Muslim Anti-Christian Youtube Jihad?

[qwerk]

very true. my original post, was to a muslim telling us we should Calm Down. kind of toungue and cheek i admit. probably not fair. but you are very correct in saying they must have a major change in behavior if they are ever going to be more accepted by the west. i feel bad for the vast majority of muslims, who are too afraid to speak, due to violence and terror aimed at them if they step out of line. i feel bad for the majority, that through no fault of their own, are caught in between in times of conflict. i think the vast majority of those who practiced islam, would just like to be left alone by their governments, and extremist. they have much to offer, in terms of positive cultural influences, education, the arts etc. i really pray that the majority does win out in the end. Peace

Why do you feel sorry for them? What about the ones in the West who don’t speak up and instead we find that Muslim Charity goes to fund the Jihadists? It isn’t like they are under Sharia laws.

I think you might be right, but the problem is that the teachings of Islam do not allow what you are writing. They would have to change Sharia laws which means they would have to change the Quran and Sunnah.

I think that some countries are trying to change some things, and it turns out that the clerics get all up in a tizzy. Egypt tried to change the age of girls to be married. The clerics got up in a tizzy that it would be un-islamic if they did that. (I think it was Egypt, I can’t find the article) Right now Egypt is trying to change what is taught in schools and stop teaching the hatred and Islamic scholars are in a tizzy.

What I am saying it isn’t the people in Islam doing the changing - it is the secular drive that is trying to change things.

I personally don’t think Islam can change if the majority do nothing and continue to sit back and be silent out of fear.

Unless they get out of their heads that the Quran is from their God, then it won’t change.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461Narrated Ubaidullah:
Ibn 'Abbas said, “Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything
while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah’s Apostle is
newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged,
and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and
Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the
scripture with their own hands and said, ‘It is from Allah,’ to sell it for a
little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you
from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man
from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!”

Since the Qur’an is Allah’s word, and his word can not be changed (Refer to 6:115,
10:15, 10:64 & 18:27 above.) The violent ayats can not be removed or reinterpreted.3:78 And verily, among them is a party who distort the Book with their tongues (as they
read), so that you may think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book, and they
say: “This is from Allâh,” but it is not from Allâh; and they speak a lie against Allâh
while they know it.

There is plenty more of the above too. So even though many would just carry on life as usual - many would not.

We saw this after the Ottoman Empire fell. There was about 4 years of peace (that can be relative too!) and then a man called al-Bana reared up and started his movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, based on the Quran and Sunnah.

 

[qwerk]

I can give you another example. In America we had peace and Muslims were ‘doing their thing’ and we were doing ours but since 9/11 the masses of Muslims are doing little to nothing to stop the violence being taught in the mosques. We are finding more and more of them teaching the violent Jihad and hatred towards others.

And the Muslims are not out working to stop it in their communities, they are here and in blogs and on news forums trying to tell us that we are the ones misunderstanding Islam. There is a lot of energy out there, and it isn’t directed at changing their own. When I see a Muslim trying to stop Sharia there are death threats against him. In our country, he gets death threats, but he still moves forward.

At some point people have to stand for what is right if they are to be believed that they are against Sharia and for peace. But I just don’t see a massive number of the Muslim community doing that.

 

[benidict]

I can give you another example. In America we had peace and Muslims were ‘doing their thing’ and we were doing ours but since 9/11 the masses of Muslims are doing little to nothing to stop the violence being taught in the mosques. We are finding more and more of them teaching the violent Jihad and hatred towards others.

And the Muslims are not out working to stop it in their communities, they are here and in blogs and on news forums trying to tell us that we are the ones misunderstanding Islam. There is a lot of energy out there, and it isn’t directed at changing their own. When I see a Muslim trying to stop Sharia there are death threats against him. In our country, he gets death threats, but he still moves forward.

At some point people have to stand for what is right if they are to be believed that they are against Sharia and for peace. But I just don’t see a massive number of the Muslim community doing that.

read my post more carefully. i said i feal sorry for the INNOCENT people out there who practice their religion. so i take it your ok when some kid who had a mental disability, is hooked with explosives to kill my brothers and sisters in arms. we shouldnt feel sorry for such an individual. after all, just a mentally retarded muslim! to say you dont care about the innocent, or that there are not any innocent, shows a lack of sense on your part. im actually doing something to combat terrorism. but i refuse to lump the innocent in with the guilty. i am well aware of the problems within the extremist wing of this faith. and the reason the peaceful ones are silent, probably has something to do with wanting to live another day. i did not hear an outcry from the christian community, when the muslims were being murdered by their christian neighbors. in the former yugoslavia. it took intervention by the U.S. government to end that conflict. i really do not care who the agressor is. christian or muslim. its all the same. would you like to be caught in the middle, if the fundamentalist in our faith started using these tactics? Peace

 

[qwerk]

read my post more carefully. i said i feal sorry for the INNOCENT people out there who practice their religion. so i take it your ok when some kid who had a mental disability, is hooked with explosives to kill my brothers and sisters in arms. we shouldnt feel sorry for such an individual. after all, just a mentally retarded muslim! to say you dont care about the innocent, or that there are not any innocent, shows a lack of sense on your part. im actually doing something to combat terrorism. but i refuse to lump the innocent in with the guilty.
hey maybe you, could help me. what is the difference in the mentallity of a fundamentalist christian, as opposed to a fundamentalist muslim? none that i can see. the fundy, just hasnt begun using violence to push his view yet! Peace

The ones with a mental disability are not that predominate. It is a myth being perpetrated by the liberal left wing. I think you need to go back to the teachings of both. The real child abuse is the fact that they take children as young as pre-school age and start teaching them to hate and to want to wage Jihad against non-Muslims. And this sort of thing has been found in mosques even here in the USA.

As for a ‘lack of sense’, you are just projecting yourself onto me so please stop that. I won’t bash you if you do not bash me. I will keep this to talking about Islam if you can do that too. The ones posting those Jihad videos on youtube are not mental retards. And some we are finding are reverts to Islam from our own Western countries who are not retards. Many are college educated or very bright people who are now out there in such countries as Pakistan, Yemen, etc who are learning how to fight. Many are Muslims born here in the USA who are learning about Jihad in those very same mosques that are now being caught teaching violence, or Jihad.

Christ did not teach that killing non-Christians will get that fundamentalist into heaven. Or if they die while killing non-Christians will make them a marytr and they can name 70 others to go straight to heaven too just because they died while killing non-Christians. This is why our communities do not celebrate after someone dies as a martyr like Muslim communities do. They celebrate as if it were a wedding. Muslims around the word were caught celebrating after 9/11. Now they blame the Jews for what they were caught doing, but neither Jews nor any non-Muslim I know celebrate such carnage levied against anyone. Why do Muslims come out in hordes after one of their violent ones kill ours in a killing spree and not try to stop, or change, the teachings in the Quran and Sunnah (that Sharia laws are based on), but instead only claim they are victims? We cannot change their religion and laws - they have to do it and they do nothing but try to divert attention off of their Jihadists. Major Hasan was a Jihadist. The Time Square bomber was a Jihadist. The panty hose bomber was a Jihadist. The 17 who killed on 9/11 were Jihadists and many others who either succeeded or failed, worldwide, to kill are … Jihadists. Something that people are trying to write out of the terrorist docs, but whether or not we write it out doesn’t matter - they are Jihadists.

Christ did not say that Jihad, or continual warfare, while in non-Christian lands is a requirement to be saved. Christ did not say that one must deceive others if it advanced Christianity. The 7th pillar of Islam is just that - Jihad. And the first line of Sharia laws that explain Jihad (o9), ‘…to war against the non-Muslim…’.

Kafir is the unbeliever, or non-Muslim. One who fights against Islam. And that be as simply as rejecting Islam, one how does not answer the call to Islam.

From political Islam’s website:
62% of Koran is devoted to how Islam interacts with the Kafir
98% of the Sira is devoted to the struggle against kafirs.
70% is jihad;
28% is argument and insults.
20% of Bhukari Hadith is devoted to jihad.

 

[benidict]

The ones with a mental disability are not that predominate. It is a myth being perpetrated by the liberal left wing. I think you need to go back to the teachings of both. The real child abuse is the fact that they take children as young as pre-school age and start teaching them to hate and to want to wage Jihad against non-Muslims. And this sort of thing has been found in mosques even here in the USA.

As for a ‘lack of sense’, you are just projecting yourself onto me so please stop that. I won’t bash you if you do not bash me. I will keep this to talking about Islam if you can do that too. The ones posting those Jihad videos on youtube are not mental retards. And some we are finding are reverts to Islam from our own Western countries who are not retards. Many are college educated or very bright people who are now out there in such countries as Pakistan, Yemen, etc who are learning how to fight. Many are Muslims born here in the USA who are learning about Jihad in those very same mosques that are now being caught teaching violence, or Jihad.

Christ did not teach that killing non-Christians will get that fundamentalist into heaven. Or if they die while killing non-Christians will make them a marytr and they can name 70 others to go straight to heaven too just because they died while killing non-Christians.

Christ did not say that Jihad, or continual warfare, while in non-Christian lands is a requirement to be saved. Christ did not say that one must deceive others if it advanced Christianity. The 7th pillar of Islam is just that - Jihad. And the first line of Sharia laws that explain Jihad (o9), ‘…to war against the non-Muslim…’.

Kafir is the unbeliever, or non-Muslim. One who fights against Islam. And that be as simply as rejecting Islam, one how does not answer the call to Islam.

From political Islam’s website:
62% of Koran is devoted to how Islam interacts with the Kafir
98% of the Sira is devoted to the struggle against kafirs.
70% is jihad;
28% is argument and insults.
20% of Bhukari Hadith is devoted to jihad.

not a view perpetrated by the left wing. i could care less about the media. left or right. this is testamony from my brothers actually fighting this war. and part of the problem with way we are combating the extremist wing, is the politics that are dragged into it. this is a human rights issue. not a left or right issue.

 

[qwerk]

not a view perpetrated by the left wing. i could care less about the media. left or right. this is testamony from my brothers actually fighting this war. and part of the problem with way we are combating the extremist wing, is the politics that are dragged into it. this is a human rights issue. not a left or right issue.

The human rights of millions of Christians being persecuted, driven from their homes and their children kidnapped and raped is a very real one in Muslim countries and around their borders. I should include Hindus also since the Jihadist threat in India is very real.

The crimes against non-Muslims in Europe is rising (Eurasia, While Europe Slept, Menace in Europe) and especially against Jews. Antisemitism is rising, and I have been experiencing that in the UC Campuses here in California. We have gone rounds with the leadership and the Muslim Student Unions, or Associations, that are behind this growing trend. This growing antisemitism is not unique on the UC campuses either, it is growing around the USA and Canada.

You are right though, the worst human rights disasters are in Muslim countries. They still have slavery, they abuse their women and children, and the people who are subjugated under Islam.

And the propaganda that the Muslims are the ones being abused is just that - propaganda. There is little factual basis to it. In those books I mention, the crimes against Musilms is almost non-existent. If a non-Muslim goes into one of the Muslim ‘sensitive areas’ they take their lives in their hands. There are riots perpetrated by Muslims and they rename them to ‘Asians’, or ‘youths’, and are being dishonest in the media. Jews are fleeing such countries as Sweden of all places. I know a German lady who say the Muslims are using ‘Nazi like’ tactics in Germany. And she is a Christian, not a Jew, who fled Germany because she saw a growing threat. Well, one day there will be nowhere to flee because this unrest is here on our shores too.

Non-muslims have no rights or freedoms under Sharia laws. When they accept subjugation under Islam they got a right to be a Christian or a Jew, but not much else. And they are to feel humiliated. And people not of the book, or selected groups, don’t even have the option of subjugation. They only have the options of dying or reverting to Islam.

That is the real human rights disasters. More Muslims die by Muslim violence than by anyone else. And even al-Husseini was noted to use Jewish bodies to claim that they were Muslims killed by others to claim that the Muslims were the victims. Just as Hamas did in the Gaza/Israeli war, just as Hezbollah did in the Israeli/Lebanon war, the Jihadists hide behind women and children and if they die will use them as propaganda.

 

[qwerk]

The media, or mainstream media (MSM), is controlled by the liberal left wing. Obama is writing out Jihad and anything Islamic in regards to terror. The Universities are liberal left wing institutions who allow the Muslim Brotherhood’s MSA to continue with their antisemitism that grows.

Here are some articles at what is happening at UC Irvine, and the last one is a former General telling us what Hezbollah is doing. And what we will hear is the usual propaganda that Israel started this, that Israel is killing Muslims, that Israel should not protect herself, and as for UC Irvine we won’t hear anything from the MSM about what the Muslim STudent Unions do on campuses throughout the USA.

Students Break Silence & Respond to Irvine 11

afiuci.org/blog/general/45-uci-students-break-silence-a-respond-to-irvine-11

Blog Posts
•AFI presents Isidor Nussenbaum
•Six Nobel Laureates Counter Statements on Israel Divestment Issue at UC Berkeley
afiuci.org/blog/general/55-six-nobel-laureates-counter-statements-on-israel-divestment-issue-at-uc-berkeley
•The MSU Plot to Silence Israel’s Ambassador
afiuci.org/blog/general/50-the-msu-plot-to-silence-israels-ambassador
•Assemblyman DeVore seeks ban of Muslim Student Union from UCI
afiuci.org/blog/general/48-assemblyman-devore-seeks-ban-of-msu-from-uci
•Rep. Campbell calls for immediate action against students and MSU
afiuci.org/blog/general/47-rep-campbell-calls-for-immediate-action-against-students-and-msu

Former US General Warns of Chemical Attacks Against Israel

Potential Hezbollah offensive includes chemically armed SCUD missiles with a 450 km range, preemptive strikes on air fields, and a wave of tunnel attacks that cross from Lebanon into Israel.
pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=136

 

[DeusVult09]

Ok this thread has gone on a huge tangent, isn’t anyone else concerned about the concerted attempt on you tube by Muslims to eradicate the Christian faith ? doesn’t anyone think it’s a good Idea that some catholic apologists set up a YT channel to dispel these lies. I have started up a blog devoted to the subject of refuting these Muslim lies laveracruz09.blogspot.com/

Does anyone have any thought or ideas about the situation?

 

[Itsyourlife123]

Ok this thread has gone on a huge tangent, isn’t anyone else concerned about the concerted attempt on you tube by Muslims to eradicate the Christian faith ? doesn’t anyone think it’s a good Idea that some catholic apologists set up a YT channel to dispel these lies. I have started up a blog devoted to the subject of refuting these Muslim lies laveracruz09.blogspot.com/

Does anyone have any thought or ideas about the situation?

Deus,

Your intention is fine, but you’re not going to be able to do this on your own. There is also much information available on the internet factually refuting the ridiculous claims of islam. Unfortunately for us, there are many ignoramuses even amongst self-professed ‘christians’ who fail to recognize the enemy until its too late. Some even question your aggression.

You see, a lot of what is happening is pre-destined. Just like some moderators here knowingly or un-knowingly work for the devil by shutting out factual posts that reveals lies and absurdities and banning people who speaks the truth. Together with the blind sympathizers, these people (some moderators included) all join together to snuff out the truth. It is for this reason that this world is damned. And in their violent damnation these drag others into the Abyss with them.

The only hope left now is for Jesus Christ to appear, judge all and send these straight to eternal Hell for perpetual burning.

.

 

[DeusVult09]

Deus,

Your intention is fine, but you’re not going to be able to do this on your own. There is also much information available on the internet factually refuting the ridiculous claims of islam. Unfortunately for us, there are many ignoramuses even amongst self-professed ‘christians’ who fail to recognize the enemy until its too late. Some even question your aggression.

You see, a lot of what is happening is pre-destined. Just like some moderators here knowingly or un-knowingly work for the devil by shutting out factual posts that reveals lies and absurdities and banning people who speaks the truth. Together with the blind sympathizers, these people (some moderators included) all join together to snuff out the truth. It is for this reason that this world is damned. And in their violent damnation these drag others into the Abyss with them.

The only hope left now is for Jesus Christ to appear, judge all and send these straight to eternal Hell for perpetual burning.

.

I know I cant do this on my own that is why I suggested catholic answers start up a youtube channel with educated catholic apologists responding to these claims. I just think its good to be pro -active and militantly defend our faith rather than doing nothing. We through the truth of Christ can save souls from perpetual burning as the truth has the power to set everyone free. And to not show people this truth and allow them to get taken in by Islamic lies is a crime in my opinion. Every soul counts and every person taken in by lies must be shown the truth. Im not saying I can do it by myself as I cant im only a mere human. only Christ can but some effort to respond to these lies will do a lot of good. That’s all im saying. I was a very anti-Christian agnostic before Christ revealed himself to me so to he can for anyone but they must have an open heart and these lies give people closed hearts. By countering them
we can allow people to honestly explore who Jesus was and what he did etc. your talk of people being pre-destined to go hell sounds a bit like calvinism to me.

 

[dzheremi]

DeusValt, might I humbly suggest that you remove references to “Muslim lies” or “Islamic lies” from your blog, and perhaps change the picture to something a little less…um…Crusader-y? I know, I know, “appeasement”, “cowardice”, etc., but I must say that, trying to look at it from the perspective of the Muslim visitor or casual reader (the people you are trying to reach, no doubt), it looks rather intimidating and likely to put on the offensive people who might otherwise be receptive to having their impressions of Christianity corrected.

The thing about calling Islamic distortions of the Bible and Christianity “lies” is that a lie has to have some respect for the truth in order to be a lie. Since the Islamic claims about our religion by and large do not really relate to the truth of Christianity that we, the people who actually practice it, know and live, it is hard to really think of them in that way. If I say that the sky is purple when it is obvious to everyone (including me) that the sky is actually blue, then I’m a liar. If I say that the sky is purple and everyone around me agrees because we’re all reading a book of anti-blue sky propaganda that doesn’t teach us a darn thing about the sky except that it is purple and not blue, then am I really a “liar”? Or am I just regurgitating the only opinion I’ve ever been told is valid, perhaps at least partly because if I start asking what color the sky really is I might find myself being blasted through it in short order by someone who cannot handle the idea that it could ever be anything but purple?

Yes, it’s a ridiculous and stupid analogy, and some might argue it is not a great point to make, but I just know from interaction with many Muslims that they will not respond in anything like a positive fashion to anything they perceive to be maligning Islam, no matter how obvious it is to outsiders. It is always best to meet people where they are, even if that involves being more courteous than your heart wants you to be (I’m definitely guilty of this myself, particularly with regard to Islam).

 

[qwerk]

Ok this thread has gone on a huge tangent, isn’t anyone else concerned about the concerted attempt on you tube by Muslims to eradicate the Christian faith ? doesn’t anyone think it’s a good Idea that some catholic apologists set up a YT channel to dispel these lies. I have started up a blog devoted to the subject of refuting these Muslim lies laveracruz09.blogspot.com/

Does anyone have any thought or ideas about the situation?

muhammadtube.com disputes Muslim lies in various areas of the Bible, and the Muslim’s own texts.

There is a man on youtube whose id is AhmadsQuran3 who has a series of videos telling the truth about Islam.

There is SG1963 on youtube who does the same. There are more out there.

Truthtube.tv dispels islam’s claims.

Here is a good video site abnsat.com/ for videos on two Christian guys, sometimes more, who debate Muslims. They take on their texts and refute them. They know Arabic so the Muslims can’t use the excuse they have to read the Quran in Arabic.

 

[qwerk]

I know I cant do this on my own that is why I suggested catholic answers start up a youtube channel with educated catholic apologists responding to these claims. I just think its good to be pro -active and militantly defend our faith rather than doing nothing. We through the truth of Christ can save souls from perpetual burning as the truth has the power to set everyone free. And to not show people this truth and allow them to get taken in by Islamic lies is a crime in my opinion. Every soul counts and every person taken in by lies must be shown the truth. Im not saying I can do it by myself as I cant im only a mere human. only Christ can but some effort to respond to these lies will do a lot of good. That’s all im saying. I was a very anti-Christian agnostic before Christ revealed himself to me so to he can for anyone but they must have an open heart and these lies give people closed hearts. By countering them
we can allow people to honestly explore who Jesus was and what he did etc. your talk of people being pre-destined to go hell sounds a bit like calvinism to me.

I don’t find too much use in any one from the Catholic clergy or apologists that deal with Islam very well. I find it from the other sects of Christianity. I used to be a Catholic so I am not so alien to Catholicism. The one group that I found to be the best is in the previous post that I mentioned. Go to abnsat.com/ and select ‘online videos’ on the bar on the top. From there select ‘Jesus or Muhammad’ for a list of videos that they have done extensive research on and take callers of which many are Muslims. Like I said in the previous post they know Arabic, and will reference the Quran in Arab or one of the translations.

 

[DeusVult09]

DeusValt, might I humbly suggest that you remove references to “Muslim lies” or “Islamic lies” from your blog, and perhaps change the picture to something a little less…um…Crusader-y? I know, I know, “appeasement”, “cowardice”, etc., but I must say that, trying to look at it from the perspective of the Muslim visitor or casual reader (the people you are trying to reach, no doubt), it looks rather intimidating and likely to put on the offensive people who might otherwise be receptive to having their impressions of Christianity corrected.

The thing about calling Islamic distortions of the Bible and Christianity “lies” is that a lie has to have some respect for the truth in order to be a lie. Since the Islamic claims about our religion by and large do not really relate to the truth of Christianity that we, the people who actually practice it, know and live, it is hard to really think of them in that way. If I say that the sky is purple when it is obvious to everyone (including me) that the sky is actually blue, then I’m a liar. If I say that the sky is purple and everyone around me agrees because we’re all reading a book of anti-blue sky propaganda that doesn’t teach us a darn thing about the sky except that it is purple and not blue, then am I really a “liar”? Or am I just regurgitating the only opinion I’ve ever been told is valid, perhaps at least partly because if I start asking what color the sky really is I might find myself being blasted through it in short order by someone who cannot handle the idea that it could ever be anything but purple?

Yes, it’s a ridiculous and stupid analogy, and some might argue it is not a great point to make, but I just know from interaction with many Muslims that they will not respond in anything like a positive fashion to anything they perceive to be maligning Islam, no matter how obvious it is to outsiders. It is always best to meet people where they are, even if that involves being more courteous than your heart wants you to be (I’m definitely guilty of this myself, particularly with regard to Islam).

Dzheremi if it is not truth then what is it? it is a lie and calling it anything else is just political correctness.

Secondly my picture has nothing to do with the crusades but the reconquista my name santiaguista means a follower of the order of Santiago who w re an order of knights who defended Spain from Islam. It is these knights who are depicted on my blog and they had nothing what so ever to do with the crusades.

It is there not because I am advocating holy war but because I believe that we should defend our religion with the same spirit. For me they are a symbol of resistance and that’s why they are there.

Back to your argument about maligning Islam I never once on my blog have said anything bad about Islam or their beliefs. my focus is defending Christianity not maligning or attacking Islam. Again my reference to lies is accurate because that’s what they are exactly the bible being twisted to suit their own beliefs which I believe to be a lie against the truth of the gospel and I think labeling it as anything else out of a desire to be politically correct is false.

 

[DeusVult09]

I don’t find too much use in any one from the Catholic clergy or apologists that deal with Islam very well. I find it from the other sects of Christianity. I used to be a Catholic so I am not so alien to Catholicism. The one group that I found to be the best is in the previous post that I mentioned. Go to abnsat.com/ and select ‘online videos’ on the bar on the top. From there select ‘Jesus or Muhammad’ for a list of videos that they have done extensive research on and take callers of which many are Muslims. Like I said in the previous post they know Arabic, and will reference the Quran in Arab or one of the translations.

That’s just the problem catholic apologetics mainly focuses on responding to protestants and virtually ignores Islam altogether. I think catholic apologists should do more to defend the faith from these attacks as they have the knowledge and the means to. I know ahmed’s koran 3 he has some interesting videos but obviously he is not a catholic apologist, his main focus is exposing islam not defending catholocism so yeah i just think more needs to be done by catholics to counter muslim youtube propaganda

 

[dzheremi]

Dzheremi if it is not truth then what is it? it is a lie and calling it anything else is just political correctness.

For the majority of the world’s Muslims, who know very little or nothing about Christianity outside of what is written in the Qur’an, I would say it is Muhammad’s misunderstanding of Christianity passed down to them by no real fault of their own (in the case of born Muslims, anyway).

Secondly my picture has nothing to do with the crusades but the reconquista my name santiaguista means a follower of the order of Santiago who w re an order of knights who defended Spain from Islam. It is these knights who are depicted on my blog and they had nothing what so ever to do with the crusades.

Alright, then. I did not say it was from the Crusades (I did read the sidebar, and besides the name of obvious to me because I speak the language), but it evokes that image of the crusader (in the way that the word is commonly used in Islamic circles).

It is there not because I am advocating holy war but because I believe that we should defend our religion with the same spirit. For me they are a symbol of resistance and that’s why they are there.

Good, good. What I read of the arguments is commendable. My minor suggestions are only because I know that being called a liar for believing in something makes me defensive. I become defensive when Muslims argue that way about Christians, and certainly it makes me less likely to listen to their arguments. I can only assume that the reverse applies. So it is not that I think you’re wrong – far from it. I just can’t see this strategy as being very effective in actually reaching Muslims.

Back to your argument about maligning Islam I never once on my blog have said anything bad about Islam or their beliefs. my focus is defending Christianity not maligning or attacking Islam.

Hold on. I did not argue that you were maligning Islam. I said that Muslims are likely to shut down at what they perceive as maligning Islam, such as calling arguments based on a Qur’anic understanding of Christianity (which is wrong, of course, since Muhammad was ignorant of Christianity) lies.

Again my reference to lies is accurate because that’s what they are exactly the bible being twisted to suit their own beliefs which I believe to be a lie against the truth of the gospel and I think labeling it as anything else out of a desire to be politically correct is false.

Alright. Just so we’re clear, though, I am not advocating political correctness, I am arguing for effective outreach to people who need to know the truth. I have called probably more than one Muslim regular here on CAF a liar when I felt it was the best way to describe them, the difference being that they had been shown a thousand times over what Christians truly believe and still insisted on lying in service of the Qur’an by making things up about the Bible. With the average Muslim, I am not sure it is wise to assume that they have the same level of familiarity with Christianity as I would expect of Muslims who post here regularly, since the CAF Muslims have sought out Christians (something most Muslims do not do). That’s all.

 

[MrZetterlund]

Everybody bashes Christianity on YouTube. It’s funny, it seems we’re the prime target.

 

[DeusVult09]

For the majority of the world’s Muslims, who know very little or nothing about Christianity outside of what is written in the Qur’an, I would say it is Muhammad’s misunderstanding of Christianity passed down to them by no real fault of their own (in the case of born Muslims, anyway). .

Yes that’s the problem Muslims know nothing of Christianity and read the material of Islamic websites like answering Christianity and just parrot their lies and propaganda without ever examining it honestly.

Alright, then. I did not say it was from the Crusades (I did read the sidebar, and besides the name of obvious to me because I speak the language), but it evokes that image of the crusader (in the way that the word is commonly used in Islamic circles). .

Its is not my intention to evoke imagery of the crusades I am just an admirer of the knights of Santiago

Good, good. What I read of the arguments is commendable. My minor suggestions are only because I know that being called a liar for believing in something makes me defensive. I become defensive when Muslims argue that way about Christians, and certainly it makes me less likely to listen to their arguments. I can only assume that the reverse applies. So it is not that I think you’re wrong – far from it. I just can’t see this strategy as being very effective in actually reaching Muslims.

its just for me anything else but the truth of Christ is a lie any attempts to twist the bile to get it to support Islamic views and to misrepresent Christian history is al I am not hesitant for calling it what it is. And if that offends Muslims well I really cant help that. I hope my materials do reach Muslims and enlighten them but my main goal is to inform Catholics who are getting taken in by these lies against Christianity.

Alright. Just so we’re clear, though, I am not advocating political correctness, I am arguing for effective outreach to people who need to know the truth. I have called probably more than one Muslim regular here on CAF a liar when I felt it was the best way to describe them, the difference being that they had been shown a thousand times over what Christians truly believe and still insisted on lying in service of the Qur’an by making things up about the Bible. With the average Muslim, I am not sure it is wise to assume that they have the same level of familiarity with Christianity as I would expect of Muslims who post here regularly, since the CAF Muslims have sought out Christians (something most Muslims do not do). That’s all.

ok, I don’t personally call Muslims liars on my website but I have no qualms about calling their propaganda lies. Muslims often lie about what Christians believe, that we believe in 3 gods and one died etc Muslims who come to CAF are missionaries who think they know all about Christianity after listening to some ahmed dedat lectures and then seek to inform us about Mohammad in the bible or that Jesus never claimed to be god. They blatantly twist scripture to achieve such aims. I remember issued to debate this really misinformed Muslim on here about Mohammad in the bible especially in the song of Solomon I cant remember his name. you probably know him he was really so ignorant of the bible.

I think many Muslims are annoyed by the inroads that evangelical Christianity has made into some of their countries and some of the claims made by some evangelicals about the Koran so they have resolved to bombard the internet with propaganda and with conversion testimonies of ex -Christian pastors and ex-catholic priests who converted in the hopes of preventing further converts. I think that is what really provoked it.

 

[DeusVult09]

Everybody bashes Christianity on YouTube. It’s funny, it seems we’re the prime target.

yes your right muslims, jews and athiests all bash christianity on youtube. soemtimes i think youtube has had a very negative effect upon people.

 

[MrZetterlund]

yes your right muslims, jews and athiests all bash christianity on youtube. soemtimes i think youtube has had a very negative effect upon people.

Why did you stop there? Buddhists and UFOlogists are just as bad. I had recently joined a Buddhist forum site and was banned in under 24 hours! I didn’t even do anything!
I used to have faith that people could discern the obvious prejudice portrayed in the atheist propaganda compared to the Christian propoganda. But not anymore.