Muslim bigotry

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Tsuwano said:
I suppose your comment is directed towards my comment that the Crusades, though condoned and supported by the Church, were not peaceful, even though I agree that the Church doesn’t teach violence . . . at least not in the 21st century, which indeed, is the century we live in. You weren’t really in doubt, were you?
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So, you oppose any sort of just war theory that was used at the time? As Muslims murdered, destroyed and almost consumed all of Europe? Was St. Francis wrong? Was Aquinas wrong? Was Pius V wrong? Let me guess, now you will bridge that into saying that us that oppose Islam are no better then crusaders?
It was a different time and liberals will always use the ploy you’re doing to guilt Catholics that oppose Islam and speak Truth.
 
JaredM said:
Actually there are. There are a lot of anti-abortion terrorist groups, along with the KKK, Christian Identity, and radical traditionalist Catholic groups.
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Actually King who’s in charge of Homeland Security was on Good Morning America last week and stated there are no “Christian Groups” on the goverment watch list. You could google the show and article.
 
Of course there nuts out here. The country is 75% christian. How is the Arian Brotherhood Christian? Who thinks Nazi Germany is cool? There are misguided people. The KKK from the last century.?

You using a loose artical from Wikipedia and you could Read what Homeland Security just stated on the News a week ago.

And when we have a problem with nuts running around we correct it. Isn’t that what we do? We don’t enable it thats for sure.
 
Tsuwano said:
There you go again. What do you mean when you say we should bring things to a head before it gets out of hand? What, exactly, are you advocating? Why is it false to draw a distinction between extremists and moderates when the line obviously exists? Do you think Sharia law exists in the USA? Is that the country you think should dump sharia law or do you think we should simply force those countries which live under sharia law to dump their own laws? How would you suggest going about that? And while we are at it, please let me know what your experience is in countries where Islam is a dominant religion. You must obviously have some negative experiences since you seem so emotional about it all.
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There I go again rejecting Sheria law, the very tool used by people such as those Ethiopian Muslims to oppress it’s citizenry. Did you know that pre-war afghanistan was guided by Sheria? All those tribal regions in Pakistan where women are oppress brutally, and Christians are murdered via being set on fire. Where all this behaviour is not just tolorated but encouraged.

Beleive it or not, I’ve spent a good while studying Islam. I’m not some nieve person who doesn’t know what it is and there for doesn’t like it. I know what I don’t like about Islam, and I don’t want it here. Period. Muslims individually? Whole nother matter, I know many and I like all muslims I have personally met. These are the so called “moderates”, or to be qutie frank those who don’t take their faith quite as seriously as one ought to.
 
JaredM said:
I would classify them all as followers of Jesus. No matter how horrible there acts are.
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And I would contend that there is no such thing as a “Christian” terrorist group. Just like Charles Manson is not really Jesus.
 
So where do we go from here? Sharia Law isn’t actually a problem yet? So don’t worry about your children or their’s? Compare Islam issues to fringe nut cults in the USA?

There are entire countrys enslaved by Islam. The world slavery issue today is directly related to Islam.

As a country, the USA, thats the mistake we constantly make. We minimize everything, then the desensitivity process begins. No different with the Drug Wars or Crime Rate of the inner city.

When we don’t shine a light on the problem. Then are we addressing the problem or becoming part of it by avoiding it and accepting it? You have to accept a negative behavior for it to esclate. I’ll be your friend, but I won’t accept your negativity.

“History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people”

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
 
I posted on such a debate once before,only to suggest,that we should get used to a muslim
type world order,for not only is it so written that brother will betray brother…ect,but to befriend a Muslim neighbour(where we have no choice)usually could not affect them to reflect upon there
core beliefs.

There solemnity is close to animal like especially,when it comes from christiandom.
 
mark_avery said:
I posted on such a debate once before,only to suggest,that we should get used to a muslim
type world order,for not only is it so written that brother will betray brother…ect,but to befriend a Muslim neighbour(where we have no choice)usually could not affect them to reflect upon there
core beliefs.

There solemnity is close to animal like especially,when it comes from christiandom.
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Let me see if I understand this correctly. We “all Christians” I’m assuming you mean. Should get use to Muslim World Order.? Am I understanding this right?

You have to expand on exactly what Muslim World Order your talking about?

I assume its getting pretty bad there in England from hearing inside your voice. I feel you.

My Prayers are with you. Gary
 
GaryTaylor said:
Of course there nuts out here. The country is 75% christian. How is the Arian Brotherhood Christian? Who thinks Nazi Germany is cool? There are misguided people. The KKK from the last century.?

You using a loose artical from Wikipedia and you could Read what Homeland Security just stated on the News a week ago.

And when we have a problem with nuts running around we correct it. Isn’t that what we do? We don’t enable it thats for sure.
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So why do you consider The Nation of Islam and the Five Percent Nation, Islam?
 
jam070406 said:
So, you oppose any sort of just war theory that was used at the time? As Muslims murdered, destroyed and almost consumed all of Europe? Was St. Francis wrong? Was Aquinas wrong? Was Pius V wrong? Let me guess, now you will bridge that into saying that us that oppose Islam are no better then crusaders?
It was a different time and liberals will always use the ploy you’re doing to guilt Catholics that oppose Islam and speak Truth.
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Nope, I support the Just War Theory. I’m just not sure the crusades, or at least most of them, fall under the theory. But, as you say, it was a different time. I’m more concerned about those who would blanket all Muslims with the terrorist acts of extremists who claim to act in the name of Islam and deprive them of their rights in our day and age. I’m more concerned about those who would institute pogroms against Muslims in our communities and claim they’re acting in the name of Christ to protect Christianity. I’m not a liberal. I’m believe the Constitution of the United States should be interpreted conservatively. All people have rights under our system of government and they can’t be deprived of those rights because of their religious beliefs or because of what some do in the name of that religious belief.
 
crazzeto said:
There I go again rejecting Sheria law, the very tool used by people such as those Ethiopian Muslims to oppress it’s citizenry. Did you know that pre-war afghanistan was guided by Sheria? All those tribal regions in Pakistan where women are oppress brutally, and Christians are murdered via being set on fire. Where all this behaviour is not just tolorated but encouraged.

Beleive it or not, I’ve spent a good while studying Islam. I’m not some nieve person who doesn’t know what it is and there for doesn’t like it. I know what I don’t like about Islam, and I don’t want it here. Period. Muslims individually? Whole nother matter, I know many and I like all muslims I have personally met. These are the so called “moderates”, or to be qutie frank those who don’t take their faith quite as seriously as one ought to.
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Nope, I don’t believe you’ve spent a good while stuyding Islam . . . at least nor formally. I find it odd that you would say that Muslims are fine, individually, but not their faith. How is a person a Muslim if he doesn’t come with his faith? “You can come to America, you Muslims, just leave your religious beliefs at home. Don’t take your faith seriously and you’re welcomed here!” That, my friend, is bigotry! It’s the same garbage that Catholics and Jews heard in the 1800’s when they came to America’s shores. It didn’t wash then and it doesn’t wash now.
 
Bwtby said:
So why do you consider The Nation of Islam and the Five Percent Nation, Islam?
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I think you have this mixed up. I don’t believe there is a Nation of Islam anymore or 5%. I believe its just Islamic now. In the 90’s as I clearly explained to you this was true. But also as the 2010 link I posted for you of Malcom X’s old Mosque in Harlem states, its Sunni Islamic? As I showed you in the link.

I’m postive they would be offended by your accusation they are not Sunni Islamic. And most definately by challenging their belief system in the Islamic Faith. I know your not saying that because they are by majority Black they are not Islamic? So what are you saying?

As the Lenox Ave Mosque in Harlem most definately states SUNNI. And you see what the members who actually attend their are saying, right?

Do you know something the rest of us don’t? Do tell. Now the way your talking actually does sound like some sort of Bigotry of Islam against Islam.

Maybe you know more than your leading on to? Care to expand instead of with one line posts which seem very contrary to Truth?
 
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Tsuwano:
What does Sharia Law have to do with the Islamic Faith in regards to its compatibility with the US Constitution? Never mind the fact that it cannot even accurately define its own group’s which do promote violence. We’ll put the violence aside a moment.

Your wrong as far as the legal system in the US and what took us a few centurys to evolve to. Never mind the fact that Sharia Law is incompatible with the Constitution and seperation of Church and State.

The very slavery we took a century to free ourselves from you would like to return to? What are you saying?

Are you saying Athieism and Secularism can’t be allowed to exist in America? Maybe I"m missing your point. How can you possible institute Sharia Law into the US Constitution and remain a country of seperation of Church and State? There can be no Sharia Law in just parts of the USA or modified by the Constitution to be campatible to it. Matter of fact most of us who have been following the abomination of the Constitution since Regan are pretty tired of it being trampled on. And this election is going to change that I’m positive.

First, by definition, Sharia law is “strict” Islamic law. It is designed to guide devout Muslims in their personal and professional dealings, and has been used by the Taliban and others to justify limits on women’s rights and harsh punishments, including amputation and stoning. Basically its slavery. Which we abolished here in the USA with the death of over 600 Thousand Americans killing Americans in the Civil War.

It is not compatible with the the US Constitution. The majority of us in the US want to go back to the US Constitution. Not once again futher away. Apparently the only one not seeing this is but a couple poster here.

Should we now let the UN dicate our lifes in the US and what Wars we go to? Why are we in Libya? Because the Constitution was trampled once again. Your misguided and trying to be fair. And thats fine. But you completely miss the points.

So should we move foward now or enter another era of primitive man and ignorance?

Islam cannot even define its own reality in relation to reason, tolerance and how that relates to escalated violence. We need to slow down give Islam time to evolve into the modern world and move foward at the same time with our Civil World. Not backwards.

Conservative is moving fast IMHO.

God Bless, Gary
 
I do understand this. What I see is a melting pot which blends all into the Islamic way of life. Many are those who just want to get away from the radical beliefs. Nonetheless there is not a great seperation like is being presented and suggested. It doesn’t exist, its a falacy and an image. Yes there are those who follow an abberative thought process. But not the majority. The majority blends into Islam. And now that its targeted even to a larger degree.

And you can see that at the NYC Lenox Ave Mosque which I posted and is aligned with Sunni Islamic teaching now. There its own menbers posting don’t knwo what to say about is. Some say Nation of Islam, some say thats ridiculous. Its Sunni Islamic

Of course Louis is nuts and doesn’t care what anyone thinks. But thats a small representation of the fruits the Nation of Islam produces and is Islamic. Hey many walk away altogether after brief encounters with the Nation of Islam. But all its members from the Department of Correction Federal and State start in line with Islam period. And there is only one mosque in every institution. Goverment and State approved. Outside the mosque all follow whoever is running the particular area who’s authority is never disputed.

So the process continues in both directions, but now to the largest degree in mainstream Islam because of the Issues with the Nation of Islam. I see it as a thing of the past. Its held on since I worked there 10 years ago, and frankly I’m surpized. But it was pretty much melting then as I stated.

Of course I understand the nation of islam I’ve worked with them and know many of them.

God Bless, Gary
 
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