Why don’t you preach it to the Islamists. They are the ones bombing Churches during Mass. I don’t disagree with alot of what you said. I disagree with your attitude that being opposed to Islam somehow makes one a bigot. The fear and hate come from Islam.
I didn’t say that being opposed to Islam makes one a bigot. I am not a Muslim and do not wish to become one. I do think, however, that any attempt to create fear in the Muslim community, or to think that Islam should be proscribed in America or to insinuate that Muslims cannot be American because their religion is somehow fundamentally different from our own, is bigotry and needs to be labeled as such. What are the things you wish to do to show your opposition to Islam? If they involve the stripping away of legitimate rights from those who claim Islam as their own faith, then that is bigotry. As for preaching to the Islamists, I’m not sure what your definition of that term is. I will note, however, that in my very first post in this thread I spoke to a Muslim and underscored the necessity of religious communities to challenge one another when they fall away from the love that God has called all of us to. Fear and hate come from evil, not Islam or Christianity or any other religious body. Individuals who claim to be members of these religious communities may live in fear and hatred of the other, but in doing so they fail to live out the basic creed of their own faith.
Of course the Lord will be. This is His Kingdom all of it, His. We live my His Mercy by the moment to the next. Life without Him, is equal to the flesh living without air.
We all worry in this sense as Catholic’s/Christians I “think”. I assure you, you and I do. I also pray for all daily.
I’m convinced the Martyrs felt no pain, Being as I already died in war being shot 5X I know it for a fact. They were covered by Gods hand. The human body only consumes so much pain before shock is a reality and it is no longer in pain. The soul is then outside the body. I have no fear of death, I would die this second for God if its His will. There could be nothing more noble you could possibly do for God than spill your Blood as He did on the Cross. I’m sure of it.
I hear you here, I would conversate with you on this on another level on a different thread PM or place. Quickly though, I’m also convinced this is just a natural fear and its part of the process of God living within the Soul yet the Soul still trapped in the flesh.
World wide Islam would be equal to satan completely enslaving mankind. You have a choice today to stop this through the Blessed Mother and there is no other choice. When Gods Mercy is pushed to the limit, then His people will do as He wills.There are hundreds of thousands of Christians in this country who fled muslim oppression in countries with muslim majorities. There are lots of Assyrians in California…just talk to one of them if you want to know what life will be like with a heavily muslim country.
I don’t fear or hate Muslims, quite the opposite! I feel pity that they have fallen prey to it’s deception. But you are thinking with your Christian mindset. Christianity and Islam are not the same. Will peaceful Muslims fight for you to be Christian or pressure you to become Muslim? When Islam dominates an area there is no religious freedom. I hate the soul enslaving Satanic religion known as Islam. I know someone that married a Muslim and moved to Malaysia. He is regretting it and lives in fear. Islam is shoved down his throat daily.
How far do you go? Do you enforce laws stating that Homosexual marriages must be performed where ever it is requested whether that be a wedding hall or a Catholic Church? One the one hand your claiming you don’t roll over, on the otherhand your described exactly how you are rolling over and allowing these minority groups to do whatever they want.
Yep, the sad part is that typically the relativist typically can’t see what it is they’re doing. Instead they falsly convince them selves “well, we just say we will do xyz but just expect that the otherside won’t push the boundry”. Wrong, this is a false premise. You do not put these groups on the honor system, you have to keep them in check.
There it is, and thats not being a bigot or racist, Its called skeptical philosophy and just smart thinking. And being able to stand up and speak your mind when you see wrong.
I don’t wish to be put into the position of defending Islam. I’m not defending Islam or the laws and religious mindset found in many countries where Islam is a dominant religion. What I am trying to say is that there is a way of engaging with people from different belief systems, including Islam, which Christians, expressed in their own Gospel and demonstrated by the actions of Christ himself, are bound to follow. Our actions towards others should not be determined by the hateful and prejudicial actions of those who profess a different belief. If a mob of Hindu extremists should burn Christian churches in India, we are not called upon to burn Hindu temples or kill Hindus. We have our own belief system, taught by Christ, which we should follow. This includes tolerance towards those who hate us. It includes protecting strangers in our midst. It includes loving those who persecute us. There may be times when the Christian community is under such extreme pressure that a violent reaction against injustice is called for, but for the most part, we are called upon to emulate the actions of Jesus who turned the other cheek. It is only in this way that Christians can become a light to the nations, a city on a hill, or the salt of the Earth.
I believe I answered your question in my post. We should attempt to accommodate the needs of minority communities in our midst to the degree that we can without betraying or giving up those values which define us as a community. To understand where that point is requires dialogue between the dominant and the minority communities. It requires the rule of law and a working through the justice system. It requires a mutual respect and desire to understand the other. I think there are many institutions in society, including our church communities, where mutual respect and understanding can be promoted. Indeed, the first step towards mutual understanding often takes place between religious communities. I believe this is often the Spirit of God at work. Of course I don’t believe Islamic Sharia law should be a part of our justice system in America, but rather than demonize Muslims who think otherwise, I would first seek understanding about the kind of society we wish to create and how Muslims can fit into that society. I think Christians and Muslims would find that there is more in our religious beliefs which unite us than separates us.
You do not hate them or discriminate against them or cause undo harm to them . . . you just keep them in check. What does that mean? Ghettos? Separate but equal laws? Cattle prods? “Make sure they are not pushing the ebb and flow of everyday life for the rest of us?” Do you mean that Muslims cannot wear distinctive garb which stresses their affiliation with Islam? Do you mean that mosques should not be allowed to summon the faithful to prayer? Does this mean that Christian churches should not be allowed to ring bells on Sunday? Actually, when you get down to the nitty gritty of keeping people “in check”, it looks a lot like hatred, discrimination and harm to me.
Yes, but you do know that Muslims don’t believe any of that right?
No, it doesn’t… What it does mean is you don’t give into demands which compramise natural law, revealed morality and the rights of the majority. No ghettos, you see that would be “undo harm”. No “worker camps”, again discrimination and undo harm.
In fact, this is just one more example of what you have put your self in leage with:
Still jumping up and down to continue the course you have set your self on?
Islam is not merely a religion. It has a religious component, but it is a complete system of life, much more than a religion. We have been deluded for decades about what Islam really is. If it is merely a religion, then our Constitution protects its followers. But if it is a total system of life including its own system of laws (Sharia) then it is contrary to our Constitution and must not be tolerated. The religious aspect of Islam is like the Trojan Horse that allows the other components into our nation and other nations, and then the other components can take over and allow Islam to dominate. That is what Muslims are supposed to do, to gain the world for Allah. In any way necessary - thus, there have been over 16,000 deadly terrorist attacks just since 9/11/2001.
I’m not concerned with how Muslims live their faith, but how I live mine. Not all Muslims broke out in violence at the Pope’s statement. Not all Muslims are targeting Christians. We should be careful about tarring all Muslims with the reprehensible actions of some. Having said that, I think it is appropriate for Christians and people of other faiths to challenge Muslims when they fail to live up to the very creeds they profess. This is why dialogue and mutual respect are so necessary today. Dialogue is born of trust. What is lacking, I believe, are forums by which trust between people of differing faiths can develope and mature.
There now…don’t we all feel better?
:hug1::hug3:Crazzeto, I fear you are not reading my posts very carefully. Please refer to post # 70, specifically the second sentence of that post. Perhaps we are closer in opinion that you realize.