Muslim converts to Christianity

[planten]

Jesus sent the Paraclete to give birth to his Church on the foundation of the apostles and to guide her in all truth until the end of the age. Our Lord never mentioned that there would be someone coming after him to found a new religion. In fact he warned us of false prophets who would come after him. The Old Testament points to the Messiah who will establish a New Covenant between God and his people. Divine revelation is completed in the divine Person Jesus Christ and stops there. But it continues to unfold and manifest itself more explicitly in the life and teachings of the Catholic Church by the activity of the Holy Spirit.

PAX
Good Fella

**Sorry, church cannot be a bride. Paraclete was not to give any birth, and that to a church is taking too much liberty in religion. It could not be allowed. Already the christians have many metaphors which they start with and later try to take literal meanings.

There is a son of God (Jesus) and a Father of God (The God) and the mother of God (Mary). Why try to create complications and then running around explaining things. Nobody will understand the language which is being used. There is a begotten business too difficult to explain. Why not talk in real terms. Or say that church is talking in spiritual terms. Then every one will believe it.

When Jesus said that some one will come, will lead you into all truth. he shall hear and he shall speak. Tell me is that church hearing and speaking?? I am sorry I could not agree to you. BUt you have it your way. Please yourself with your ideas for a short while. **

 

[inJESUS]

You know some Muslims have problem understanding non-literal words and you keep bombarding them with spiritual explanations and terminologies? just like Muhammad, when you tell a Muslim “son” he immediately thinks about married couple…so it’s time to know that unless you use wordly terminologies, many Muslims won’t get it.

 

[planten]

Salaam/peace;

holy Spirit was already there even before Jesus (p) was born , Christans am I right ?

During the time of Jesus (p) , people were were looking for ’ That Prophet ’ . I wonder , why Christans don’t think about this . Ok , if **that Prophet is not Muhammed (p) , who is he ? ** Can’t be holy Spirit as he was already there .

Wonderful. That prophet had not arrived till the time of Jesus. That is proved by the first chapter of John. The Jews were looking for three persons namely, Elias, Messiah, That prophet. They could not find any of them.

Even later, Jesus never told the Jews that he was that Prophet (of Deut 18:18). But the present day christians are taking Jesus as that Prophet. We need a word of support from Jesus that he was That Prophet. But there will be none, as usual.

Always prophets have been coming in the world. The christians have landed a God amongst the men. That is a diversion.

Then when Jesus told his friends about the coming of a Comforter, they made it into holy Ghost. That is another major diversion. Because previously, only human messengers had been coming to the people for their guidance.But the church denied it all and changed it to the coming of a ghost. Quite interesting.

 

[dzheremi]

So many questions…here is one for you, Planten: Why should we abandon our Lord because you have problems understanding or believing in the Trinity? It is not your philosophy anyway, just as the Church is not your spiritual home, so where you get off saying that the Church is not listening to the teachings of Jesus is beyond me. You wouldn’t know either way.

 

[inJESUS]

Wonderful. That prophet had not arrived till the time of Jesus. That is proved by the first chapter of John. The Jews were looking for three persons namely, Elias, Messiah, That prophet. They could not find any of them.

whoever they supposed it was, it was an Israelite, hence not Muhammad. Next.

Even later, Jesus never told the Jews that he was that Prophet (of Deut 18:18). But the present day christians are taking Jesus as that Prophet. We need a word of support from Jesus that he was That Prophet. But there will be none, as usual.

 

[planten]

yes Allah couldn’t care less about the prophets’ teachings but when it came to Muhammad, he miraculously stopped the “corruptors” from “corrupting” the references about Muhammad…mashallah…

 

[inJESUS]

and that is part of what Allah “allowed” to be corrupted right? because both OT and NT oppose what you say.

But the last testament (Quran) is for all people for all time.

the last time i checked, all people are not Arabs.

Be happy.

about what? the childish version of a moody deity you are preaching? a deity you admit allowed corruption of everything yet miraculously and conveniently stepped in to defend the paragraphs supposedly related to muhammad who in turn oppose Muhammad if the whole paragraph is read? is that Allah’s wisdom?

 

[inJESUS]

the old law was to be followed by a new eternal covenant…we still have this old covenant to learn from and understand it’s fulfillment…Alllah did not “corrupt” it for us just because “there is a new covenant”…on the contrary…we have both OT and NT…while you have nothing so you have no choice but to insult God with characteritics that do not fit his holiness and omnipotence…

 

[Silouan]

I don’t find scholars who agree with this position of Ibn Mas’ud,

Well, that is a good thing that you don’t find scholars that agree with you on the Ibn Masud point. If they did they would be incorrect. Al Albani was wrong.

I brought it up however to make a point. A point which was apparently lost on you, as you attempted to demonstrate some knowledge of fiqh instead.

You are right, you lost me, could to please illustrate this point,.

You may refer to ‘Muslim Woman’s’ answer to the same question, as she had a nice succinct reply on that point.

In regards to Muslim Woman’s reply, she doesn’t have a point. Because she isn’t arguing the same points that I am arguing.

Let’s analyze what she said,

Muslims believe that on the Last Day , Prophet
Muhammed (p) will request Allah to forgive many sinners…how this can be compared with making statues of saints , bow down & pray directly to them ?

And she was replying to:

Actually, in Islam saying oh Muhammad, oh Rasullah, while seeking the intercession through Muhammad and the Awilya, is considered permissible according to many great Islamic scholars.

What did her reply have to do with my statement??? How do you even respond to something not even related. Please show me how her response relates to my statement.

I am talking about intercession in Islam, and she is talking about making statues, bowing down to them and praying to them. Two different subjects.

She also said,

so ? It proves that we are asking Allah to send His mercy & blessings on the Prophet as Allah blessed Abraham (p) in the past .

No it doesn’t.

In Salat, at this particular point when a Muslim says, "“Peace be upon you Oh Prophet.” He is not asking Allah to send peace to the prophet, but rather the Muslim sending peace directly to the prophet and addressing him, Muhammad, as if he was alive and in front of him. saying, Oh Prophet.

Again she makes absolutely no sense.

Than she asked

Asking dead saints to pray now & ask God to bless a Prophet …eeeeeek these are same to u ?

What does this question mean exactly? It is completely unrelated to what I addressed.

It doesn’t make sense to say that Muhammad, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, did not leave “hadith.” I refer you to the Farewell Khutbah in which he said he left two things behind him, the Qur’an and his Sunnah.

Actually there are several different variants of this hadith of the farewell Khutbah. In one narration it say, Quran and Sunnah, in another narration it says, Quran and Ahlul Bayt. Both authentic hadith.

But to address the point that you are making. Hadith does not necessarily mean Sunnah. I know this is what you were taught. However, I am speaking from a much broader prespective, ie what all the scholars of Islam have stated about this issue.

Yes Muhammad left the Sunnah, but he did not leave hadith. Some of his sunnah was preserved in hadith and some of it was preserved in tradition or practice of the early Muslims (ie the Oral tradition) referred to in Maliki madhab as Amal. And there are other reasons why hadith does not necessarily mean sunnah.

Jesus left the Gospel (ie his sunnah), but he did not leave the New Testament. Some of his Gospel was preserved in the New Testament and some of his Gospel was preserved in trasdtion or in the practice of the early Christians, which the church refers to as tradition of the church fathers.

Honestly I don’t think you are grasping the concept of revelation at all.

Enlighten me.

The Holy Spirit belonged to Jesus, that he could leave it? Odd thing for you to say.

When Jesus was here on earth, He was the comforter, he was the means by which the disciples would receive direct knowedge from God. After Jesus’ departure, He said He would sent another comforter, (ie the Holy Spirit), and it is through the Holy Spirit, that the disciples and the church for that matter would receive direct knowledge from God.

We believe the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father, and Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to His followers.

I explained up above.

Muslims have access to God directly. They don’t have to go through Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, through saints, through priests, through anyone at all. Directly to God.

According the Quran, Muslims can have direct contact with Allah, for Allah says in the Quran, Have Taqwa and Allah will teach you.

Muslims do not have access to the Holy Spirit, and this is what makes one a prophet. While Christians do have access to the Holy Spirit. Muhammad had access to the Holy Spirit, which according to Islamic theologians, is the angel jibrail. If you study the life of Muhammad, he went through forty years of life before gaining full access to the Holy Spirit (Jibrial) and became a full fledge prophet. Without the Holy Spirit, according to the Muslim tradition, a muslim only has access to 1/5 of prophecy, and that is according to a hadith.

And in fact every human being has that opportunity–direct access to God. And God even sent a message to the whole of mankind. Who wouldn’t want to listen to that?

In the Christian tradition we believe man can have full access to God and attain the level of complete prophethood, while in the islamic tradition, this direct access is limited to only 1/5 of prophecy.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[Silouan]

** Sis Amy, you have given a perfectly correct reply to silouan. You reply is very gentle too. That person is mistaken, does not know the meaning of Prophet. If every one of the christians was a prophet then they should prophesize, tell something they received from their God. There is nothing they receive. In fact the church denies any revelation now. They have closed the door to all types of revelation.**

Every Christian is a prophet in that they have access to the Holy Spirit, which gives them direct contact to God the Father. This is something that was only limited to a small few before the time of Jesus. The Anointing and receiving the Holy Spirit, was only award to the priesthood before Jesus.

Every Christian is called to be a prophet, but every Christian is not at the level of a full prophet. Moses and Muhammad were called to be a prophet and did not attain the level of prophethood until the age of 40.

In order to attain the complete level of prophethood, one needs to purify his heart, **“Blessed are those who are pure in heart for they shall see God.” ** If the lens is dirty, then a person, will have a hard time receiving direct knowledge from God.

So In reality, every Christian is called to be a prophet, and every Christian has access to the Holy Spirit, but it take effort on our part to purify our hearts, to attain sinlessness.

Jesus never said that he was God. He never preached even a single day that he was God. He was never worshipped as a God.

 

[Angelos]

Not so. Please understand that Jesus told you all about the coming of the holy ghost or holy spirit. He said he had many things to say unto the people but the people could not bear it at that time. See all that in the John ch. 16 or 17.

He said, " Howbeit when the spirit of Truth is come, he shall guide you into all truth. For he shall not speak for himself but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak.

And he shall show you things to come…"

So what? Jesus also says that He will SEND the Spirit of truth to His apostles.

Do you believe that Jesus sent Mohammad to His followers? You cannot accept this possibility without believing in Jesus’ divinity.

It means the message and mission of Jesus was not complete and he went away. He gave the good news of some one to come after him to lead people to all truth. The christians call that Holy spirit. But holy spirit was already with Jesus and some disciples.

You deliberately ignore the fact in John’s Gospel that the Spirit of God did not descend on Jesus’ disciples until the day of Pentecost:

John 7:38-39 He that believeth in me, as the scripture saith: Out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. Now this he said of the Spirit which they should receive who believed in him: for as yet the Spirit was not given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Besides, Jesus’ farewell discourse makes it clear that the Holy Spirit will lead ONLY Jesus’ followers into all truth taught by Jesus. Thus, the Spirit will teach and guide Christians in Jesus’ truth, not anybody else’s!

John 16:13-14
But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth. For he shall not speak of himself: but what things soever he shall hear, he shall speak. And the things that are to come, he shall show you. He shall glorify me: because he shall receive of mine and shall show it to you.

At another place Jesus says " He shall give you another Parclete". It means one parclete is there already and God will give another Parclete.

Paraclete means comforter in Greek. Jesus comforted His apostles when He was in this world. This is why the Spirit to come is named “another” comforter that will comfort Jesus’ followers after the ascension (Jesus’ physical departure from our world).

John 15:26
But when the Paraclete cometh, whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceedeth from the Father, he shall give testimony of me.

Mohammad does not proceed from the Father! LOL

Please remember and tell if any one had seen the holy spirit walking about with Jesus?? No. The holy spirit was with Jesus and his disciples but nobody saw the holy spirit…

The Spirit is invisible unless He wants to choose visible means of manifestation. Jesus’ disciples could see the descent of the Spirit in form of fiery tongues on Pentecost.

Similarly, the holy spirit that is to come to lead people unto all truth will also be with some one. The spirit will not be hovering around in the air. We Muslims believe that the Holy spirit came upon Muhammad and gave all the messages. That is the angel Gabriel which is called the holy spirit in the Quran as Rooh ul Ameen.

I thought you Muslims believed that the Holy Spirit was angel Gabriel. Is Mohammad’s association with the Spirit of God your personal interpretation?

How many Spirits does your Koran have? It has Rooh descending with the angels, Rooh ul Kuds, and Rooh al Ameen. Very confusing indeed. No Muslim knows if these different spirits are different names of the same person.

The holy spirit that was told by Jesus had come true to Muhammad. But church denies it on various grounds. There is no excuse. If the holy spirit can visit Joseph the carpenter, it can visit the wife of Pilate, it can visit Jesus and his disciples then why it cannot come to Muhammad?

You seem at a loss now! Joseph was not visited by the Holy Spirit, but by an angel of the Lord. no verse in the NT even implies that the Holy Spirit is an angel. You should not confuse what your Muslim scholars teach about the Holy Spirit in the Koran with the written and clear facts in the New Testament!

Finally, I should ask you a question: If the Paraclete was Mohammad or related to him, why did Jesus promise to send Him ONLY to those believing in Jesus? Why did Jesus never promise or predict the coming of the Spirit in public?

 

[Silouan]

So what? Jesus also says that He will SEND the Spirit of truth to His apostles.

Do you believe that Jesus sent Mohammad to His followers? You cannot accept this possibility without believing in Jesus’ divinity.

Good point, If Jesus sent Muhammad, he would be the Messenger of Jesus.

You make alot of other good points as well.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[Angelos]

That is right. Just like the new testament came after the old testament, both of these were for the limited people (Israelis) and for the limited time only. The message of Moses was for that time. The message of Jesus was also for the time and not for the whole mankind.

But the last testament (Quran) is for all people for all time. It is clearly written and claimed in the Quran. Not some supposed thing. So it had to be preserved for ever. Allahgave all information about the previous good teachings also.Did not ignore them. Be happy.

This is a LIE! Mohammad’s message was NOT for the whole mankind, but only for his own folk!!

Surah 43:44
And lo! it is in truth a Reminder for thee and for thy folk; and ye will be questioned.

The Koran NOWHERE says that the former revelations will be corrupted because they are confined to a specific nation. On the contrary, it says that the former revelations MUST be preserved so that they can testify to the Koran.

Islamic lies are at the point of sickening me!

 

[Angelos]

Good point, If Jesus sent Muhammad, he would be the Messenger of Jesus.

You make alot of other good points as well.

In Christ,

Silouan

Thanks! Praise the Lord!!!

We must always defend the truth :grouphug:

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

whoever they supposed it was, it was an Israelite, hence not Muhammad. Next.

 

[Silouan]

Salaam/peace;
inJESUS;4084075:

ok , pl. let us know about that Prophet from Israel … what’s his name ?

The Prophet refers to Elijah. I understand the Muslim argument, but that is not how Christian understand, nor the Jews for that matter.

No, Jew or Christian for that matter is expecting a prophet from the line of Ishmael, even have been.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[planten]

Every Christian is a prophet in that they have access to the Holy Spirit, which gives them direct contact to God the Father. This is something that was only limited to a small few before the time of Jesus. The Anointing and receiving the Holy Spirit, was only award to the priesthood before Jesus.

Every Christian is called to be a prophet, but every Christian is not at the level of a full prophet. Moses and Muhammad were called to be a prophet and did not attain the level of prophethood until the age of 40.

In order to attain the complete level of prophethood, one needs to purify his heart, **“Blessed are those who are pure in heart for they shall see God.” ** If the lens is dirty, then a person, will have a hard time receiving direct knowledge from God.

So In reality, every Christian is called to be a prophet, and every Christian has access to the Holy Spirit, but it take effort on our part to purify our hearts, to attain sinlessness.

When I was muslim I use to believe that, but now that I am Christian and have read the Gospels of Jesus, there is no doubt that Jesus taught He was God, to be more specific, He taught He was the God of the Old Testament, the son of God, the word of God, but He never taught He was the Father, only that He and the Father were One, in separable.

Just as God and His Attributes are one, they are inseparable. God is not His Attributes but not other than His Attributes either. Jesus is not the Father, but He is not other than His Father either. They are one in essense.

Jesus said, “Before Abraham was I Am.” God said in the Old Testament, “I Am That I Am.”

Jesus is not the Father. Jesus is the Son of the Father. We as Christian, worship the One True God, the Father, who is eternally with His Word and His Spirit.

God’s Word, (His Speech) became Flesh, and this is Jesus.

In the Quran, when it says, "They disbelieve, those who say that God is Christ the Son of Mary."

If God here means the Father, than I as an Orthodox Christian agrees 100%. Because Jesus is not God the Father.

In Christ,

Silouan

**Your post is partially good. You have some good ideas. But please note that I would like to read those lines of the NT in which Jesus said that he was God. I feel that you will not find any. And please remain to the four Gospels only for the beginning of your effort.

Then you have to tell me that people were actually worshipping Jesus in his life time.

Please see the sentence "Before Abraham was I am’ It is a strange sentence, not clearly menaingful. Is that the way to prove that Jesus is God? No.

Also, “I am what I am”. Again this is another strange sentence. Could it not be done any better?? "I am what I am " will prove that Jesus is God. I won’t believe that.

From your statement it appears that Jesus is different to God the father. He is different and not so superior. And he may have a different body too. That is necessary because bible says Jesus is now sitting on the right hand side of God. So Jesus has to be separate from God, i.e. another god, a smaller god.

I wish you well in your new endevours.**

 

[Silouan]

Well, that is a good thing that you don’t find scholars that agree with you on the Ibn Masud point. If they did they would be incorrect. Al Albani was wrong.

You are right, you lost me, could to please illustrate this point,.

In regards to Muslim Woman’s reply, she doesn’t have a point. Because she isn’t arguing the same points that I am arguing.

Let’s analyze what she said,

And she was replying to:

What did her reply have to do with my statement??? How do you even respond to something not even related. Please show me how her response relates to my statement.

I am talking about intercession in Islam, and she is talking about making statues, bowing down to them and praying to them. Two different subjects.

She also said,

No it doesn’t.

In Salat, at this particular point when a Muslim says, "“Peace be upon you Oh Prophet.” He is not asking Allah to send peace to the prophet, but rather the Muslim sending peace directly to the prophet and addressing him, Muhammad, as if he was alive and in front of him. saying, Oh Prophet.

Again she makes absolutely no sense.

Than she asked

What does this question mean exactly? It is completely unrelated to what I addressed.

Actually there are several different variants of this hadith of the farewell Khutbah. In one narration it say, Quran and Sunnah, in another narration it says, Quran and Ahlul Bayt. Both authentic hadith.

But to address the point that you are making. Hadith does not necessarily mean Sunnah. I know this is what you were taught. However, I am speaking from a much broader prespective, ie what all the scholars of Islam have stated about this issue.

Yes Muhammad left the Sunnah, but he did not leave hadith. Some of his sunnah was preserved in hadith and some of it was preserved in tradition or practice of the early Muslims (ie the Oral tradition) referred to in Maliki madhab as Amal. And there are other reasons why hadith does not necessarily mean sunnah.

Jesus left the Gospel (ie his sunnah), but he did not leave the New Testament. Some of his Gospel was preserved in the New Testament and some of his Gospel was preserved in trasdtion or in the practice of the early Christians, which the church refers to as tradition of the church fathers.

Enlighten me.

When Jesus was here on earth, He was the comforter, he was the means by which the disciples would receive direct knowedge from God. After Jesus’ departure, He said He would sent another comforter, (ie the Holy Spirit), and it is through the Holy Spirit, that the disciples and the church for that matter would receive direct knowledge from God.

We believe the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father, and Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to His followers.

The Gospel was the message of Jesus, what he preached. But since you insist that he didn’t leave a book, why do you bother with the New Testament, seriously? If you want to follow his message, that’s one thing. But why this other --------?

 

[Angelos]

**Your post is partially good. You have some good ideas. But please note that I would like to read those lines of the NT in which Jesus said that he was God. I feel that you will not find any. And please remain to the four Gospels only for the beginning of your effort.

Then you have to tell me that people were actually worshipping Jesus in his life time.

Please see the sentence "Before Abraham was I am’ It is a strange sentence, not clearly menaingful. Is that the way to prove that Jesus is God? No.

Also, “I am what I am”. Again this is another strange sentence. Could it not be done any better?? "I am what I am " will prove that Jesus is God. I won’t believe that.

From your statement it appears that Jesus is different to God the father. He is different and not so superior. And he may have a different body too. That is necessary because bible says Jesus is now sitting on the right hand side of God. So Jesus has to be separate from God, i.e. another god, a smaller god.

I wish you well in your new endevours.**

You cannot understand what Jesus means because you have no idea about Judaism and the way God identifies Himself there.

You should read the Bible instead of trying to pervert its meaning.

You are no better than Mohammad’s scribes, who recorded in the Koran their mistaken presumptions about the Christian Trinity and strove to make their slanders pass as truth.

 

[Good_Fella]

**Your post is partially good. You have some good ideas. But please note that I would like to read those lines of the NT in which Jesus said that he was God. I feel that you will not find any. And please remain to the four Gospels only for the beginning of your effort.

Then you have to tell me that people were actually worshipping Jesus in his life time.

Please see the sentence "Before Abraham was I am’ It is a strange sentence, not clearly menaingful. Is that the way to prove that Jesus is God? No.

Also, “I am what I am”. Again this is another strange sentence. Could it not be done any better?? "I am what I am " will prove that Jesus is God. I won’t believe that.

From your statement it appears that Jesus is different to God the father. He is different and not so superior. And he may have a different body too. That is necessary because bible says Jesus is now sitting on the right hand side of God. So Jesus has to be separate from God, i.e. another god, a smaller god.

I wish you well in your new endevours.**

Jesus is not literally sitting next to a separate conscious entity. The language is figurative. We can draw an analogy between the Holy Trinity and the natural element H2o: God the Father: Ice, God the Son: Water, God the Holy Spirit: Steam. When each form is manifested, it is one aspect of three forms of H2o. Each aspect is consubstantial with each other comprising one and the same substance. With H2o the different aspects we perceive by the senses are the accidental properties of the same substance. So when we perceive a block of ice, for instance, water and steam are still there consubstantially united, although unperceived by the senses. In like manner when we think of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are consubstantially still there united with the Father; of the Son, the Father and Spirit are consubstantially still there united with the Son; of the Spirit, the Father and Son are consubstantially still there united with the Spirit: three distinct divine Persons (or forms) but one undivided God (or substance).

Hence, when we speak of the Son sitting at the right hand of the Father, we mean that the Son eternally generates from the Father co-existing with him consubstantially, the Spirit proceeding from the Father and the Son. The Father, Son, and Spirit form one entity of one single mind. Each Person of the Trinity has always co-existed together in one God, just like the three forms of H2o always co-exist together consubstantially despite the particular manifestations of its accidental properties. We have distinctions in relation of origins. Like each aspect of H2o, the divine Persons of the Trinity exist as one relative to one another: undivided distinction in a single unity.

If Jesus had existed before Abraham was born and after he died, then obviously Jesus was more than human when he dwelt among us.

In the beginning was the Word,
and the word was with God,
and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.

And the Word became flesh
and made his dwelling among us,
and we saw his glory,
the glory as of the Father’s only Son,
full of grace and truth.
John 1:1,14

Jesus was sentenced to death and crucified for claiming to be one with God the Father. The charge was ‘blasphemy’. His “I am” is how God identified himself to Moses: the verb ‘to be’.

God replied, “I am who am.” Then he added, “This is what you should tell the Israelites: I AM sent you.”
Exodus 3, 14

But Jesus was silent. Then the high priest said to him, “I order you to tell us under oath before the living God whether you are the Messiah, the Son of God.” Jesus said to him in reply, " I AM. But I tell you: From now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power and coming on the clouds of heaven ". Then the high priest tore his robes and said, "He has blasphemed! What further need have we of witnesses? You have now heard the blasphemy; what is your opinion? They said in reply, “He deserves to die.”
Matthew 26, 63-66

During his ministry Jesus claimed to have the power to forgive sins at the time he cured the paralytic. The elders were outraged by his remark and objected that only God can forgive sins. This incident paved the way for his eventual arrest and trial where our Lord had to face his accusers.

When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, " Courage, child, your sins are forgiven ". At that, some of the scribes said to themselves, “This man is blaspheming.”
Matthew 9, 2-3

On another occasion Peter acknowledged the divinity of Christ by the grace of God, for which understanding Jesus declared him blessed.

He said to them, " But who do you say that I am “? Simon Peter said in reply, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus said to him in reply, " Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father .”
Matthew 16, 15-17

After our Lord was arrested, tried, and executed, Thomas lost faith in the divinity of Christ. But his faith was restored when Jesus finally appeared to him after the resurrection and let Thomas touch him.The apostle’s response was: “My Lord and my God!” Jesus did not rebuke Thomas for reaffirming his belief in our Lord’s divinity. Rather he blessed everyone who believes in him - who believes in God without seeing him made visible.

Then he said to Thomas, " Put your finger here and see my hands, and bring your hand and put it into my side, and do not be unbelieving, but believe ." Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, " Have you come to believe because you have seen me (God)? Blessed are those who have not seen (God) and have believed ."
John 20, 27-29

They were overjoyed at seeing the star, and on entering the house they saw the child with Mary his mother. They prostrated themselves and worshipped him.
Matthew 2, 10-11

Can you tell us where in the Old and New Testaments we find a prophecy pointing to the coming of Mohammad, and the fulfillment of these two testaments in the prophet and Islam?


PAX
Good Fella