Hymn: #683 God, Who Created Hearts to Love LASST UNS ERFREUEN
Preparation of the Gifts: #566 Abba! Father! Landry
Communion Hymn: #678 Loving and Forgiving Soper
Recessional Hymn: #446 A Mighty Fortress EIN’ FESTE BURG

 

[pianomany2k]

Our hymnals are about fifteen years old and starting to wear. I am biding my time for the new translations to come out, and I am going to make my pitch for a new hymnal. I think in light of our current direction I may request that we switch from GIA to Adoremus.

If you can wait, do so. It’ll be much cheaper than having to replace now, and then do it again in two years.

Speaking of, according to the workshop I’m part of, it could be Advent of 2012 or 2013 before we start implementing. Apparently the Roman Missal hasn’t been finalized.

 

[benedictgal]

If you can wait, do so. It’ll be much cheaper than having to replace now, and then do it again in two years.

Speaking of, according to the workshop I’m part of, it could be Advent of 2012 or 2013 before we start implementing. Apparently the Roman Missal hasn’t been finalized.

The Austalians are going to start using the new Roman Missal sometime in Spring 2011 (possible Pentecost). The Holy Father, from sources, will probably be using the new translations when he goes to the UK in the fall. They already have the settings in place for the Mass (musical parts).

There are no real changes to be made to the new translations. The major meat of the RM has been finalized.

 

[pianomany2k]

There are no real changes to be made to the new translations. The major meat of the RM has been finalized.

Apparently there are still a few tweaks being done here in the US then. Only to the prayers done by the priest, according to the Director of Liturgy and Worship. The USCCB either hasn’t been given the ‘ok’ or they’re holding out for some unknown reason.

 

[benedictgal]

Apparently there are still a few tweaks being done here in the US then. Only to the prayers done by the priest, according to the Director of Liturgy and Worship. The USCCB either hasn’t been given the ‘ok’ or they’re holding out for some unknown reason.

Do you mean the diocesan director or the USCCB director? Evidently, Rome has not been too pleased with the delays. That is why the target date for implementation remains Advent 2011 for us. Unfortunately, I think that the publishing houses had a hand in delaying things. Rather than hijack this really good thread, there is another one on the Roman Missal.

 

[pnewton]

FYI

God It Was worked out well, finally. It is a slower 3/4 hymn and there aren’t many of those. I will probably use verse three forward for Advent.

 

[30miller]

On Friday, I begrudgingly contacted OCP to secure the licensing rights to the Spanish psalm and hymn for my cousin’s wedding. During the ordering process, …

I wonder if you would mind explaining for neophytes to this subject like myself - what exactly do you mean when you say you “secure the licensing rights to the psalm and hymn” for your cousin’s wedding? Are you saying that you must pay someone to sing a song in a Church? Do all parishes “pay” for the 4 songs we sing at Sunday Mass each week? Who gets paid and approximately how much do they get for each song sung?
Of course I have been living through the ongoing musical armageddon the Church has been suffering through for decades now - and I would find it to be an “extra” slap in the face if we are paying each Sunday for the privilege (not) of having these tunes foisted upon us. Thanks in advance for anything you can respond with.

 

[snowlake]

I wonder if you would mind explaining for neophytes to this subject like myself - what exactly do you mean when you say you “secure the licensing rights to the psalm and hymn” for your cousin’s wedding? Are you saying that you must pay someone to sing a song in a Church? Do all parishes “pay” for the 4 songs we sing at Sunday Mass each week? Who gets paid and approximately how much do they get for each song sung?
Of course I have been living through the ongoing musical armageddon the Church has been suffering through for decades now - and I would find it to be an “extra” slap in the face if we are paying each Sunday for the privilege (not) of having these tunes foisted upon us. Thanks in advance for anything you can respond with.

I have similar questions. Looking forward to the answer! Also, does the composer just get paid a lump fee, or does he/she collect something like royalties? If this can’t be answered in short without diverting attention to the thread’s subject, maybe another can be started.